Bah Humbug

[Guest guest]

Yes, cappie I am tired of saying no. But I don't say no as well as you do girl.

And I

don't get invited to those parties, etc. But I still have lots of opportunies to

say no.

I am my own worst enemy. But I want off the bus too. Take care girl. I know you

do good

and have had much success with your goals.

Lou

cappie@... wrote:

>

> OK is everyone as sick as I am of being a diabetic??? Tired of saying

> no to all the holiday goodies that everyone else can have? Tired of the

> social isolation involved in saying no fo all those parties & get

> togethers because they all revolves around the food you can't have?

>

> STOP THIS BUS I WANT TO GET OFF!!!!!!

>

> cappie

> Greater Boston Area

> T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

>

[Guest guest]

Don't be too sure of that ML--I am just as human as anyone else. I have

had a case of the nibbles since thanksgiving & I HATE it & HATE having

to hate it.

I have missed 4 specials for Seniors this past month & New Year's eve

makes 5. & I am not doing well anyway.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

max 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

12/04:143 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 66,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Oh Cappie, don't be so hard on yourself. I know how much you have succeeded with

since I

have heard you online. Don't miss the next one, ok? Then you can go back to your

" normal " ways.

ml

cappie@... wrote:

>

> Don't be too sure of that ML--I am just as human as anyone else. I have

> had a case of the nibbles since thanksgiving & I HATE it & HATE having

> to hate it.

>

> I have missed 4 specials for Seniors this past month & New Year's eve

> makes 5. & I am not doing well anyway.

>

> cappie

> Greater Boston Area

> T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

> max 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

[Guest guest]

At 09:35 PM 12/30/04, cappie@... wrote:

>OK is everyone as sick as I am of being a diabetic??? Tired of saying

>no to all the holiday goodies that everyone else can have? Tired of the

>social isolation involved in saying no fo all those parties & get

>togethers because they all revolves around the food you can't have?

Yep. that's why I had some Christmas cookies. They were wonderful and I

don't regret it one bit.

If I found out I had one year to live you can bet your last dollar that I'd

spend that year eating anything I darn wanted. Off the bus, indeed.

There is this thing called " quality of life " .

sky

[Guest guest]

> OK is everyone as sick as I am of being a diabetic???

Now that you mention it Cappie, I am exceedingly tired of being on

this bus. All I would like to do is not to have to think each and

every minute about what how I feel; where my bgs are; what I need to

eat or shouldn't. And so on ...... ) Is that too much to ask Santa

for???? LOL ..

Suzz, t2, d & e, dx1997

[Guest guest]

When you find the Santa that delivers that gift Suzz--pretty please tell

him, me too?????

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

max 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

12/04:143 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 66,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

What is wrong with Meir Charlie?

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

max 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

12/04:143 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 66,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Somebody wrote:

> you have to enjoy life sometime, else why bother to prolong it the rest of

> the time?

I agree, but I'd like to mention some of the things that make me not fuss

about the food I shouldn't eat. The song of a lark on a summer morning, the blue

sky and green grass, the poignant quiet after a heavy snowfall, the love of

family and friends. These and so many more things make life incredibly

fascinating and enjoyable.

Food is nowhere on my list of things to live for . . . only to live by.

Happy New Year new all.

[Guest guest]

Off the bus???? Not exactly - but off the lists and definitely off the LC

WOE!!!

Yes it was a great holiday, but now the family have all dispersed and left us

alone again,

and as soon as all the leftovers are eaten, I will get back on the bus - I

promise!!!

I'm with you Sky - you have to enjoy life sometime, else why bother to prolong

it the rest of the time?

Perhaps I'm just making excuses for my bad behaviour??

CJ

Ontario, Canada

T2; Metformin 500 bid; Diovan, Norvasc, ASA, bitter melon, ALA, EPO, pinot noire

Low Carb WOE + cinnamon

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Original Message:

Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:19:25 -0500

Subject: Re: BAH HUMBUG

At 09:35 PM 12/30/04, cappie@... wrote:

>OK is everyone as sick as I am of being a diabetic??? Tired of saying

>no to all the holiday goodies that everyone else can have? Tired of the

>social isolation involved in saying no fo all those parties & get

>togethers because they all revolves around the food you can't have?

Yep. that's why I had some Christmas cookies. They were wonderful and I

don't regret it one bit.

If I found out I had one year to live you can bet your last dollar that I'd

spend that year eating anything I darn wanted. Off the bus, indeed.

There is this thing called " quality of life " .

sky

[Guest guest]

At 05:01 PM 12/31/04, Data-Pro wrote:

>Off the bus???? Not exactly - but off the lists and definitely off the LC

>WOE!!!

>

>Yes it was a great holiday, but now the family have all dispersed and left

>us alone again,

>and as soon as all the leftovers are eaten, I will get back on the bus - I

>promise!!!

