Re: Re: Effective supplements/cures

[Guest guest]

Thanks Vicki for the heads up. Mr. Crow's post now makes sense, to me.

On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 06:35:05 -0800 " whimsy2 " writes:

>

> The reason for that, Alan, is because the poster, Duncan Crow, is

> essentially an alternative medicine pill pusher. (If you doubt this,

> go to the websites he refers you to.) He is not a diabetic but

> continues to remain on this list because he words his posts very

carefully.

> However, our Loyal Leader, Rick, keeps a pretty tight watch on him.

> Vicki

>

> Re: Effective supplements/cures

>

>

> >

> >

> > Hi All

> >

> > I've been reading the list of alternative cures with mounting

> > fascination and incredulity.

> >

> > It would be nice if some of the posters could provide some hard

> > evidence. Either specific personal anecdotes, or checkable

> references

> > to scientific studies by recognised research bodies not part of,

> or

> > allied to, a sales organisation.

> >

> > I don't want to fan the flames, but:

> > " Metabolic syndrome can be reversed with a handful of amino acid

> > supplements every day. "

> > " Colds are minimized and sometimes cured outright with colloidal

> > silver. "

> > Among many other definite statements of " fact " .

> >

> > Come on. Please. Reality check time. At least add something like

> " I

> > believe " or " it's my opinion " somewhere in the text.

> >

> > Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.

> > --

> > Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Vicki for the heads up. Mr. Crow's post now makes sense, to me.

On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 06:35:05 -0800 " whimsy2 " writes:

>

> The reason for that, Alan, is because the poster, Duncan Crow, is

> essentially an alternative medicine pill pusher. (If you doubt this,

> go to the websites he refers you to.) He is not a diabetic but

> continues to remain on this list because he words his posts very

carefully.

> However, our Loyal Leader, Rick, keeps a pretty tight watch on him.

> Vicki

>

> Re: Effective supplements/cures

>

>

> >

> >

> > Hi All

> >

> > I've been reading the list of alternative cures with mounting

> > fascination and incredulity.

> >

> > It would be nice if some of the posters could provide some hard

> > evidence. Either specific personal anecdotes, or checkable

> references

> > to scientific studies by recognised research bodies not part of,

> or

> > allied to, a sales organisation.

> >

> > I don't want to fan the flames, but:

> > " Metabolic syndrome can be reversed with a handful of amino acid

> > supplements every day. "

> > " Colds are minimized and sometimes cured outright with colloidal

> > silver. "

> > Among many other definite statements of " fact " .

> >

> > Come on. Please. Reality check time. At least add something like

> " I

> > believe " or " it's my opinion " somewhere in the text.

> >

> > Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.

> > --

> > Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

>

[Guest guest]

[Alan in Australia, searching for justification of the statements]

> " Metabolic syndrome can be reversed with a handful of amino acid

> supplements every day. "

Hi Alan,

Here are some of the studies that justify the general approach of HGH

increase:

http://members.shaw.ca/patriciagilbert/HGH_deficiency_medline.html

Once you get into PubMed and enter ( " metabolic syndrome " OR " syndrome

x " ) AND ( " growth hormone " OR HGH) you'll see that there are lots and

lots of studis along this line. Most that rversed metabolic syndrome

used HGH shots, which are expensive. In Canada we seldom use HGH

injections; we use amino acids to increase HGH naturally.

Doctors who run longevity clinics discuss the amino acids method at

length in many audio archives. You might have to email me for the

link to the archives on one of my websites. Please put something I'll

notice in the subject line.

> " Colds are minimized and sometimes cured outright with colloidal

> silver. "

Personal practice indicates it also stops the flu and drug-resistant

infections too (after the clients were sent home from the hospital to

die). There is a fair amount of data from a lot of people, some

universities, and of course the power of silver as a germ killer has

been known long enough that it's also used in OTC bandages and

prescription salves, and silver is also used by the US military. It's

only APPROVED for external use though.

Start here, in the silver community:

http://silverlist.org

> Come on. Please. Reality check time. At least add something like " I

> believe " or " it's my opinion " somewhere in the text.

I believe you'll find what you're looking for if you search ...in

my opinion it isn't that hard to search the medical archives; you

just don't find much of that information on thishere list. The

yahoogroup oxyplus will be very useful. Fill yer boots.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

You can also have anemia from autoimmune disease. Autoimmune thyroid disorder

and rheumatoid arthritis are commonly associated with anemia. Something about

inflammation does it, as do absorption problems...even if you are taking iron

and losing no blood from any other source, you don't absorb the iron.

In a message dated 3/7/05 10:36:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, DEKEP@...

writes:

>

>On another matter, I'm doing some investigation into iron deficient anemia.

