Re: Re: Effective supplements/cures

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/6/2005 2:55:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cappie@... writes:

> Many things that work for one person do absolutely nothing for someone else

> & having a list does nothing because each individual must still try them out

> for themselves. All a list says is it worked for someone not necessarily

> that it will work for any particular person.

>

True, but having a list may provide a basis for selecting things to try. For

example, knowing that some people achieve lower BGs and A1c with a low carb

diet, might encourage someone to test and see if it works for them.

[Guest guest]

The problem as always is YMMV. Many things that work for one person do

absolutely nothing for someone else & having a list does nothing because

each individual must still try them out for themselves. All a list says

is it worked for someone not necessarily that it will work for any

particular person.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Chromium P, Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

3/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

said:<<True, but having a list may provide a basis for selecting

things to try. For

> example, knowing that some people achieve lower BGs and A1c with a low

carb

> diet, might encourage someone to test and see if it works for them.>>

I agree with you, . At the present, I am using vinegar in juice 3 x a

day that Cappie suggested, plus the cinnamon that was mentioned here some

months back. While I can't give you numbers yet, my daily pokes seem to be

lower and that encourages me to keep on.

I take two tablespoons of Apple Cider Vinegar in 1/2 cup V-8 juice 3 x a

day.

I take 2 gel caps of cinnamon after each meal.

I eat a moderately low carb diet 75 carbs or less each day.

I have just come off a holiday binge, birthday, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New

Year and it took me quite a while to get back in control, or even want to

get back in control. But I am doing it and a two weeks from today Doc. appt

should tell me some of the story!

Jo in Minnesota where the sun is shining and the water is running in the

streets! Nice!

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Re: Re: Effective supplements/cures

>

> In a message dated 3/6/2005 2:55:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> cappie@... writes:

>

> > Many things that work for one person do absolutely nothing for someone

else

> > & having a list does nothing because each individual must still try them

out

> > for themselves. All a list says is it worked for someone not

necessarily

> > that it will work for any particular person.

[Guest guest]

> Here's my list of tips . . . some obvious, some not. ()

>

I'll add some points (Duncan)

1. Triglycerides are reduced with coconut oil -- 17%

2. Autoimmune disorders can be stopped with nutritional protocols;

that is, vitamins minerals, aloe vera and cld-procssed whey.

3. Cold-procssed whey can reduce prostate problems, including

prostate cancer, and it's an immune booster and antioxidant.

4. Diabetic complications result from chronic oxidative stress. Cold-

processed whey should be part of your antioxidant program.

5. Small foot and leg ulcers are cured with ozonated olive oil.

Larger ulcers may require ozone limb bagging.

6. Colds are minimized and sometimes cured outright with colloidal

silver.

7. Too much sodium increases edema; potassium reduces it and also

normalizes blood pressure. Drink lots of water to eliminate the

excess salt.

8. Metabolic syndrome can be reversed with a handful of amino acid

supplements every day.

9. Minimizing starch and sugar in the diet and increasing beneficial

bowel flora allows better nutrient absorption and less candida yeast

in the bowel. Inulin is the food for beneficial bowel bacteria.

10. Doing all of the above will result in less insulin being needed.

Please write me back with your interest in details from the medical

research.

Duncan Crow

> 1. A low carb diet helps control BG and A1c.

> 2. Estriol cream can help males with an autoimmune disease.

> 3. Saw Palmetto helps with my prostate problems.

> 4. Cold-Eeze. lozenges help reduce the duration of a cold.

> 5. Extra water helps reduce edema caused by too much sodium.

> 6. Electrical stimulus can relieve muscle cramps.

> 7. Muscle aches caused by too much time at the keyboard may be

> corrected by changing chair height and mouse location. 8. Socks worn

> inside out are softer on the feet 9. Sores that are difficult to heal

> must be kept moist. Put Neosporin over the wound and cover it with a

> plastic bandage. It works wonders. 10. Arniflora Arnica Gel helps heal

> bruises and ecchymoses.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I'm wondering if we can generate a list of supplements/cures that people, by

> experiment, have found helpful. I'll try and start the ball rolling with my

> own list.

