Re: Re: Effective supplements/cures

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In a message dated 3/7/2005 11:04:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jlnhjm@... writes:

> Unfortunately, I am down to only whites, and they do nothing. Not even

> lower bgs

I would expect them to raise BGs.

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In a message dated 3/7/2005 11:04:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jlnhjm@... writes:

> Unfortunately, I am down to only whites, and they do nothing. Not even

> lower bgs

I would expect them to raise BGs.

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> I usually support what you say, Duncan, but indicating that

> " autoimmune disorders can be stopped with nutritional protocols " is

> incorrect and is a very irresponsible and damaging thing to say.

Knowing what we do about what the nutritional protocols can

accomplish, it would be irresponsible to not mention it periodically,

particularly whn nutritional protocold are good for you and not

damaging at all.

> There is some evidence that autoimmune disorders can be helped with

> nutritional protocols, but there is absolutely no SUBSTANTIATED

> evidence of any that have been stopped or cured with nutritional

> protocols.

First, let's not forget that only about 15% of medicine has been (or

could be) substantiated, according to an article in a peer-reviewed

journal, I think it was the Journal of the American Medical

Association.

I agree that there is similarly little published research to support

the notion that autoimmune disorders can be arrested, but that's a

whole lot different from what is being substantiated in the field.

I was first introduced to stopping an autoimmune disorder by couple

of the trauma nurses at Chemainus Hospital. I'm glad I didn't

prejudge their approach; instead, I investigated further and found

that their protocol had indeed produced recovery in rheumatoid

arthritis patients. I don't have access to their files but I talked

to a couple of the patients and they substantiated it verbally.

I have a client who was properly diagnosed with inclusion body

myositis after a few months of doctors and specialists visits and

biopsies. I followed an improved but similar protocol and the client,

who should have withered and died of this horrible, incurable

progressive deterioration almost three years ago, is gaining, and of

course his doctor is amazed at his recovery. Because the incurable

disorder is named for its symptoms and he no longer has the symptoms,

it has ben stopped. It is in no way dangerous, incorrect or

irresponsible to relay this information.

However, if we limited ourselves to what has been SUBSTANTIATED by

peer review, we, like the doctor, would have been limited to inaction

and our best case would have been that this fellow would be dead

today. I think the clients are happy enough that the only

substantiated cases of autoimmune disorders being stopped are their

own.

> People in the alternative medicine/supplement/herbalism field love to

> take shots at conventional medicine, but one thing we do see from

> formally educated and licensed practitioners is responsibility to the

> truth. You don't hear licensed health practitioners promising a cure

> from any medicine or treatment, because there is no way to guarantee

> what the human body will do with any one treatment.

Everyone's truth is a product of their frame of reference. About 80%

of the best medical research has never made it into the medical

textbooks, so the frame of reference for doing som things just

doesn't exist for doctors who rely solely on their medical training,

again, only 15% of which is substantiated.

Perhaps not every autoimmune disorder can be stopped but in fact

we've had five out of five successes between us, and there are many

more examples that one can uncover. See for example the ALS protocol

on the Life Extension Foundation website. Believing that there might

be something to it, I used a similar protocol to halt and partially

reverse the progress of the neurodgenerative disorders Alzheimer's

disease and Parkinson's Disease in four clients.

Duncan Crow

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> > And, if Vicki is correct and you are not a diabetic or a doctor,

> > why are you here?

>

> Ooh, ooh, I know the answer to this one. Duncan is here because he

> wants to take your money. So buyer beware

>

>

, that's a pretty weak argument. Who pays for your medicine

right now? Yourself or everybody else?

Let me explain something for you. When I found out from anti-aging

specialists, who also take money for a living (as doctors do), that

people with diabetes type II respond " particularly " well to certain

nutritional protocols, I got interested because more than a half-

dozen of my clients have type II. I joined the group to find out if

the rest of the world has kept abreast of biological innovation and

although I found out indeed some people do, most do not. By doing

nothing when something can be accomplished, they fail to reduce a

reducable burden on the rest of society/medical plan.

Duncan Crow

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>

> It would be nice if some of the posters could provide some hard

> evidence. Either specific personal anecdotes, or checkable references

> to scientific studies by recognised research bodies not part of, or

> allied to, a sales organisation.

