Re: Lactated Ringers Solution

[Guest guest]

hi, please don " t get any hard feelings with each other...everyone is

different, what works for one person might not work for someone else. All i

have is my own experience to share....i also have panic attacks, for a while

i took medication for it, but then i stopped taking it, because i am a

recovering alcoholic and addict, i have been clean for 5 years, so i wanted

to learn how to deal with it without taking medication. What i have learned

from my experience is that alot of the times,( not all the time) i bring my

attacks on myself, usually when i am afraid or scared about something. Of

course i hate to admit it but i can see it now...i had to get blood drawn

today, i did not have a panic attack, but i could feel my heart pounding

faster then usual...I am not a nurse or a professional, i am just sharing

what i have been through. michelle

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/08/1999 7:22:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gypsygal@... writes:

<< " Tilting the

windmills " >>

Dee in NC,

If you have, as you say, " scientific correlation, " I'd be more than happy

to read it. You have missed your mark in your attempt to malign my

character. You didn't read my email correctly. What I said was that the IV

solution was not the cause of a panic response or worsening of a panic

disorder. That is simply the fact of the matter. I invite you to send me

the cites for the articles you say you have read.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/08/1999 7:22:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gypsygal@... writes:

<< " Tilting the

windmills " >>

Dee in NC,

If you have, as you say, " scientific correlation, " I'd be more than happy

to read it. You have missed your mark in your attempt to malign my

character. You didn't read my email correctly. What I said was that the IV

solution was not the cause of a panic response or worsening of a panic

disorder. That is simply the fact of the matter. I invite you to send me

the cites for the articles you say you have read.

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with on this one gang. I have been in the Nursing

field for over 20 years and cannot find any evidence to support that lactated

ringers solution has any connection to panic attacks. I will continue to

research this and if I can find any information will be happy to forward it

to the list. Also, maybe Dr. Rutledge could comment on this so there is not

unnecessary fear prior to surgery!

[Guest guest]

since i do suffer from panic disorders, i would like to ask the ones who are

in the health field a question..i didn " t think there was anything that could

cause my attacks to come on, but my own fears....is that true.?..what i mean

is that i bring them on myself...if i am wrong please let me know....The

doctors that I have seen, all have there own ideas. three of the doctors that

i have seen in the past 6 years diagnosed me totally different. it drives me

up the wall sometimes....michelle

[Guest guest]

since i do suffer from panic disorders, i would like to ask the ones who are

in the health field a question..i didn " t think there was anything that could

cause my attacks to come on, but my own fears....is that true.?..what i mean

is that i bring them on myself...if i am wrong please let me know....The

doctors that I have seen, all have there own ideas. three of the doctors that

i have seen in the past 6 years diagnosed me totally different. it drives me

up the wall sometimes....michelle

[Guest guest]

, this is such an open question I truly wish there was a simple

answer to give you. As a health care professional, I can only suggest that

if you suffer from panic disease disorder that you seek medical attention.

There has been discussion that yes, it is " brought on by the individual " but

also others say there is a chemical imbalance. This really is a relatively

new area and so much research is currently going on now.

What is important here to remember is that each of us is an individual and we

all react differently to things. What is important is that if you have any

past history of any type of allergic reaction in the past that you let Dr.

Rutlege know. The last thing he would want to do is put anyone in jeopardy

of another risk!

I hope this has helped you some .. please feel free to contact me if I can be

of any other assistance.

[Guest guest]

, this is such an open question I truly wish there was a simple

answer to give you. As a health care professional, I can only suggest that

if you suffer from panic disease disorder that you seek medical attention.

There has been discussion that yes, it is " brought on by the individual " but

also others say there is a chemical imbalance. This really is a relatively

new area and so much research is currently going on now.

What is important here to remember is that each of us is an individual and we

all react differently to things. What is important is that if you have any

past history of any type of allergic reaction in the past that you let Dr.

Rutlege know. The last thing he would want to do is put anyone in jeopardy

of another risk!