Wild horses couldn't stop me from joining in! I'm sort of an amateur

herbalist, so I've found a number of helpers in the plant world that

I'd like to share.

1. Calendula flower infused in oil is extremely healing for cuts,

scrapes, and burns. Even published clinical studies will tell you

it's one of the best things to use for burns from radiation treatments

for cancer. I made my own, and alternated it with aloe gel.

2. Astragalus tincture, taken daily, will strengthen your immune

system and keep you from catching everything that comes down the pike.

I haven't been sick yet this year, though everyone around me seems to

be catching stuff all the time.

3. If you do get sick, you should stop the astragalus and switch to

echinacea...unless you're one of those people, like me, who doesn't

respond to echinacea. I try to keep a bottle of the sugar-free

Sambucol (Black elderberry syrup) on hand for these times. Both will

stimulate killer T cells and the other parts of the immune system that

fight infections. Once you've dealt with the acute infection, you can

go back to the astragalus.

May

[Guest guest]

> I'm wondering if we can generate a list of supplements/cures that people, by

> experiment, have found helpful. I'll try and start the ball rolling with my

> own list.

Wild horses couldn't stop me from joining in! I'm sort of an amateur

herbalist, so I've found a number of helpers in the plant world that

I'd like to share.

1. Calendula flower infused in oil is extremely healing for cuts,

scrapes, and burns. Even published clinical studies will tell you

it's one of the best things to use for burns from radiation treatments

for cancer. I made my own, and alternated it with aloe gel.

2. Astragalus tincture, taken daily, will strengthen your immune

system and keep you from catching everything that comes down the pike.

I haven't been sick yet this year, though everyone around me seems to

be catching stuff all the time.

3. If you do get sick, you should stop the astragalus and switch to

echinacea...unless you're one of those people, like me, who doesn't

respond to echinacea. I try to keep a bottle of the sugar-free

Sambucol (Black elderberry syrup) on hand for these times. Both will

stimulate killer T cells and the other parts of the immune system that

fight infections. Once you've dealt with the acute infection, you can

go back to the astragalus.

May

[Guest guest]

I thought 's point was to tell what worked for each of us on the basis

of having tried it (and what hasn't worked on that same basis). It sounds to

me like these are what you think others should do, but have they worked on your

diabetes, autoimmune disorders, prostate problems, diabetic complications,

leg ulcers, metabolic syndrome, etc? Is this advice based on your personal

experience, or is this just based on reserach and sales?

Stacey

In a message dated 3/7/05 1:52:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

duncancrow@... writes:

1. Triglycerides are reduced with coconut oil -- 17%

2. Autoimmune disorders can be stopped with nutritional protocols;

that is, vitamins minerals, aloe vera and cld-procssed whey.

3. Cold-procssed whey can reduce prostate problems, including

prostate cancer, and it's an immune booster and antioxidant.

4. Diabetic complications result from chronic oxidative stress. Cold-

processed whey should be part of your antioxidant program.

5. Small foot and leg ulcers are cured with ozonated olive oil.

Larger ulcers may require ozone limb bagging.

6. Colds are minimized and sometimes cured outright with colloidal

silver.

7. Too much sodium increases edema; potassium reduces it and also

normalizes blood pressure. Drink lots of water to eliminate the

excess salt.

8. Metabolic syndrome can be reversed with a handful of amino acid

supplements every day.

9. Minimizing starch and sugar in the diet and increasing beneficial

bowel flora allows better nutrient absorption and less candida yeast

in the bowel. Inulin is the food for beneficial bowel bacteria.

10. Doing all of the above will result in less insulin being needed.

[Guest guest]

I thought 's point was to tell what worked for each of us on the basis

of having tried it (and what hasn't worked on that same basis). It sounds to

me like these are what you think others should do, but have they worked on your

diabetes, autoimmune disorders, prostate problems, diabetic complications,

leg ulcers, metabolic syndrome, etc? Is this advice based on your personal

experience, or is this just based on reserach and sales?