>

From me (May):

> 1. Calendula flower infused in oil is extremely healing for cuts,

> scrapes, and burns. Even published clinical studies will tell you

> it's one of the best things to use for burns from radiation treatments

> for cancer. I made my own, and alternated it with aloe gel.

http://tinyurl.com/3w6nb

....and my and others' experiences.

> 2. Astragalus tincture, taken daily, will strengthen your immune

> system and keep you from catching everything that comes down the pike.

> I haven't been sick yet this year, though everyone around me seems to

> be catching stuff all the time.

http://tinyurl.com/4lnz9

http://tinyurl.com/4wlku

http://tinyurl.com/3uz5j

http://tinyurl.com/5bypy

http://tinyurl.com/5t9ze

>

> 3. If you do get sick, you should stop the astragalus and switch to

> echinacea...unless you're one of those people, like me, who doesn't

> respond to echinacea. I try to keep a bottle of the sugar-free

> Sambucol (Black elderberry syrup) on hand for these times. Both will

> stimulate killer T cells and the other parts of the immune system that

> fight infections. Once you've dealt with the acute infection, you can

> go back to the astragalus.

http://tinyurl.com/64vdl

http://tinyurl.com/57sel

May

[Guest guest]

>

> It would be nice if some of the posters could provide some hard

> evidence. Either specific personal anecdotes, or checkable references

> to scientific studies by recognised research bodies not part of, or

> allied to, a sales organisation.

>

From me (May):

> 1. Calendula flower infused in oil is extremely healing for cuts,

> scrapes, and burns. Even published clinical studies will tell you

> it's one of the best things to use for burns from radiation treatments

> for cancer. I made my own, and alternated it with aloe gel.

http://tinyurl.com/3w6nb

....and my and others' experiences.

> 2. Astragalus tincture, taken daily, will strengthen your immune

> system and keep you from catching everything that comes down the pike.

> I haven't been sick yet this year, though everyone around me seems to

> be catching stuff all the time.

http://tinyurl.com/4lnz9

http://tinyurl.com/4wlku

http://tinyurl.com/3uz5j

http://tinyurl.com/5bypy

http://tinyurl.com/5t9ze

>

> 3. If you do get sick, you should stop the astragalus and switch to

> echinacea...unless you're one of those people, like me, who doesn't

> respond to echinacea. I try to keep a bottle of the sugar-free

> Sambucol (Black elderberry syrup) on hand for these times. Both will

> stimulate killer T cells and the other parts of the immune system that

> fight infections. Once you've dealt with the acute infection, you can

> go back to the astragalus.

http://tinyurl.com/64vdl

http://tinyurl.com/57sel

May

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On 9 Mar 2005 03:42:35 -0000 " kcd (k.c. dillon) "

writes:

> >Helen,

> >

> >Isnt this the same guy that was on the other list. And we as a

> whole felt

> >he needed to be removed?? All he wanted to do was sell us what he

>

> >sells. And not only that but got very pushy when we said we didnt

> want

> >any. I could be wrong but I think this is the same person.

>

>

> yes, and i second that emotion...

>

> kcd

>

K. C. Helen was right, it was a different charlaton on the other list. I

can see how they can be confused with one another because it seems like

all the charletons have the same line/rheteric. Maybe they take a class

on how to take money from the unsuspecting.

[Guest guest]

On 9 Mar 2005 03:42:35 -0000 " kcd (k.c. dillon) "

writes:

> >Helen,

> >

> >Isnt this the same guy that was on the other list. And we as a

> whole felt

> >he needed to be removed?? All he wanted to do was sell us what he

>

> >sells. And not only that but got very pushy when we said we didnt

> want

> >any. I could be wrong but I think this is the same person.

>

>

> yes, and i second that emotion...

>

> kcd

>

K. C. Helen was right, it was a different charlaton on the other list. I

can see how they can be confused with one another because it seems like

all the charletons have the same line/rheteric. Maybe they take a class

on how to take money from the unsuspecting.

[Guest guest]

On 9 Mar 2005 03:42:35 -0000 " kcd (k.c. dillon) "

writes:

> >Helen,

> >

> >Isnt this the same guy that was on the other list. And we as a

> whole felt

> >he needed to be removed?? All he wanted to do was sell us what he

>

> >sells. And not only that but got very pushy when we said we didnt

> want

> >any. I could be wrong but I think this is the same person.

