guaifenesin

[Guest guest]

Yes, it helps but doesn't cure....I would recommend it as I have

been on it for over 3 years. St. Amand has a new book coming out

on the use of Guai. It should be out by the end of this month.

At 12:28 AM 10/23/99 -0600, you wrote:

>From: " Skari, M " <SkariPM@...>

>

>

>Has anybody on this list tried quaifenesin therapy? I

>remember reading about it and wanting to try it several

>years ago, but couldn't find a doc to go along with it

>and I basically forgot about it. My biochemist (who

>works with one of my docs) suggested guaifenesin at

>my last appointment. I know there are lists devoted

>to this topic, but interested in people's results on

>this list - good or bad.

>

>Patti

>--

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

>discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/23/1999 2:29:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

SkariPM@... writes:

<<

Has anybody on this list tried quaifenesin therapy? I

remember reading about it and wanting to try it several

years ago, but couldn't find a doc to go along with it

and I basically forgot about it. My biochemist (who

works with one of my docs) suggested guaifenesin at

my last appointment. >>

I tried taking it for severe FMS pain. Tablet version of course. It helped

me about 25% for pain control. Something to do with decalcifing the lungs .

It is a very safe drug. {the active ingrediant in most cough meds}..

Sue

[Guest guest]

Guai doesn't work for pain, at least at first. You need to go to

a physician who understands its use and you also have to insure

that you are not taking any products containing salyciates. The

Fibromyalgia Treatment

Center will be selling Dr. St. Amand's bood on the use of gaui. The book

should be out in the first week of November. If you are interested please

drop me a note.

At 10:57 AM 10/23/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: Scampy1@...

>

>In a message dated 10/23/1999 2:29:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>SkariPM@... writes:

>

><<

> Has anybody on this list tried quaifenesin therapy? I

> remember reading about it and wanting to try it several

> years ago, but couldn't find a doc to go along with it

> and I basically forgot about it. My biochemist (who

> works with one of my docs) suggested guaifenesin at

> my last appointment. >>

>

>I tried taking it for severe FMS pain. Tablet version of course. It helped

>me about 25% for pain control. Something to do with decalcifing the lungs .

>It is a very safe drug. {the active ingrediant in most cough meds}..

>

>Sue

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

>discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Skari, M wrote:

> From: " Skari, M " <SkariPM@...>

>

> Has anybody on this list tried quaifenesin therapy? I

> remember reading about it and wanting to try it several

> years ago, but couldn't find a doc to go along with it

> and I basically forgot about it. My biochemist (who

> works with one of my docs) suggested guaifenesin at

> my last appointment. I know there are lists devoted

> to this topic, but interested in people's results on

> this list - good or bad.

>

> Patti

>

Hi Patti,

I had a Nurse Practitioner Rx it for a few years ago. It made me SO much more

tired that I just couldn't take it, I have too many things I have to do to

become nonfunctional and I walk such a fine

line already. I heard later that you do get sicker on this before you get

better (if you get better). Yes, I too have heard of groups that do really well

on it though, just never knew any

personally. Sorry this probably wasn't much help......

Marcia

[Guest guest]

It is supposed to help FMS by making sonovial fluid around joints more

liquid - according to my RHEUM. It is also an expectorat breaking up

congestion in lungs so that makes some sense. But if FM is neurological, I

don't see what difference it would make! I do take it more for lungs,

however. I have a combo guai/ephdra by script which is just robitussiin

plus sudafed. Hope to hear from others!

Christie

>

>Has anybody on this list tried quaifenesin therapy? I

>remember reading about it and wanting to try it several

>years ago, but couldn't find a doc to go along with it

>and I basically forgot about it. My biochemist (who

>works with one of my docs) suggested guaifenesin at

>my last appointment. I know there are lists devoted

>to this topic, but interested in people's results on

>this list - good or bad.

>

>Patti

>--

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

> Yes, it helps but doesn't cure....I would recommend it as I have

> been on it for over 3 years. St. Amand has a new book coming out

> on the use of Guai. It should be out by the end of this month.