Stacey

In a message dated 3/7/05 1:52:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

duncancrow@... writes:

1. Triglycerides are reduced with coconut oil -- 17%

2. Autoimmune disorders can be stopped with nutritional protocols;

that is, vitamins minerals, aloe vera and cld-procssed whey.

3. Cold-procssed whey can reduce prostate problems, including

prostate cancer, and it's an immune booster and antioxidant.

4. Diabetic complications result from chronic oxidative stress. Cold-

processed whey should be part of your antioxidant program.

5. Small foot and leg ulcers are cured with ozonated olive oil.

Larger ulcers may require ozone limb bagging.

6. Colds are minimized and sometimes cured outright with colloidal

silver.

7. Too much sodium increases edema; potassium reduces it and also

normalizes blood pressure. Drink lots of water to eliminate the

excess salt.

8. Metabolic syndrome can be reversed with a handful of amino acid

supplements every day.

9. Minimizing starch and sugar in the diet and increasing beneficial

bowel flora allows better nutrient absorption and less candida yeast

in the bowel. Inulin is the food for beneficial bowel bacteria.

10. Doing all of the above will result in less insulin being needed.

[Guest guest]

I thought 's point was to tell what worked for each of us on the basis

of having tried it (and what hasn't worked on that same basis). It sounds to

me like these are what you think others should do, but have they worked on your

diabetes, autoimmune disorders, prostate problems, diabetic complications,

leg ulcers, metabolic syndrome, etc? Is this advice based on your personal

experience, or is this just based on reserach and sales?

Stacey

In a message dated 3/7/05 1:52:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

duncancrow@... writes:

1. Triglycerides are reduced with coconut oil -- 17%

2. Autoimmune disorders can be stopped with nutritional protocols;

that is, vitamins minerals, aloe vera and cld-procssed whey.

3. Cold-procssed whey can reduce prostate problems, including

prostate cancer, and it's an immune booster and antioxidant.

4. Diabetic complications result from chronic oxidative stress. Cold-

processed whey should be part of your antioxidant program.

5. Small foot and leg ulcers are cured with ozonated olive oil.

Larger ulcers may require ozone limb bagging.

6. Colds are minimized and sometimes cured outright with colloidal

silver.

7. Too much sodium increases edema; potassium reduces it and also

normalizes blood pressure. Drink lots of water to eliminate the

excess salt.

8. Metabolic syndrome can be reversed with a handful of amino acid

supplements every day.

9. Minimizing starch and sugar in the diet and increasing beneficial

bowel flora allows better nutrient absorption and less candida yeast

in the bowel. Inulin is the food for beneficial bowel bacteria.

10. Doing all of the above will result in less insulin being needed.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/2005 1:52:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

duncancrow@... writes:

> I'll add some points (Duncan)

Thanks Duncan. I've put your list in my permanent files as a convenient

reference.

The problem I have with reading about the generic expected results from

certain items is that the list rapidly becomes unwieldy and it's hard to select

what is most likely to help your own needs.

I believe it's especially helpful to learn about the things that people have

found works for them, in other words their own anecdotal evidence. We all know

that what works for one may not work for another, but I'd like to use the

experience of others as a 'way' to shorten my list of things to try.

I still hope to hear more about things that 'did' help the user. For example,

Estriol cream 'did' and still 'does' eliminate the pain of 'my' polymyalgia

rheumatica.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/2005 1:52:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

duncancrow@... writes:

> I'll add some points (Duncan)

Thanks Duncan. I've put your list in my permanent files as a convenient

reference.

The problem I have with reading about the generic expected results from

certain items is that the list rapidly becomes unwieldy and it's hard to select

what is most likely to help your own needs.

I believe it's especially helpful to learn about the things that people have

found works for them, in other words their own anecdotal evidence. We all know

that what works for one may not work for another, but I'd like to use the

experience of others as a 'way' to shorten my list of things to try.