I hope this has helped you some .. please feel free to contact me if I can be

of any other assistance.

[Guest guest]

, I am the one who started the whole thing about LR, just by asking if it

was used. I am also a health care professional, I do suffer from panic disorder

and I also need this life saving surgery. You obviously have no compassion for

people with this disorder, which is common, even among health care

professionals.

Just reading your post made me angry. There is no possible way you can know

everything.As I said, I am an EMT and have started thousands of IV's and I did

not know this, but I didn't make it up off the top of my head either. I see a

very good and well respected psychiatrist and when I told him what happened with

my surgery, HE is the one that asked me to find out what solution was used and

HE

also showed me scientific correlation. So, therefore, I am NOT " Tilting the

windmills " as you say. Maybe you should do some research of your own before

trying to put other people down who are just trying to save their own

life!!!!!!!

Dee in NC

JVE123@... wrote:

> From: JVE123@...

>

> Just to provide some level headed insight into this issue that has been the

> topic of discussion recently: Lactated Ringers solution is not related, in

> any way, to any panic disorder exacerbation (worsening).

[Guest guest]

, I am the one who started the whole thing about LR, just by asking if it

was used. I am also a health care professional, I do suffer from panic disorder

and I also need this life saving surgery. You obviously have no compassion for

people with this disorder, which is common, even among health care

professionals.

Just reading your post made me angry. There is no possible way you can know

everything.As I said, I am an EMT and have started thousands of IV's and I did

not know this, but I didn't make it up off the top of my head either. I see a

very good and well respected psychiatrist and when I told him what happened with

my surgery, HE is the one that asked me to find out what solution was used and

HE

also showed me scientific correlation. So, therefore, I am NOT " Tilting the

windmills " as you say. Maybe you should do some research of your own before

trying to put other people down who are just trying to save their own

life!!!!!!!

Dee in NC

JVE123@... wrote:

> From: JVE123@...

>

> Just to provide some level headed insight into this issue that has been the

> topic of discussion recently: Lactated Ringers solution is not related, in

> any way, to any panic disorder exacerbation (worsening).

[Guest guest]

Ditto from me,

I have been in the Nursing profession for over 20 years too and have never

heard of such a claim before. I'd really like to see the info this claim is

based on. I too am going to look for any information and will forward to

the list if I find anything.

Re: Lactated Ringers Solution

> From: APEXKAS@...

>

> I have to agree with on this one gang. I have been in the Nursing

> field for over 20 years and cannot find any evidence to support that

lactated

> ringers solution has any connection to panic attacks. I will continue to

> research this and if I can find any information will be happy to forward

it

> to the list. Also, maybe Dr. Rutledge could comment on this so there is

not

> unnecessary fear prior to surgery!

>

> > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I don't know how much this will help but Bach Flower Essence, about 36 of them,

all deal with various emotional aspects and may benefit you in several ways.

Would you know if you have access to any of these? You would find them in

Organic grocery stores or herb stores, sometimes vitamin stores (not GNC).

a

Pinkrose35@... wrote:

>

> From: Pinkrose35@...

>

> since i do suffer from panic disorders, i would like to ask the ones who are

> in the health field a question..i didn " t think there was anything that could

> cause my attacks to come on, but my own fears....is that true.?..what i mean

> is that i bring them on myself...if i am wrong please let me know....The

> doctors that I have seen, all have there own ideas. three of the doctors that

> i have seen in the past 6 years diagnosed me totally different. it drives me

> up the wall sometimes....michelle

>

> > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I don't know how much this will help but Bach Flower Essence, about 36 of them,

all deal with various emotional aspects and may benefit you in several ways.

Would you know if you have access to any of these? You would find them in

Organic grocery stores or herb stores, sometimes vitamin stores (not GNC).

a

Pinkrose35@... wrote:

>

> From: Pinkrose35@...