I saw a paper showing tender points disappearing with guai use.

Did yours go away? How long did it take? are you still " cycling "

on the guai? Does the guai help with energy?

Patti

--

[Guest guest]

Your Rheum is dead wrong...

St Amand is the one who discovered Guai as a treatment protocol. In fact,

we are currently raising funds to do a further double blind study. The

cite for guai is

http://www.sover.net/~devstar/phguai.htm. You may want to print out the

materials

and forward them to your physician.

Best of luck.

At 07:19 PM 10/23/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: " C.Tab. " <tab@...>

>

>

>It is supposed to help FMS by making sonovial fluid around joints more

>liquid - according to my RHEUM. It is also an expectorat breaking up

>congestion in lungs so that makes some sense. But if FM is neurological, I

>don't see what difference it would make! I do take it more for lungs,

>however. I have a combo guai/ephdra by script which is just robitussiin

>plus sudafed. Hope to hear from others!

>

>Christie

>

>

> >

> >Has anybody on this list tried quaifenesin therapy? I

> >remember reading about it and wanting to try it several

> >years ago, but couldn't find a doc to go along with it

> >and I basically forgot about it. My biochemist (who

> >works with one of my docs) suggested guaifenesin at

> >my last appointment. I know there are lists devoted

> >to this topic, but interested in people's results on

> >this list - good or bad.

> >

> >Patti

> >--

> >

> >>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

>discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

> >

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

>discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info

[Guest guest]

You can find Dr. St. Amand's Guaifenesin Protocol at

www.Guaidoc.com for those interested in guai for FMS.

-Theresa

> From: Cbuf1920@...

>

> What is the dosage of the Guaifenesin that your Dr. suggested you take?

> I would like to try that as my Fibro gets really bad.

[Guest guest]

if you want some good info on this subject go to web md

http://my.webmd.com/roundtable_topic/15

Theresa Romani wrote:

> From: " Theresa Romani " <tromani@...>

>

> You can find Dr. St. Amand's Guaifenesin Protocol at

> www.Guaidoc.com for those interested in guai for FMS.

>

> -Theresa

>

> > From: Cbuf1920@...

> >

> > What is the dosage of the Guaifenesin that your Dr. suggested you take?

> > I would like to try that as my Fibro gets really bad.

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

I am thinking of trying the Guaifenesin & Have been reading the info.

I have a few questions about the products to avoid.

Since I am already EI I do not use many products they recommend avoiding.

But some things I am worried about not being able to use. I use almond &

safflower oil in transdermal DHEA & progesterone. What oils can I use to

substitute?

I also only use olive oil & ghee in my diet. Can I continue to eat it in

foods? I also can only use Jojoba oil for a sunscreen. There is nothing else

that is safe for me. I also use almond oil on my skin.

Any suggestions about what I can use?

[Guest guest]

Theresa--just to add to the last post on guaifenesin; you need a perscription

from a doctor to get it in 600mg pure form. This is what you must get if you

want to try this

therapy. It exists in small amounts in over the counter products like

robitusin or cough syrup but you would have to take huge amounts to get the

required amount of guiafenesin.

[Guest guest]

> From: bwentdg@...

>

> Where do u find guafasin(sp?) out side of cough syrups ?

> Never seen it by itsself ??

When I had a bad cough my MD prescribed it for me. It left a really

heavy metallic taste in my mouth and was not a really high dose.

-Theresa

[Guest guest]

My CFIDS doc gave a prescription for this for some of my symptoms. In my

case it didn't seem to help any (but we are all different), but it did

really tear up my stomach. If you have any history of Ulcers, etc., be

very careful with this one. As a matter of fact, the PDR has specific

warnings about using this drug if there are stomach probelms such as

ulcers.

Theresa Romani wrote:

> From: " Theresa Romani " <tromani@...>

>

>

> > From: bwentdg@...