I still hope to hear more about things that 'did' help the user. For example,

Estriol cream 'did' and still 'does' eliminate the pain of 'my' polymyalgia

rheumatica.

[Guest guest]

I take many supplements. Many I take on faith and hope for the best, others

have produced improvements for me.

Alpha Lipoic Acid and Evening Primrose Oil have helped with pain and burning

in my feet, unquestionably. I take 600 mg of sustained release ALA and 500 mg

of EPO twice a day. I have stopped and started several times since starting

this 15 months ago, and the difference is noticeable very quickly.

CoEnzyme Q10 has definitely improved my gum health. Started taking it just

after a dentist visit last march where I was told that my gums were not in

great shape and that I might need to come more often than twice a year. I

started it because of its reputed heart health impact, but 6 months later when I

returned to the dentist, they were stunned at the improvement in my gum health.

At the time I had no idea that CoQ10 improved gum health, so didn't have an

explanation for why my gum health improved so much - it was only about a month

later that I learned about the CoQ10 - gums connection. This one is

ridiculously expensive, but I would drop it last if I had to drop things.

In August I started taking 10 mg of lipitor to bring down my slightly high

LDL, and I've read that statins are CoQ10 antagonists, so I upped my dosage to

100 mg at night when I take the lipitor. For heart health and statin stuff, I

have to take it on faith that it's working, but the more I read about this

supplement, the more I think it's a great one to take, as it is reputed to help

with cholesterol, blood vessels, heart, gums, etc.

For my eye health, as I was recently diagnosed with background retinopathy, I

am taking 100 mg of pycnogenol, Lutein, 9,000 iu of Vitamin A, and bilberry.

All work on different aspects of eye health, and most work on more than just

eye health. Helen recommended the pycnogenol, and the others are from my own

research. I'll be back at the eye doctor's in about 5 months to see if there

has been improvement.

I take a broad spectrum B-50 vitamin for heart health and depression. I just

started this up again this week after a several month hiatus.

I take 2 green tea capsules for all around antioxident health and because

green tea is supposed to help with insulin sensitivity. Started this several

weeks ago and haven't seen any effect on BG, but too many other things have been

going on in the interim, most importantly going on an insulin pump last week,

so will reevaluate this in the near future.

I take an iron supplement because I have iron deficiency anemia.

I take a multi-vitamin from 21st Century that is aimed at diabetics. It

costs $12 for a three month's supply from CVS, and has all the usual stuff plus

small amounts of things that might help diabetics - bitte melon, chromium, etc.

Fiber - Tri-Fiber Complex from Swanson or one like it from Vitamin Shoppe - 2

capsules midmorning most days. REgularity and just general good stuff from

extra fiber. It's a good way to get me to drink two glasses of water or

non-caffeinated liquid during the morning.

I'm about to try Microlactin for joint pain, as my knees have really been

killing me lately.

Things I take once in a while:

Calcium, Magnesium, vitamin C, and other stuff I've probably forgotten.

Things I have tried and not purchased again:

cinnamon capsules - saw no effect whatsoever.

resveratrol tablets - saw no effect

High gamma mixed tocopherol E - might try this again at a later date

Bitter Melon - saw an effect when I first tried it, but the effect seemed to

fade and when I stopped it there was no difference

Ginko of mixed type - never really gave it a chance, it's still on the shelf,

may try it again at some point.

Most of these aren't terribly expensive for a several months supply in the

grand scheme of things. I make tradeoffs, I suppose, and try to make informed

decisions regarding supplements. YMMV, as always.

Stacey

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/2005 9:12:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,

staceypmartin@... writes:

> I thought 's point was to tell what worked for each of us on the basis

>

> of having tried it (and what hasn't worked on that same basis).

Exactly right, Stacey.

Some other things from my experience are:

1. Edema caused by excess sodium was helped (not resolved) by drinking more

water, but edema caused by some unknown factor was not helped by drinking more

water, neither were the usual prescription drugs successful.