>

> since i do suffer from panic disorders, i would like to ask the ones who are

> in the health field a question..i didn " t think there was anything that could

> cause my attacks to come on, but my own fears....is that true.?..what i mean

> is that i bring them on myself...if i am wrong please let me know....The

> doctors that I have seen, all have there own ideas. three of the doctors that

> i have seen in the past 6 years diagnosed me totally different. it drives me

> up the wall sometimes....michelle

>

> > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

[Guest guest]

Noone was trying to malign your character. My doctor's info came from a

psychiactric journal published this year. I was only trying to point out that

even if you have been in the health care field forever, there are new things to

learn every day, especially about disorders such as mine and that people should

be a little more sensitive. This group has always been very supportive, which is

why I continue to stay with it, but I don't like someone trying to make me look

like a fool when I am just trying to gather info and give info. I thought that

was what we are all here for.

JVE123@... wrote:

> From: JVE123@...

>

> In a message dated 12/08/1999 7:22:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> gypsygal@... writes:

>

> << " Tilting the

> windmills " >>

>

[Guest guest]

Noone was trying to malign your character. My doctor's info came from a

psychiactric journal published this year. I was only trying to point out that

even if you have been in the health care field forever, there are new things to

learn every day, especially about disorders such as mine and that people should

be a little more sensitive. This group has always been very supportive, which is

why I continue to stay with it, but I don't like someone trying to make me look

like a fool when I am just trying to gather info and give info. I thought that

was what we are all here for.

JVE123@... wrote:

> From: JVE123@...

>

> In a message dated 12/08/1999 7:22:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> gypsygal@... writes:

>

> << " Tilting the

> windmills " >>

>

[Guest guest]

I also went to Medscape and was unable to locate the information. I really

would be interested in seeing this. Can you please tell me where I can find the

information to support the effects of LR on panic attacks.

[Guest guest]

I also went to Medscape and was unable to locate the information. I really

would be interested in seeing this. Can you please tell me where I can find the

information to support the effects of LR on panic attacks.

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the medscape.com site. I went there and there is a lot of

very useful information. It is very up to date on new ideas and

procedures. Medicine changes so quickly, just like the computer field.

It's hard for everyone to be up to date on everything new.

Thank you for enlightening me on the lactated ringers solution. While I

don't have panic disorders, I do suffer from clinical depression.

Illnesses of this sort are hard for people to understand unless they too

suffer from them.

I wish you well and hope Dr.R reconsiders you for surgery. Good luck!

Tina

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the medscape.com site. I went there and there is a lot of

very useful information. It is very up to date on new ideas and

procedures. Medicine changes so quickly, just like the computer field.

It's hard for everyone to be up to date on everything new.

Thank you for enlightening me on the lactated ringers solution. While I

don't have panic disorders, I do suffer from clinical depression.

Illnesses of this sort are hard for people to understand unless they too

suffer from them.

I wish you well and hope Dr.R reconsiders you for surgery. Good luck!

Tina

[Guest guest]

I went to Medscape and first registered as a member and then put in the search

Lactated ringer use with panic and came up with several articles

Dee in NC

APEXKAS@... wrote:

> From: APEXKAS@...

>

> I also went to Medscape and was unable to locate the information.

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much Tina. It is a very good site and I appreciate your support.

Dee in NC

Tina wrote:

>

>

> Thank you for the medscape.com site. I went there and there is a lot of

> very useful information.

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much Tina. It is a very good site and I appreciate your support.

Dee in NC

Tina wrote:

>

>

> Thank you for the medscape.com site. I went there and there is a lot of

> very useful information.

[Guest guest]

You can also go to www.ferretsoft.com and get the free webferret download. This

uses 6 different search engines to simultaneously search for

phrases. It has and/or, exact phrase, etc. capabilities. Very easy to use.

gypsygal@... wrote:

> From: gypsygal@...

>

> I went to Medscape and first registered as a member and then put in the search

Lactated ringer use with panic and came up with several articles

> Dee in NC

>

> APEXKAS@... wrote:

>

> > From: APEXKAS@...

> >

> > I also went to Medscape and was unable to locate the information.

>

> > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net