> >

> > Where do u find guafasin(sp?) out side of cough syrups ?

> > Never seen it by itsself ??

>

>

> When I had a bad cough my MD prescribed it for me. It left a

> really

> heavy metallic taste in my mouth and was not a really high dose.

>

> -Theresa

>

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

> each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

I have been having severe IBS & stomach pains, gas bloating cramping etc &

even had projectile vomiting recently after drinking lots of strong

antifungal tea.

I also had vomiting after drinking a lot of black tea recommomended for

migraines.

So I am worried about the Guaifenesin if what you say is true. I do not know

if I have ulcers, but I have a lot fo food allergies & hypersensitivties to

everything. (Severe MCS)

What kind of stomach problems & how quickly did it manifest?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

When I started taking this I found within just a couple of days that I

was getting heartburn and reflux. It continued to get worst until the

pain was pretty bad, and nothing I took seemed to help. I had, about 8

months prior, been diagnosed and treated for reflus and stomach

irritation bordering on an ulder. The Guaifenesin brought all these

symptoms back worse than ever.

I talked to my doc, and he took me off it and prescribed Klonapin

instead.

I hope this info helps you.

Cbuf1920@... wrote:

> From: Cbuf1920@...

>

> I have been having severe IBS & stomach pains, gas bloating cramping

> etc &

> even had projectile vomiting recently after drinking lots of strong

> antifungal tea.

> I also had vomiting after drinking a lot of black tea recommomended

> for

> migraines.

> So I am worried about the Guaifenesin if what you say is true. I do

> not know

> if I have ulcers, but I have a lot fo food allergies &

> hypersensitivties to

> everything. (Severe MCS)

> What kind of stomach problems & how quickly did it manifest?

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

> each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

I'd like to ask something about guaifenesin that maybe you would know the

answer to. I read about it on a Fibromyalgia site and gathered that the

dosages used were higher than what you would get from the amount in cough

syrup, so people were getting prescriptions for tablets. The other thing I

noticed were the warnings that you would feel worse before you feel better.

Well, when I take cough syrup with guai in it, non-alcoholic, no codeine or

any other funny stuff in it, I get the strangest " drugged " feeling. My head

feels funny, I can't think straight, and sometimes I feel overstimulated by

it and can't sleep if I take it at night. This is just from a small amount

of guaifenesin compared to what people take for FMS!

What I am wondering is whether these are the kinds of reactions people get

when the guai is working for them, or am I experiencing something different?

I'm wondering whether I should try taking it if my response to it is

indicating that I'm one of the people who it can help. I just don't know

exactly what the " feeling worse " is supposed to feel like. I've been

avoiding cough syrup ever since I realized it was the cause of these weird

sensations.

I also wonder, for the people that guaifenesin doesn't help, presumably they

don't notice any effect for the better or worse? Or do they also " feel

worse " when they take it, but just never start to feel better?

Thank you for any help you can give me in understanding this.

Abra

>From: 2276@...

>Reply-egroups

>onelist

>Subject: guaifenesin

>Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:04:33 EDT

>

>just wanted to retell my expirience with guaifenesin. I started it right

>after I was diagnosed with FM. I was in BAD pain, and the guai reduced

>pain

>by a good 70%; I mean at the time it was a life saver; when the pain is bad

>enough it starts to drive you crazy. Dr St Amand (I saw him) is a bit

>crazy

>though. He thinks guai is a 100% cure-all for FMS and CFS. I did lots of

>research for my own sake on guai; calling anyone I could find who tried it.

>Out of about 50 people I talked to who tried it only 6 or 7 got major help.

>It seems about 10-20% of fibro patients have excess phosphates (like

>myself)

>and will have a partial or complete recovery with the guai. Ive found

>the

>guai is only likely to help people with " fms " type symptoms; but there's no

>test for excess phosphates you just have to try it. ~

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[Guest guest]

Bob,

Where do you get Guaifenesin? Do you need a prescription? Steve Bullock

Guaifenesin

>

> Hello Group,

> It has been a while since I posted and I will try to give you all a

> heads up on my past 5 months. I did the

> Heparin/Imuplus/Oliveleaf/T3/Adreneal/ Licorice/$$$$$$$$$ etc...