2. When tapering prednisone (over about a 9 month period), I found that red

blotches appeared on both arms within 2 days of reducing the prednisone. If the

taper was going to be successful, those red blotches disappeared within 5

days. If they did not, the symptoms for which the prednisone was prescribed

reappeared and I went back to the previous prednisone dose.

3. Ester vitamin C with bioflavinoids, (250 mg and 100 mg respectively)

weakened the effectiveness of prednisone in controlling my Temporal Arteritis.

This

experiment had the ABA test. Also, aloe mucilaginous polysaccharides taken to

help with edema weakened the effect of prednisone - another ABA test. The

aloe 'appeared, to help the edema, but regrettably I could not continue the

experiment because it's important to maintain the effectiveness of my

prednisone.

At this time, I'm very sensitive to prednisone dose.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/2005 10:01:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,

staceypmartin@... writes:

> I take many supplements. Many I take on faith and hope for the best,

> others

> have produced improvements for me.

>

Thank you, Stacey, for your very helpful personal anecdotal evidence.

On another matter, I'm doing some investigation into iron deficient anemia.

The work is for a family member. My initial readings indicate that iron

deficiency is almost always caused by blood loss. I wonder if you have any ideas

to

share on that?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/2005 10:01:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,

staceypmartin@... writes:

> I take many supplements. Many I take on faith and hope for the best,

> others

> have produced improvements for me.

>

Thank you, Stacey, for your very helpful personal anecdotal evidence.

On another matter, I'm doing some investigation into iron deficient anemia.

The work is for a family member. My initial readings indicate that iron

deficiency is almost always caused by blood loss. I wonder if you have any ideas

to

share on that?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/05 10:36:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, DEKEP@...

writes:

>

>On another matter, I'm doing some investigation into iron deficient anemia.

>The work is for a family member. My initial readings indicate that iron

>deficiency is almost always caused by blood loss. I wonder if you have any

ideas to

>share on that?

>>>>>>>>>>

I had the usual tests after it was diagnosed - upper endoscopy that showed

hiatal hernia but nothing else, tests for blood in the stool, nothing.

Conclusion is that it's due to monthly blood loss as I am a not yeat menopausal

woman.

My research tells me that anemia can be a sign of kidney trouble, but so far

the blood work and urine tests come back fine. It does make me wonder though.

Stacey

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/05 10:36:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, DEKEP@...

writes:

>

>On another matter, I'm doing some investigation into iron deficient anemia.

>The work is for a family member. My initial readings indicate that iron

>deficiency is almost always caused by blood loss. I wonder if you have any

ideas to

>share on that?

>>>>>>>>>>

I had the usual tests after it was diagnosed - upper endoscopy that showed

hiatal hernia but nothing else, tests for blood in the stool, nothing.

Conclusion is that it's due to monthly blood loss as I am a not yeat menopausal

woman.

My research tells me that anemia can be a sign of kidney trouble, but so far

the blood work and urine tests come back fine. It does make me wonder though.

Stacey

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/05 10:36:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, DEKEP@...

writes:

>

>On another matter, I'm doing some investigation into iron deficient anemia.

>The work is for a family member. My initial readings indicate that iron

>deficiency is almost always caused by blood loss. I wonder if you have any

ideas to

>share on that?

>>>>>>>>>>

I had the usual tests after it was diagnosed - upper endoscopy that showed

hiatal hernia but nothing else, tests for blood in the stool, nothing.

Conclusion is that it's due to monthly blood loss as I am a not yeat menopausal

woman.

My research tells me that anemia can be a sign of kidney trouble, but so far

the blood work and urine tests come back fine. It does make me wonder though.

Stacey

[Guest guest]

Alan I agree! Anything listed shd be something the person has used &

found helpful & preferably-- FOR DIABETES not something one wants to

SELL.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Chromium P, Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

3/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Alan I agree! Anything listed shd be something the person has used &

found helpful & preferably-- FOR DIABETES not something one wants to

SELL.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Chromium P, Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

3/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Alan I agree! Anything listed shd be something the person has used &

found helpful & preferably-- FOR DIABETES not something one wants to

SELL.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Chromium P, Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

3/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

The reason for that, Alan, is because the poster, Duncan Crow, is

essentially an alternative medicine pill pusher. (If you doubt this, go

to the websites he refers you to.) He is not a diabetic but continues to

remain on this list because he words his posts very carefully. However,

our Loyal Leader, Rick, keeps a pretty tight watch on him.