>The work is for a family member. My initial readings indicate that iron

>deficiency is almost always caused by blood loss. I wonder if you have any

ideas to

>share on that?

>>>>>>>>>>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Regarding the ideas concerning supplements, some of them take time to

manifest improvements. In that regard, I'm wondering how long experimenters have

been

drinking red wine. My own experiments with red wine did not show what I would

call significant stable improvements in HDL, until after about 18 months.

[Guest guest]

Regarding the ideas concerning supplements, some of them take time to

manifest improvements. In that regard, I'm wondering how long experimenters have

been

drinking red wine. My own experiments with red wine did not show what I would

call significant stable improvements in HDL, until after about 18 months.

[Guest guest]

Stacey, they can do a sedimentation test to start with. Tho that will

not necessarily pinpoint RA, it is a place to start. The sed test is a

blood test.

You will need a rheumatologist who should also be able to tell what's

happening with a physical examination; his experience being a diagnostic

tool.

Helen

[Guest guest]

,

There is no one test for rheumatoid arthritis. Here is a site that

explains the blood tests that are usually given to help diagnose it:

http://my.webmd.com/hw/rheumatoid_arthritis/aa19534.asp

The tests include RF (rheumatoid factor) ASR (sedimentation rate),

C-reactive protein, and others. RA is sometimes difficult to diagnose,

and many people don't get a diagnosis for several years. I was

mis-diagnosed only once, because it was pretty much Slam, bam, thank

you, Mam. I mean it came on suddenly and strong. Autoimmune diseases do

have a genetic component. I certainly hope you don't have it, because

it is a terrible disease.

Sue

On Monday, March 7, 2005, at 03:02 PM, staceypmartin@... wrote:

> I didn't know this. My uncle has rheumatoid arthritus, and I've been

> having

> lots of pain lately in my joints. Is there a test for rheumatoid

> arthritus?

[Guest guest]

There is a test for rheumatoid arthritis...they look for rheumatoid factor in

the blood. Also, there are tests for antibodies that can be done. There is

also a set of very specific symptoms for rheumatoid arthritis. These include:

Stiffness (especially in the morning); " gelling, " which refers to stiffness

after sitting for a while, like through a movie; joint swelling and pain,

especially symmetrical joint swelling...in RA one joint tends to get inflamed,

then the corresponding joint on the other side of the body will swell the next

day; fatigue. I have always had a high pain threshold (for example, having

dental work, fillings, done without anesthetic) and I found the amount of pain

generated by RA to be just unbelievable in severity. 15-20 on a scale of 1-10.

staceypmartin@... wrote:I didn't know this. My uncle has rheumatoid

arthritus, and I've been having

lots of pain lately in my joints. Is there a test for rheumatoid arthritus?

I was tested in October for thyroid stuff and was told everything was fine.

Stacey

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[Guest guest]

There is a test for rheumatoid arthritis...they look for rheumatoid factor in

the blood. Also, there are tests for antibodies that can be done. There is

also a set of very specific symptoms for rheumatoid arthritis. These include:

Stiffness (especially in the morning); " gelling, " which refers to stiffness

after sitting for a while, like through a movie; joint swelling and pain,

especially symmetrical joint swelling...in RA one joint tends to get inflamed,

then the corresponding joint on the other side of the body will swell the next

day; fatigue. I have always had a high pain threshold (for example, having

dental work, fillings, done without anesthetic) and I found the amount of pain

generated by RA to be just unbelievable in severity. 15-20 on a scale of 1-10.

staceypmartin@... wrote:I didn't know this. My uncle has rheumatoid

arthritus, and I've been having

lots of pain lately in my joints. Is there a test for rheumatoid arthritus?

I was tested in October for thyroid stuff and was told everything was fine.

Stacey

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[Guest guest]

There is a test for rheumatoid arthritis...they look for rheumatoid factor in

the blood. Also, there are tests for antibodies that can be done. There is

also a set of very specific symptoms for rheumatoid arthritis. These include:

Stiffness (especially in the morning); " gelling, " which refers to stiffness

after sitting for a while, like through a movie; joint swelling and pain,

especially symmetrical joint swelling...in RA one joint tends to get inflamed,

then the corresponding joint on the other side of the body will swell the next

day; fatigue. I have always had a high pain threshold (for example, having

dental work, fillings, done without anesthetic) and I found the amount of pain

generated by RA to be just unbelievable in severity. 15-20 on a scale of 1-10.

staceypmartin@... wrote:I didn't know this. My uncle has rheumatoid

arthritus, and I've been having

lots of pain lately in my joints. Is there a test for rheumatoid arthritus?

