Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Further to what has written, the diagnosis of a mental health conditition generally requires as a minimum meeting the criteria set out in the DSMIV. The condition must be severe and have been evident for a period of 6 or more months. So trying to fake a condition one day for an interview will not work in general. But there is often some difficulty with diagnosis and rarely does it rely on the opinion of just one qualified person. For several years I was responsible as a psychologist for input in diagnosis for mental health and chronic pain patients. When required to appear in court as an expert witness each side would put up a case as to the degree of diability - it's a very arduous process. So when most people are given disability status it has been investigated thoroughly. Trouble getting disability status in welfare and education comes up frequently on the various mental health lists. Lawyers and Advocates seem to help when one runs into difficulties. Bea wrote > > This is not true. Not one word you have said about this subject is true. For one thing, if psychological tests are given, they have items built into them so a professional can tell if there is any faking. This is different from an interview with a psychiatrist, and also an interview by a psychologist will be different from one with a psychiatrist. I actually do mental health for a living. The interview you had for mental health effects of an amputation would be completely different from one designed to determine if a person otherwise physically healthy is mentally ill. It is not easy to fake mental illness at all. > > Dave Fales wrote:the thing is there is no thing saying if they have mental or not. those test > are easy to fake. I know when they did my ampuation I had to see a shrink > guy and I coudl tell from his queestion what type of ansers he would want to > here. so you anser them the way they want to ehre then and they say yep your > menlty ill. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Just one word for you Dave SPELLCHECKER Dave Fales wrote: > belive me I worked in a hsoitle has a m,etal helath tech. and those tests > don't take a genioues to fake. and i am not syaing evry one out there > wioth > a mental ilnes are fakes there a re a few out there tht do have mental > liness but also there are a lot fo fakes out there. > -- Lord, where we're wrong, make us willing to change; where we're right, make us easy to live with. Lynda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 At 06:53 PM 2/28/05, Dave Fales wrote: >I agree that it is very painfull but I know it don't stop me from working >ebcue I don't want to be like my mom were she is ina wheel chair from >atrhriotes and it is hr fault she just gave up. I feel and went into the >wheel chair becuse of lazyness. Perhaps as you age, Dave, you'll grow to understand what your mother went through because you'll have the chance to walk a mile in her shoes. You seem to feel that if YOU don't believe in something, or do something, or react in a certain way, then that is the only possible way for things to be. It's not. wake up. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 At 06:53 PM 2/28/05, Dave Fales wrote: >I agree that it is very painfull but I know it don't stop me from working >ebcue I don't want to be like my mom were she is ina wheel chair from >atrhriotes and it is hr fault she just gave up. I feel and went into the >wheel chair becuse of lazyness. Perhaps as you age, Dave, you'll grow to understand what your mother went through because you'll have the chance to walk a mile in her shoes. You seem to feel that if YOU don't believe in something, or do something, or react in a certain way, then that is the only possible way for things to be. It's not. wake up. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 well i have lived with her and she chose to go ijntot eh wheel chair. > >Reply-To: diabetes_int >To: diabetes_int >Subject: Re: Re: disability >Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:08:39 -0500 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 well i have lived with her and she chose to go ijntot eh wheel chair. > >Reply-To: diabetes_int >To: diabetes_int >Subject: Re: Re: disability >Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:08:39 -0500 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 --- Helen Mueller wrote: > , one of the hardest realities Joe had to > face about going on > disability is losing the ability to use his body to > make an income. He > also got use to a steady income, money to spare and > a certain lifestyle > that will not be possible on disability. And he > truly enjoyed his work. > > Joe has had at least four surgeries on each knee and > now is facing knee > replacement surgery at the age of 53. Maybe he will > be one of the lucky > ones and be able to return to work in a couple of > years. > > It isn't a case of learning to live with the pain; > his pain is so bad > the stress and life changes have made him diabetic, > he takes 320mg of > oxycontin daily and still has virtually no quality > to his life. Any > exertion leads to a need for more medication. The > medication interferes > with his ability to think and makes working with > tools and electricity > too dangerous to consider. Plus he sleeps about 12 > hours a day. > > I am not looking forward to the time when he will > need to wean off the > medication in preparation for surgery. > > Helen Normally, I cut out portions of posts that aren't relevant to what I want to reply to but this time the entire post is relevant. Losing 1/2 to 3/4 of your current income is NO picnic to anyone and that is what going on SSD/SSDI amounts to. And you never truly *learn to live with the pain*, whoever says that hasn't done it. Or they are fooling themselves. Most pain meds interfere with your thinking ability and make you feel like you are living in a fog. And if you