> thing for quite a while. I got some benefit after a couple months.

> What I thought was feeling better. Then the process shifted again and

> I totally crashed. I began to realize that this approach while

> provides some benefit, overall it was a drop in the bucket. Now don't

> get me wrong it has helped a few. But those of us who fall in the

> category of being progressive, lose weight, fatigue, terrible nauseau

> just isn't happening.

> About 7 weeks ago I pulled the plug on everything and started the

> Guaifenesin protocal outlined by Dr St Amand. The first 3 weeks I

> felt so exhausted. ly I have never been so wiped in the entire

> course of my illness. Couldn't even stand up for days. Then in week 4

> I started to wake up a little better and the good days are slowly

> becoming more and more.

> I have tried many alternatives over the course of my illness;

> however, this is the only thing that has worked in a progressive

> manner. I am not cured but I am working and feeling real good, pacing

> myself, for the most part all symptoms are in going into remission.

> It absolutely incredible. However I do not want to jinx myself.

> You need to follow the protocal strictly and avoid all the salicytes

> which are hard. But now I realize they did nothing for me but empty

> my wallet.

> I will keep you all posted on my progress. This is so exciting and

> unlike other programs I have met and talked with many people who are

> recovered as a result of this treatment. Can Cheney do that????

> It is hard especially in the beginning and I was ready to quite but

> when I got a little relief one day I felt so alive and that convinced

> me to stay with it.

> I feel so good right now and truly urge those of you with my type

> symptoms to consider this treatment. I am starting to think that all

> of this Cheney/Teitlebaum is nothing but highway robbery. Why have I

> spoken to so many people who are now better on the Guaf protocal and

> why don't the so called exepert Docs try it if they are so interested

> in our health. Or are they really?

> Again and I stress, I am going to a conference in NY next week to

> meet with Dr Amand and others who I have spoken to on the phone who

> ARE RECOVERED. I know many have arguments as to why this program

> should not work . Well the proof is out their and I truly hope this

> is a reality. I keep expecting things to go south and they may . But

> so far so good.

> To Your Health,

>

> I hope to Keep reporting progress.

> Take care Bob R

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

>I feel so good right now and truly urge those of you with my type

>symptoms to consider this treatment.

Bob,

What ARE your type of symptoms? Sorry if you have explained them in the

past, but there are so many people on this list that I can't keep it all

straight with my brain fog :^ )

-Theresa

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob,

Thanks for sharing your progress with Guaifenesin. I still have the

article from the CFIDS Chronicle about it but haven't tried it because

I thought that it was more for fibromyalgia. Do you have some fibro

symptoms such as stiffness and trigger points? I don't, but I do have

daily vascular headaches and muscle pain that seems to fit the low blood

volume/virus & toxic overload idea. But I wonder if this would help me.

Can they test in any way before starting the protocol or do you just

have

to plunge in and go through the misery. I don't know if I could stand

getting any worse than I am without knowing whether it's working. I

admire your leap of faith and endurance through the first month.

I would appreciate knowing how long you have been ill. I think that I

recall Dr. St. Amand saying in the article that it takes a month for

every

year of illness. That would be 12 months for me. I wonder if that

means

12 mos. of misery before improvement?

And you mentioned that you are working. I would be interested to know

how many hours you are able to be productive and mentally or physically

active compared to how you were, typically, over the past year on the

Cheney (and others) plan.

I know I'm asking a lot of questions, but it's always exciting to hear

that someone is making good progress. Like you, I have lost weight and

am getting worse except for small boosts as a result of hundreds of $$

of nutrients monthly. So, I would greatly appreciate whatever time you

could give to my questions. Thanks, Bob, and congratulations.