>

>I'm with you Sky - you have to enjoy life sometime, else why bother to

>prolong it the rest of the time?

>Perhaps I'm just making excuses for my bad behaviour??

Maybe so, but then I must be doing the same thing, CJ. I did check BG

after the one cookie and it was still 165 two hours later. I don't have the

book here but I think it was in the 120's before I ate it. So then I knew

and then I still had a cookie now and then over the three days.

sky

[Guest guest]

Charlie, reminds me of the time my husband's mother said to

him, " Larry, I'm so glad I have emphysema, aren't you? " LOL

Another time she said, " Oh, I'm so glad Daddy's dead, aren't you? "

Now, I understood the first statement on some level. But the

second? I didn't ever get that one.

Janet

> I always get comfort from the point made by Woody : Diseases

are divided into the horrible and the miserable; the horrible make

you appreciate the miserable!! Diabetes is mostly miserable - Meir's

affliction makes you appreciate diabetes. Cold comfort, I know.

>

> Charlie

>

[Guest guest]

At 05:54 PM 12/31/04, whimsy2 wrote:

>Personally speaking, if I were in his shoes (and I hope i never am) I'd

>forego the chemo.

Me, too. And forgo the diabetic diet, too. Might as well go happy.

sky

[Guest guest]

Well if I had just eaten one cookie sky, I wouldn't even remember doing

it. I have been nibbling off diet since thanksgiving & I hate the fact

that I have been & that there IS one to be " off " .

I guess I am feeling rotten that I have hurt myself so much--all in the

name of holiday " enjoyment " . Funny cj but I don't seem to be enjoying

myself.

I have not had this problem before--first time since diagnosis, guess I

can expect to be bowled over by the loss of control.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

max 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

12/04:143 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 66,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Well I wouldn't want oatmeal (yuck) but a nice bowl of grape nuts or

plain shredded wheat would be great !

Squeezing into size 14? How about a 16 & only eating around 1200

calories & less than 100 carbs a day, every day, every week,

every........

Thanks for sharing!

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

max 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

12/04:143 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 66,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Well...I'm doing a little holiday experiment myself tonight.

I generally eat dinner early so my insulin is finished before I go to

bed. And when I eat out, I try not to do it later than 7.

However...tonight, there is a progressive dinner in my neighborhood for

NYE party...and the first course -- appetizers -- not starting till 8

p.m....

Main course at 9 pm..

Desserts at 10.

I have no idea how I'm doing to dose for this extended meal. And

obviously I'm not going to be able to stay up long enough to find out

what my BGs are before I go to bed.

(I hope I can even stay up till midnight! -- I was up my usual 5:30 a.m.

this morning)...

The easiest thing, I 'spose, would be to eat dinner at home, at regular

time and forget the food at the progressive dinner...but that's no fun.

And I agree...going to a potluck can be really problematic for

diabetics. Actually, I've learned how to deal with that, for the most

part...bring something I can eat myself without dosing (like stuffed

eggs) and choose foods JUDICIOUSLY. But this one is a matter of timing

and insulin.

I think I'm just going to wing it. And hope for the best.

Let you know how it goes tomorrow.

Happy new year, all!

Vicki

Re: Re: BAH HUMBUG

>

> At 05:01 PM 12/31/04, Data-Pro wrote:

>

>>Off the bus???? Not exactly - but off the lists and definitely off

>>the LC

>>WOE!!!

>>

>>Yes it was a great holiday, but now the family have all dispersed and

>>left

>>us alone again,

>>and as soon as all the leftovers are eaten, I will get back on the

>>bus - I

>>promise!!!

[Guest guest]

At 06:36 PM 12/31/04, cappie@... wrote:

>Well if I had just eaten one cookie sky, I wouldn't even remember doing

>it. I have been nibbling off diet since thanksgiving & I hate the fact

>that I have been & that there IS one to be " off " .

>

>I guess I am feeling rotten that I have hurt myself so much--all in the

>name of holiday " enjoyment " . Funny cj but I don't seem to be enjoying

>myself.

>

>I have not had this problem before--first time since diagnosis, guess I

>can expect to be bowled over by the loss of control.

I did the same thing when I was on Low Carb (before diabetes diagnoses) and

started cheating and then it was more and more. Sighhh. I gained back most

of the 50 pounds I'd lost. Now I'm losing again, but still far away from

the old figure (which was still too high). I decided to cheat today, too,

in " honor " of New Years. Spaghetti for dinner (not that so-called low carb

stuff that feels slimy in your mouth).

I ate more than one cookie, by the way, but not at the same time. I didn't

want to empty the cookie bowl so obviously since I was at someone else's

house.

I guess we just need to forgive ourselves and get on with things.

sky

[Guest guest]

At 07:51 PM 12/31/04, DEKEP@... wrote:

>I agree, but I'd like to mention some of the things that make me not fuss

>about the food I shouldn't eat. The song of a lark on a summer morning,

>the blue

>sky and green grass, the poignant quiet after a heavy snowfall, the love of

>family and friends. These and so many more things make life incredibly

>fascinating and enjoyable.