can manage to not be sleepy, you are doing REALLY good. Helen, I hope Joe does well with his next surgery. Please let us know how he does. Liz ===== Type II, dx'ed Dec 1998, insulin since 6/02(my choice), pumping since 8/03. On glucophage, and other meds. Have neuropathy, PCOS, RLS, ET, Fibro, and asthma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 At 09:50 AM 3/1/05, Ramsey wrote: >And you never truly *learn to live with the pain*, >whoever says that hasn't done it. Or they are fooling >themselves. Most pain meds interfere with your >thinking ability and make you feel like you are living >in a fog. And if you can manage to not be sleepy, you >are doing REALLY good. So many of you have such a load of ka-rap to deal with. I don't think I could deal with what life has dished out to you. Your courage is inspiring and gives me perspective when I feel like fussing my little problems. I'm sending out hugs and good energy to all of you. I wish I could take some of your concerns away. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 You know what is funny? I have had a thyroid disorder since preschool, I have rheumatoid arthritis and probably fibromyalgia, a hiatal hernia, migraines, etc. I don't have diabetes...yet...but I have some food allergies and process carbohydrates really badly. But, when people say to me, " I don't know how you deal with it, " etc., it's hard to see what they mean. It is just my reality that I live with. I don't know if I'd know any other way. It is nice, though, when someone " gets it " and doesn't just make accusations, chalk all your problems up to bad habits, retribution from God, or some other fault. Sky wrote:So many of you have such a load of ka-rap to deal with. I don't think I could deal with what life has dished out to you. Your courage is inspiring and gives me perspective when I feel like fussing my little problems. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 I agree, if it is all you know, if it is what you have lived with, you can usually adapt, somehow. Always had vision probs one way or another, in fact, till I was five and got glasses, I thought everyone saw like I did! I will say looking at a christmas tree without glasses is a treat. It is so beautiful with the fuzzy/blurry balls shining! Some of the problems can be dealt with, with humor. I have the most awful sense of humor sometimes, but no matter how freaked out folks get, or grossed out or whatever, I tell them, it helps keep me alive and caring and thankful. Pain is rough. I had no insurance for ten years. Had a Pilonoidal cyst on tailbone...actually three! chronic horrible pain two to three weeks outta the month at the end. I would just sit and cry sometimes. O man, I have never looked forward to surgery like i did then...needles? Who cares! make me a pin cushion, just stop the pain. O yeah! Diabetes is a different challenge. I love food. Food doesn't love me any more! OMG, unrequited love is hell!!!! Soooo, now I gotta find other ways to reward myself, other ways to be happy...not the quick fix that food gave. (It's a good thing actually. I am learning to cook healthy stuff.) For every bad thing we have, there is something good, no matter how small, that we get to help us deal. For every fault, there is a blessing, maybe humor, or appreciating beauty or encouragement of others...everyone has something special, and don't have to only be recognized by their illnesses. They can be recognized by who they are, and it's like unwrapping a present, when you look beyond a person's physical etc and see the cool stuff that maybe illness or whatever hides. Don't mind me, I'm an optimistic pessimist! Tam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Dave writes: well I have lived with her and she chose to go ijntot eh wheelchair. Has it ever occurred to you your mother has more problems that being in a wheelchair, on of them being you yourself and your neurotic pessissimistic negative attitude. It would be very depressing to live under the same roof with a person with your outlook on life and people. Not every one is out for an easy buck and to beat the system. You should look around and find some happy people to observe and learn from. Why is an adult healthy man living at home with mommie anyway? Bev ouija Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 I thought everyone saw like I did, too, so it wasn't discovered that I needed glasses until I was in the fourth grade. I am nearsighted and have astigmatism. I know what you mean about what a Christmas tree looks like without glasses. The same goes for Christmas lights on streets; it's a spectacular sight. I have a genetic eye disease called Fuchs' corneal dystrophy, which causes all lights at night when I'm driving to be gigantic starbursts. This is WITH glasses, too. It really makes it hard to see how to drive at night. When I'm not driving and take off my glasses, it's another spectacular sight to have the starbursts go all blurry. I wish I could paint a picture of this. Sue > Always had vision probs one way or another, in fact, till I was five > and got glasses, I thought everyone saw like I did! I will say looking > at a christmas tree without glasses is a treat. It is so beautiful > with the fuzzy/blurry balls shining! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Beautifully said Tam - thanks for sharing Barb in NH For every bad thing we have, there is something good, no matter how small, that we get to help us deal. For every fault, there is a blessing, maybe humor, or appreciating beauty or encouragement of others...everyone has something special, and don't have to only be recognized by their illnesses. They can be recognized by who they are, and it's like unwrapping a present, when you look beyond a person's physical etc and see the cool stuff that maybe illness or whatever hides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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