Sandy

" Bob R. " wrote:

>

>

> Hello Group,

> It has been a while since I posted and I will try to give you all a

> heads up on my past 5 months. I did the

> Heparin/Imuplus/Oliveleaf/T3/Adreneal/ Licorice/$$$$$$$$$ etc...

> thing for quite a while. I got some benefit after a couple months.

> What I thought was feeling better. Then the process shifted again and

> I totally crashed. I began to realize that this approach while

> provides some benefit, overall it was a drop in the bucket. Now don't

> get me wrong it has helped a few. But those of us who fall in the

> category of being progressive, lose weight, fatigue, terrible nauseau

> just isn't happening.

> About 7 weeks ago I pulled the plug on everything and started the

> Guaifenesin protocal outlined by Dr St Amand. The first 3 weeks I

> felt so exhausted. ly I have never been so wiped in the entire

> course of my illness. Couldn't even stand up for days. Then in week 4

> I started to wake up a little better and the good days are slowly

> becoming more and more.

> I have tried many alternatives over the course of my illness;

> however, this is the only thing that has worked in a progressive

> manner. I am not cured but I am working and feeling real good, pacing

> myself, for the most part all symptoms are in going into remission.

> It absolutely incredible. However I do not want to jinx myself.

> You need to follow the protocal strictly and avoid all the salicytes

> which are hard. But now I realize they did nothing for me but empty

> my wallet.

> I will keep you all posted on my progress. This is so exciting and

> unlike other programs I have met and talked with many people who are

> recovered as a result of this treatment. Can Cheney do that????

> It is hard especially in the beginning and I was ready to quite but

> when I got a little relief one day I felt so alive and that convinced

> me to stay with it.

> I feel so good right now and truly urge those of you with my type

> symptoms to consider this treatment. I am starting to think that all

> of this Cheney/Teitlebaum is nothing but highway robbery. Why have I

> spoken to so many people who are now better on the Guaf protocal and

> why don't the so called exepert Docs try it if they are so interested

> in our health. Or are they really?

> Again and I stress, I am going to a conference in NY next week to

> meet with Dr Amand and others who I have spoken to on the phone who

> ARE RECOVERED. I know many have arguments as to why this program

> should not work . Well the proof is out their and I truly hope this

> is a reality. I keep expecting things to go south and they may . But

> so far so good.

> To Your Health,

>

> I hope to Keep reporting progress.

> Take care Bob R

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

> >I feel so good right now and truly urge those of you with my type

> >symptoms to consider this treatment.

>

> Bob,

>

> What ARE your type of symptoms? Sorry if you have explained

them in the

> past, but there are so many people on this list that I can't keep

it all

> straight with my brain fog :^ )

>

> -Theresa

My symptoms were profound fatigue, weakness, weight loss, low blood

pressure, rapid heart rate, IBS, flu-like toxic feeling all over

[Guest guest]

> >

> >

> > Hello Group,

> > It has been a while since I posted and I will try to give you all

a

> > heads up on my past 5 months. I did the

> > Heparin/Imuplus/Oliveleaf/T3/Adreneal/ Licorice/$$$$$$$$$ etc...

> > thing for quite a while. I got some benefit after a couple months.

> > What I thought was feeling better. Then the process shifted again

and

> > I totally crashed. I began to realize that this approach while

> > provides some benefit, overall it was a drop in the bucket. Now

don't

> > get me wrong it has helped a few. But those of us who fall in the

> > category of being progressive, lose weight, fatigue, terrible

nauseau

> > just isn't happening.

> > About 7 weeks ago I pulled the plug on everything and started the

> > Guaifenesin protocal outlined by Dr St Amand. The first 3 weeks I

> > felt so exhausted. ly I have never been so wiped in the

entire

> > course of my illness. Couldn't even stand up for days. Then in

week 4

> > I started to wake up a little better and the good days are slowly

> > becoming more and more.