I was tested in October for thyroid stuff and was told everything was fine.

Stacey

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[Guest guest]

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:26:41 -0000 " Alan " writes:

>

>

> Hi Duncan

> And, if Vicki is correct and you are not a diabetic or a doctor,

> why

> are you here?

>

Ooh, ooh, I know the answer to this one. Duncan is here because he wants

to take your money.

So buyer beware

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:26:41 -0000 " Alan " writes:

>

>

> Hi Duncan

> And, if Vicki is correct and you are not a diabetic or a doctor,

> why

> are you here?

>

Ooh, ooh, I know the answer to this one. Duncan is here because he wants

to take your money.

So buyer beware

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:26:41 -0000 " Alan " writes:

>

>

> Hi Duncan

> And, if Vicki is correct and you are not a diabetic or a doctor,

> why

> are you here?

>

Ooh, ooh, I know the answer to this one. Duncan is here because he wants

to take your money.

So buyer beware

[Guest guest]

Not everyone with RA has a positive rheumatoid factor; about 80% do.

Some other diseases also cause a positive RF, and some normal people

have a positive RF. This is why RA can be very difficult to diagnose. A

C-reactive protein test can tell if there is inflammation in the body,

but not what caused it.

My pain was also unbelievable in severity before I got relief. If

diabetes caused that much pain in the early stages, people would not

ignore it and live in denial.

Sue

>

> There is a test for rheumatoid arthritis...they look for rheumatoid

> factor in the blood. Also, there are tests for antibodies that can be

> done. There is also a set of very specific symptoms for rheumatoid

> arthritis. These include: Stiffness (especially in the morning);

> " gelling, " which refers to stiffness after sitting for a while, like

> through a movie; joint swelling and pain, especially symmetrical joint

> swelling...in RA one joint tends to get inflamed, then the

> corresponding joint on the other side of the body will swell the next

> day; fatigue. I have always had a high pain threshold (for example,

> having dental work, fillings, done without anesthetic) and I found the

> amount of pain generated by RA to be just unbelievable in severity.

> 15-20 on a scale of 1-10.

[Guest guest]

Not everyone with RA has a positive rheumatoid factor; about 80% do.

Some other diseases also cause a positive RF, and some normal people

have a positive RF. This is why RA can be very difficult to diagnose. A

C-reactive protein test can tell if there is inflammation in the body,

but not what caused it.

My pain was also unbelievable in severity before I got relief. If

diabetes caused that much pain in the early stages, people would not

ignore it and live in denial.

Sue

>

> There is a test for rheumatoid arthritis...they look for rheumatoid

> factor in the blood. Also, there are tests for antibodies that can be

> done. There is also a set of very specific symptoms for rheumatoid

> arthritis. These include: Stiffness (especially in the morning);

> " gelling, " which refers to stiffness after sitting for a while, like

> through a movie; joint swelling and pain, especially symmetrical joint

> swelling...in RA one joint tends to get inflamed, then the

> corresponding joint on the other side of the body will swell the next

> day; fatigue. I have always had a high pain threshold (for example,

> having dental work, fillings, done without anesthetic) and I found the

> amount of pain generated by RA to be just unbelievable in severity.

> 15-20 on a scale of 1-10.

[Guest guest]

It's the reservatrol from red grape skins found in some, but not all wines.

Variety seems to matter a great deal - some, not all, pinot noir has been found

to have high amounts. Just any red plonk won't do.

It impacts bg, but seems to have other positive effects.

Charlie

Re: Re: Effective supplements/cures

Regarding the ideas concerning supplements, some of them take time to

manifest improvements. In that regard, I'm wondering how long experimenters

have been

drinking red wine. My own experiments with red wine did not show what I would

call significant stable improvements in HDL, until after about 18 months.

[Guest guest]

It's the reservatrol from red grape skins found in some, but not all wines.

Variety seems to matter a great deal - some, not all, pinot noir has been found

to have high amounts. Just any red plonk won't do.

It impacts bg, but seems to have other positive effects.

Charlie

Re: Re: Effective supplements/cures

Regarding the ideas concerning supplements, some of them take time to

manifest improvements. In that regard, I'm wondering how long experimenters

have been

drinking red wine. My own experiments with red wine did not show what I would

call significant stable improvements in HDL, until after about 18 months.

[Guest guest]

It's the reservatrol from red grape skins found in some, but not all wines.

Variety seems to matter a great deal - some, not all, pinot noir has been found

to have high amounts. Just any red plonk won't do.

It impacts bg, but seems to have other positive effects.