>

>

> yes, and i second that emotion...

>

> kcd

>

K. C. Helen was right, it was a different charlaton on the other list. I

can see how they can be confused with one another because it seems like

all the charletons have the same line/rheteric. Maybe they take a class

on how to take money from the unsuspecting.

[Guest guest]

>

>

> <snip>

> > > 2. Astragalus tincture, taken daily, will strengthen your

> > > immune system and keep you from catching everything that

> > > comes down the pike.

> > > I haven't been sick yet this year, though everyone

> > > around me seems to be catching stuff all the time.

> >

> > http://tinyurl.com/4lnz9

> > http://tinyurl.com/4wlku

> > http://tinyurl.com/3uz5j

> > http://tinyurl.com/5bypy

> > http://tinyurl.com/5t9ze

> > >

> <snip<

>

> Thanks May. A post like that I have no problem with. In fact, as I

> have hypogammglobulinemia (say that in one try if you can:-) I'll

> check out all those urls.

>

> Cheers, Alan

>

You're welcome, Alan. I should have said that several of those are

random examples of the kind of research that tends to get done on

herbal medicine. There were lots more like that; and the impression

one tends to be left with is, if an herb is shown in clinical studies

to help with immune response in five or ten very different illnesses,

chances are there's a reason it's earned its reputation as an immune

enhancer.

A bit more about astragalus: several years ago, I had had, by New

Year's Day, two ear infections (one external and one middle), two

sinus infections (or one that had never cleared) and strep throat. I

finally took a friend's advice and bought astragalus tincture. I

wasn't sick again that winter, though influenzas and other viral

illnesses raged through the office I worked in, and I've rarely had a

cold since. I really believe it works for me.

May

[Guest guest]

How do you take this,is it in a capsule and how much

May Terry wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > <snip>

> > > > 2. Astragalus tincture, taken daily, will strengthen your

> > > > immune system and keep you from catching everything that

> > > > comes down the pike.

> > > > I haven't been sick yet this year, though everyone

> > > > around me seems to be catching stuff all the time.

> > >

--

I'm not yet where I need to be, but praise God, I'm not where I used to be!!

Lynda

[Guest guest]

> How do you take this,is it in a capsule and how much

>

> May Terry wrote:

>

> > > > > 2. Astragalus tincture, taken daily, will strengthen your

> > > > > immune system and keep you from catching everything that

> > > > > comes down the pike.

> > > > > I haven't been sick yet this year, though everyone

> > > > > around me seems to be catching stuff all the time.

I take a dropperful of tincture daily. If you can't or won't use

tinctures, which are based in alcohol, you can use HerbPharm or Gaia

glycerites, which are extracted in alcohol, which is then evaporated

off and glycerine added. (Other brands extract it in glycerine, which

doesn't work nearly as well as alcohol.)

May

[Guest guest]

> How do you take this,is it in a capsule and how much

>

> May Terry wrote:

>

> > > > > 2. Astragalus tincture, taken daily, will strengthen your

> > > > > immune system and keep you from catching everything that

> > > > > comes down the pike.

> > > > > I haven't been sick yet this year, though everyone

> > > > > around me seems to be catching stuff all the time.

I take a dropperful of tincture daily. If you can't or won't use

tinctures, which are based in alcohol, you can use HerbPharm or Gaia

glycerites, which are extracted in alcohol, which is then evaporated

off and glycerine added. (Other brands extract it in glycerine, which

doesn't work nearly as well as alcohol.)

May

[Guest guest]

> How do you take this,is it in a capsule and how much

>

> May Terry wrote:

>

> > > > > 2. Astragalus tincture, taken daily, will strengthen your

> > > > > immune system and keep you from catching everything that

> > > > > comes down the pike.

> > > > > I haven't been sick yet this year, though everyone

> > > > > around me seems to be catching stuff all the time.

I take a dropperful of tincture daily. If you can't or won't use

tinctures, which are based in alcohol, you can use HerbPharm or Gaia

glycerites, which are extracted in alcohol, which is then evaporated

off and glycerine added. (Other brands extract it in glycerine, which

doesn't work nearly as well as alcohol.)

May