> > I have tried many alternatives over the course of my illness;

> > however, this is the only thing that has worked in a progressive

> > manner. I am not cured but I am working and feeling real good,

pacing

> > myself, for the most part all symptoms are in going into

remission.

> > It absolutely incredible. However I do not want to jinx myself.

> > You need to follow the protocal strictly and avoid all the

salicytes

> > which are hard. But now I realize they did nothing for me but

empty

> > my wallet.

> > I will keep you all posted on my progress. This is so exciting and

> > unlike other programs I have met and talked with many people who

are

> > recovered as a result of this treatment. Can Cheney do that????

> > It is hard especially in the beginning and I was ready to quite

but

> > when I got a little relief one day I felt so alive and that

convinced

> > me to stay with it.

> > I feel so good right now and truly urge those of you with my type

> > symptoms to consider this treatment. I am starting to think that

all

> > of this Cheney/Teitlebaum is nothing but highway robbery. Why

have I

> > spoken to so many people who are now better on the Guaf protocal

and

> > why don't the so called exepert Docs try it if they are so

interested

> > in our health. Or are they really?

> > Again and I stress, I am going to a conference in NY next week to

> > meet with Dr Amand and others who I have spoken to on the phone

who

> > ARE RECOVERED. I know many have arguments as to why this program

> > should not work . Well the proof is out their and I truly hope

this

> > is a reality. I keep expecting things to go south and they may .

But

> > so far so good.

> > To Your Health,

> >

> > I hope to Keep reporting progress.

> > Take care Bob R

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested

in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

I thought Guaifenesin was just Robitusin.

lindaj@...

Guaifenesin

>

>

> >

> > Hello Group,

> > It has been a while since I posted and I will try to give you all a

> > heads up on my past 5 months. I did the

> > Heparin/Imuplus/Oliveleaf/T3/Adreneal/ Licorice/$$$$$$$$$ etc...

> > thing for quite a while. I got some benefit after a couple months.

> > What I thought was feeling better. Then the process shifted again and

> > I totally crashed. I began to realize that this approach while

> > provides some benefit, overall it was a drop in the bucket. Now don't

> > get me wrong it has helped a few. But those of us who fall in the

> > category of being progressive, lose weight, fatigue, terrible nauseau

> > just isn't happening.

> > About 7 weeks ago I pulled the plug on everything and started the

> > Guaifenesin protocal outlined by Dr St Amand. The first 3 weeks I

> > felt so exhausted. ly I have never been so wiped in the entire

> > course of my illness. Couldn't even stand up for days. Then in week 4

> > I started to wake up a little better and the good days are slowly

> > becoming more and more.

> > I have tried many alternatives over the course of my illness;

> > however, this is the only thing that has worked in a progressive

> > manner. I am not cured but I am working and feeling real good, pacing

> > myself, for the most part all symptoms are in going into remission.

> > It absolutely incredible. However I do not want to jinx myself.

> > You need to follow the protocal strictly and avoid all the salicytes

> > which are hard. But now I realize they did nothing for me but empty

> > my wallet.

> > I will keep you all posted on my progress. This is so exciting and

> > unlike other programs I have met and talked with many people who are

> > recovered as a result of this treatment. Can Cheney do that????

> > It is hard especially in the beginning and I was ready to quite but

> > when I got a little relief one day I felt so alive and that convinced

> > me to stay with it.

> > I feel so good right now and truly urge those of you with my type

> > symptoms to consider this treatment. I am starting to think that all

> > of this Cheney/Teitlebaum is nothing but highway robbery. Why have I

> > spoken to so many people who are now better on the Guaf protocal and

> > why don't the so called exepert Docs try it if they are so interested

> > in our health. Or are they really?

> > Again and I stress, I am going to a conference in NY next week to

> > meet with Dr Amand and others who I have spoken to on the phone who

> > ARE RECOVERED. I know many have arguments as to why this program

> > should not work . Well the proof is out their and I truly hope this

> > is a reality. I keep expecting things to go south and they may . But

> > so far so good.