Charlie

Re: Re: Effective supplements/cures

Regarding the ideas concerning supplements, some of them take time to

manifest improvements. In that regard, I'm wondering how long experimenters

have been

drinking red wine. My own experiments with red wine did not show what I would

call significant stable improvements in HDL, until after about 18 months.

[Guest guest]

I had been drinking two buck chuck, the Trader Joe's wine, for about six

weeks and my HDL went up to 84 from the mid 70s. The doctor was

thrilled, but she wasn't the one drinking the wine.

Now I am bouncing around, finishing what was in the house.

Unfortunately, I am down to only whites, and they do nothing. Not even

lower bgs.

I think it is time to buy some new reds.

Helen

[Guest guest]

Doesn't almost every e-mail program have a Blocked Senders list? That is,

when you do not wish to see mail from a particular person, you can type

his/her name onto this list and the mail goes directly from the ISP to your

delete file. It is wonderful!

So, I keep Duncan's name Blocked and until someone mentions him, I do not

even know he has posted!

Jo, who has never been fond of snake oil.

Want to know what Memory of Monroe ie Rescue Does? Visit

http://memoryofmonroe.com/2004.htm and get ready to smile. Want to see

ie notecards? Visit http://www.ibdoggone.com/note_cards.htm

----- Original Message -----

> >

> >

> > Hi Duncan

>

> > And, if Vicki is correct and you are not a diabetic or a doctor,

> > why

> > are you here?

> >

> Ooh, ooh, I know the answer to this one. Duncan is here because he wants

> to take your money.

> So buyer beware

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can read and disregard Duncan's posts. But I'm concerned that some

newbies to the list may not realize that he's essentially here to sell

product and believe what he says. That's why I continue to speak up

whenever he posts anything.

Vicki

Re: Re: Effective supplements/cures

>

> Doesn't almost every e-mail program have a Blocked Senders list? That

> is,

> when you do not wish to see mail from a particular person, you can

> type

> his/her name onto this list and the mail goes directly from the ISP to

> your

> delete file. It is wonderful!

>

> So, I keep Duncan's name Blocked and until someone mentions him, I do

> not

> even know he has posted!

>

> Jo, who has never been fond of snake oil.

>

>

> Want to know what Memory of Monroe ie Rescue Does? Visit

> http://memoryofmonroe.com/2004.htm and get ready to smile. Want to see

> ie notecards? Visit http://www.ibdoggone.com/note_cards.htm

> ----- Original Message -----

>

>> >

>> >

>> > Hi Duncan

>>

>> > And, if Vicki is correct and you are not a diabetic or a doctor,

>> > why

>> > are you here?

>> >

>> Ooh, ooh, I know the answer to this one. Duncan is here because he

>> wants

>> to take your money.

>> So buyer beware

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I can read and disregard Duncan's posts. But I'm concerned that some

newbies to the list may not realize that he's essentially here to sell

product and believe what he says. That's why I continue to speak up

whenever he posts anything.

Vicki

Re: Re: Effective supplements/cures

>

> Doesn't almost every e-mail program have a Blocked Senders list? That

> is,

> when you do not wish to see mail from a particular person, you can

> type

> his/her name onto this list and the mail goes directly from the ISP to

> your

> delete file. It is wonderful!

>

> So, I keep Duncan's name Blocked and until someone mentions him, I do

> not

> even know he has posted!

>

> Jo, who has never been fond of snake oil.

>

>

> Want to know what Memory of Monroe ie Rescue Does? Visit

> http://memoryofmonroe.com/2004.htm and get ready to smile. Want to see

> ie notecards? Visit http://www.ibdoggone.com/note_cards.htm

> ----- Original Message -----

>

>> >

>> >

>> > Hi Duncan

>>

>> > And, if Vicki is correct and you are not a diabetic or a doctor,

>> > why

>> > are you here?

>> >

>> Ooh, ooh, I know the answer to this one. Duncan is here because he

>> wants

>> to take your money.

>> So buyer beware

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/05 8:25:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, DEKEP@...

writes:

>

>My own experiments with red wine did not show what I would

>call significant stable improvements in HDL, until after about 18 months

>>>>>>

I notice from one three month check to the next. In the summer I tend to

drink less red wine and less alcohol in general, and my August check showed my

HDL had gone down 16 pts from 56 to 40. As I increased the red wine consumption

in the fall, in November, HDL went back to 50. Am overdue for a check of it,

but expect it to have stayed the same or gone down because for whatever

reason, I've been drinking less wine lately.

Stacey

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/2005 11:04:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jlnhjm@... writes:

> Unfortunately, I am down to only whites, and they do nothing. Not even

> lower bgs

I would expect them to raise BGs.