>

>Food is nowhere on my list of things to live for . . . only to live by.

I dunno. When I'd like a cookie, that lark better be pretty darned good

with his song or I'll broil him up, too.

sky

[Guest guest]

Absolutely I agree. I think I said these very words not long ago.

It is not the food itself however that is creating the problem, it is

me. For some reason I am finding that the holidays this year are so

bound up with food/socialiation/warm feelings/memory that my normal self

is not seeing/feeling properly. I have momentarily lost my usually good

perspective. Hopefully I'll find it again soon!

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

max 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

12/04:143 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 66,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

cappie definitely has a point. In human culture food is tied together

with nurturing, sharing, memory and pleasure.

When I celebrate certain holidays with family and we eat the foods my

mother used to prepare when I was a child, all the above come together

and make turning away impossible.

When my adopted granddaughter makes cookies and nut breads for us at

Christmas time, she is not trying to tempt us into diabetic

indiscretions, she is sharing love and the fruits of her labor with us.

It is up to us to be careful and not eat it all at once. This has

been a traditional gift from her to Joe for several years; this year she

tapered back, but needed to give us some.

I know because I use insulin I have more leeway than others; but insulin

is not a universal ticket to eating anything I want.

As with cappie, this year has been harder for me than other years.

Perhaps it is because so much has happened to make this a most difficult

year that I feel a need for comfort foods. Not only has my will, or

won't, power deserted me in the house; I lost it at the store too.

But this too will pass.

Happy New Year!

Helen

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/5/2005 5:26:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cappie@... writes:

> Well lucky you Tom.

I'm not sure that optimism and appreciation are really a matter of luck so

much as attitude. Of course, maybe it's luck that gives one the right genes,

hormones, and whatever else it is that produces a positive attitude

independently

of the situation.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/5/2005 5:54:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cappie@... writes:

> If you look at the bottom of my sig you will see that I have lost over

> 150 lbs since diagnosis a little over 2 yrs ago & my A1c is close to 5%

>

I had observed those results and thought they were quite remarkable. A

challenge for some us to try and emulate. My experiences don't make me a good

sympathizer, but I do try to provide encouragement.

I hope you'll soon be feeling brighter.

[Guest guest]

> At 09:35 PM 12/30/04, cappie@... wrote:

>

>OK is everyone as sick as I am of being a diabetic???

Tired of saying

>no to all the holiday goodies that everyone else can have?

Tired of the

>social isolation involved in saying no fo all those parties

& get

>togethers because they all revolves around the food you

can't have?

Actually, no. First, everyone has their problems, and I am

glad

my diabetes is one that can be controlled (so far anyway)

just by

being careful about what I eat and by being active. Even if

meds

are needed, it is still controllable, and complications can

generally

be avoided. I see lots of people with much greater

problems, and

I consider myself blessed.

Next, what other people eat doesn't really bother me. And

when

I go to parties, etc. I do it to enjoy the people. The food

is

not the main reason. If there is something there I am

willing to

eat (e.g., cold cuts, a veggie platter, cheese, etc.) --

great.

If not, I can always drink water (plain or sparkling) and

still

enjoy the people. I can watch what I eat discretely,

without

making a fuss, and many people that know me casually have

never

noticed that I avoid carbs. Again, I consider myself

blessed

that I can enjoy a considerable variety of foods and still

keep

my carb intake to generally no more that 30 g./day.

Enjoying the

people has no carbs, so, again, I am blessed.

Sky added:

>

> There is this thing called " quality of life " .

Yes, there is this. Being able to see, having all of my

feet and

toes, retaining kidney function, etc. are much more

important to

my quality of life than a cookie or a potato chip. So,

again, I'll

continue with my WOE, and I'll continue to attend social

events where

food is served for the enjoyment of friends and others. I am

blessed.

Tom the Actuary

[Guest guest]

Well lucky you Tom.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

max 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

12/04:143 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 66,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

& Tom: I am getting a little peeved at the attitude that I just

need to " think positive. "

If you look at the bottom of my sig you will see that I have lost over

150 lbs since diagnosis a little over 2 yrs ago & my A1c is close to 5%

which I consider damn good but not perfect.

Posting that I was having a down time & a little burnout due to the

holidays is NOT the same as " having a bad attitude " it was a request for

a little comiseration & understanding from those who where also

experiencing the same at the moment.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

max 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

12/04:143 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 66,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

At 05:51 PM 1/5/05, cappie@... wrote:

>Posting that I was having a down time & a little burnout due to the

>holidays is NOT the same as " having a bad attitude " it was a request for

>a little comiseration & understanding from those who where also

>experiencing the same at the moment.

Hey, I wuz with ya!!!! I'm a believer in the Zen of being miserable.

(the cookies were good)

sky