> > To Your Health,

> >

> > I hope to Keep reporting progress.

> > Take care Bob R

> >

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

http://home.ozonline.com.au/tmarcon/

Readsome of the Web Site and if interested read the book by Dr Amand

> I thought Guaifenesin was just Robitusin.

>

>

> lindaj@h...

>

> Guaifenesin

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello Group,

> > > It has been a while since I posted and I will try to give you

all a

> > > heads up on my past 5 months. I did the

> > > Heparin/Imuplus/Oliveleaf/T3/Adreneal/ Licorice/$$$$$$$$$ etc...

> > > thing for quite a while. I got some benefit after a couple

months.

> > > What I thought was feeling better. Then the process shifted

again and

> > > I totally crashed. I began to realize that this approach while

> > > provides some benefit, overall it was a drop in the bucket. Now

don't

> > > get me wrong it has helped a few. But those of us who fall in

the

> > > category of being progressive, lose weight, fatigue, terrible

nauseau

> > > just isn't happening.

> > > About 7 weeks ago I pulled the plug on everything and started

the

> > > Guaifenesin protocal outlined by Dr St Amand. The first 3 weeks

I

> > > felt so exhausted. ly I have never been so wiped in the

entire

> > > course of my illness. Couldn't even stand up for days. Then in

week 4

> > > I started to wake up a little better and the good days are

slowly

> > > becoming more and more.

> > > I have tried many alternatives over the course of my illness;

> > > however, this is the only thing that has worked in a progressive

> > > manner. I am not cured but I am working and feeling real good,

pacing

> > > myself, for the most part all symptoms are in going into

remission.

> > > It absolutely incredible. However I do not want to jinx myself.

> > > You need to follow the protocal strictly and avoid all the

salicytes

> > > which are hard. But now I realize they did nothing for me but

empty

> > > my wallet.

> > > I will keep you all posted on my progress. This is so exciting

and

> > > unlike other programs I have met and talked with many people

who are

> > > recovered as a result of this treatment. Can Cheney do that????

> > > It is hard especially in the beginning and I was ready to quite

but

> > > when I got a little relief one day I felt so alive and that

convinced

> > > me to stay with it.

> > > I feel so good right now and truly urge those of you with my

type

> > > symptoms to consider this treatment. I am starting to think

that all

> > > of this Cheney/Teitlebaum is nothing but highway robbery. Why

have I

> > > spoken to so many people who are now better on the Guaf

protocal and

> > > why don't the so called exepert Docs try it if they are so

interested

> > > in our health. Or are they really?

> > > Again and I stress, I am going to a conference in NY next week

to

> > > meet with Dr Amand and others who I have spoken to on the phone

who

> > > ARE RECOVERED. I know many have arguments as to why this program

> > > should not work . Well the proof is out their and I truly hope

this

> > > is a reality. I keep expecting things to go south and they

may . But

> > > so far so good.

> > > To Your Health,

> > >

> > > I hope to Keep reporting progress.

> > > Take care Bob R

> > >

> > >

> > > This list is intended for patients to share personal

experiences with

> each

> > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment

> > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> > >

> >

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Bob

Please keep us informed. How does the guaifensin work?

Phil

Guaifenesin

>

> Hello Group,

> It has been a while since I posted and I will try to give you all a

> heads up on my past 5 months. I did the

> Heparin/Imuplus/Oliveleaf/T3/Adreneal/ Licorice/$$$$$$$$$ etc...

> thing for quite a while. I got some benefit after a couple months.

> What I thought was feeling better. Then the process shifted again and

> I totally crashed. I began to realize that this approach while

> provides some benefit, overall it was a drop in the bucket. Now don't

> get me wrong it has helped a few. But those of us who fall in the

> category of being progressive, lose weight, fatigue, terrible nauseau

> just isn't happening.

> About 7 weeks ago I pulled the plug on everything and started the

> Guaifenesin protocal outlined by Dr St Amand. The first 3 weeks I

>