Vicki

Re: Effective supplements/cures

>

>

> Hi All

>

> I've been reading the list of alternative cures with mounting

> fascination and incredulity.

>

> It would be nice if some of the posters could provide some hard

> evidence. Either specific personal anecdotes, or checkable references

> to scientific studies by recognised research bodies not part of, or

> allied to, a sales organisation.

>

> I don't want to fan the flames, but:

> " Metabolic syndrome can be reversed with a handful of amino acid

> supplements every day. "

> " Colds are minimized and sometimes cured outright with colloidal

> silver. "

> Among many other definite statements of " fact " .

>

> Come on. Please. Reality check time. At least add something like " I

> believe " or " it's my opinion " somewhere in the text.

>

> Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.

> --

> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

[Guest guest]

The reason for that, Alan, is because the poster, Duncan Crow, is

essentially an alternative medicine pill pusher. (If you doubt this, go

to the websites he refers you to.) He is not a diabetic but continues to

remain on this list because he words his posts very carefully. However,

our Loyal Leader, Rick, keeps a pretty tight watch on him.

Vicki

Re: Effective supplements/cures

>

>

> Hi All

>

> I've been reading the list of alternative cures with mounting

> fascination and incredulity.

>

> It would be nice if some of the posters could provide some hard

> evidence. Either specific personal anecdotes, or checkable references

> to scientific studies by recognised research bodies not part of, or

> allied to, a sales organisation.

>

> I don't want to fan the flames, but:

> " Metabolic syndrome can be reversed with a handful of amino acid

> supplements every day. "

> " Colds are minimized and sometimes cured outright with colloidal

> silver. "

> Among many other definite statements of " fact " .

>

> Come on. Please. Reality check time. At least add something like " I

> believe " or " it's my opinion " somewhere in the text.

>

> Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.

> --

> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/05 2:59:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

melmac2525@... writes:

>

>You can also have anemia from autoimmune disease. Autoimmune thyroid

disorder and >rheumatoid arthritis are commonly associated with anemia.

Something

about inflammation >does it, as do absorption problems...even if you are taking

iron and losing no blood from >any other source, you don't absorb the iron.

>>>>>.

I didn't know this. My uncle has rheumatoid arthritus, and I've been having

lots of pain lately in my joints. Is there a test for rheumatoid arthritus?

I was tested in October for thyroid stuff and was told everything was fine.

Stacey

[Guest guest]

Thanks Vicki for the heads up. Mr. Crow's post now makes sense, to me.

On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 06:35:05 -0800 " whimsy2 " writes:

>

> The reason for that, Alan, is because the poster, Duncan Crow, is

> essentially an alternative medicine pill pusher. (If you doubt this,

> go to the websites he refers you to.) He is not a diabetic but

> continues to remain on this list because he words his posts very

carefully.

> However, our Loyal Leader, Rick, keeps a pretty tight watch on him.

> Vicki

>

> Re: Effective supplements/cures

>

>

> >

> >

> > Hi All

> >

> > I've been reading the list of alternative cures with mounting

> > fascination and incredulity.

> >

> > It would be nice if some of the posters could provide some hard

> > evidence. Either specific personal anecdotes, or checkable

> references

> > to scientific studies by recognised research bodies not part of,

> or

> > allied to, a sales organisation.

> >

> > I don't want to fan the flames, but:

> > " Metabolic syndrome can be reversed with a handful of amino acid

> > supplements every day. "

> > " Colds are minimized and sometimes cured outright with colloidal

> > silver. "

> > Among many other definite statements of " fact " .

> >

> > Come on. Please. Reality check time. At least add something like

> " I

> > believe " or " it's my opinion " somewhere in the text.

> >

> > Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.

> > --

> > Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

>