Re: to Herx or Not

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In a message dated 9/14/2004 10:52:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,

slfain@... writes:

doing the chelations to rid the body of metals etc.

My doctor has suggested this, but I'm not convinced. I read about EDTA and

am not sure whether or not this is a good trade off. Why put another poison

in my body? I've talked to others who say after years of chelation there's

no change in the RA.

It's also very expensive and not covered by insurance.

How does one make the decision to use this?

Jill

[Guest guest]

Jill,

What is this 'EDTA trade off' that you speak of? I am just curious.

Also, is chelation the same as the electromagnetic scanner that sends

pulses into the joints? I have been thinking about doing this.

Thanks,

Mel

Re: rheumatic to Herx or Not

In a message dated 9/14/2004 10:52:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,

slfain@... writes:

doing the chelations to rid the body of metals etc.

My doctor has suggested this, but I'm not convinced. I read about EDTA

and

am not sure whether or not this is a good trade off. Why put another

poison

in my body? I've talked to others who say after years of chelation

there's

no change in the RA.

It's also very expensive and not covered by insurance.

How does one make the decision to use this?

Jill

[Guest guest]

Jill, EDTA is not poison. It is a synthetic amino acid first produced in

Germany in 1930, and is used as a stabilizer in food. I can tell you some

amazing stories on it's use. Also, five years ago, my husband and I both

had 34 infusions. I did it as a preventive but my husband did it to deal

with angina and claudication issues - where walking caused pain in his legs

due to lack of proper circulation. After somewhere between 6 and 8

infusions, these problems disappeared. Upon completion of the therapy, our

doctor sent him to a heart lab for a complete workup. Doctors told this 75

year old man that he had the heart of a 40 year old. Today,, in addition to

diet, etc., he follows Dr. Matthias Rath's formula to keep the arteries

healthy.

In addition to EDTA, the therapy includes vitamins and minerals. If memory

serves me correctly, it was first approved for removal of lead from the

body. Today it has multiple uses - still not approved by the FDA after

multiple studies showing its effectiveness - especially in cardiovascular

disease. Another one of those money issues. I think there is a large

study now being conducted under FDA guidelines, but whether it will be

published when completed is anybody's guess.

's doctor used chelation to remove heavy metals from her body. An

added benefit is 'cleaned' out arteries, lowering of BP if that was an

issue, and lowering of cholesterol. It's been used to restore mental

clarity in dementia caused by lack of oxygen to the brain due to hardening

of the arteries to the brain and direct brain cell damage by toxins.

Chelation alone will not improve disease. It's just one of several

detoxification steps that help restore the body back to balance and health.

Others procedures would include parasite, bowel (colonics?) and

liver/gallbladder cleansing and the use of an easily constructed

(inexpensive) far-infrared sauna.

talked about doing the ION foot baths to clear toxins. The monthly

magazine " Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients " recently featured an

article about them, and I recently met with a doctor who offered them in his

clinic and let me try it. Remember, I'm very careful with diet, making sure

I drink adequate amounts of water, have proper bowel elimination, take

excellent supplements, exercise, do periodic detox procedures, and yet the

water was filthy. The need for detoxing is ongoing - healthy or sick. I

recently found instructions for making your own foot bath.

The road to wellness starts with enhancing the immune system through proper

diet and appropriate supplements, adequate hydration and elimination. Next

comes detoxification therapies. Theoretically, the antibiotics are only

used to lower the toxic load until you have your body back in balance again.

Lyme disease patients deal with an organism much more difficult to eradicate

than the ones we deal with. I've run across a number of them now using

frequency devices with good success - eliminating the use of antibiotics

altogether. Even with these devices (much safer than drugs) it's a long

term therapy. This therapy should be effective for the inflammatory

rheumatic diseases as well. Also, some of you may have lyme and not a

rheumatic disease. Lyme mimics these rheumatic diseases. Marge, who posts

here, is now using a frequency device along with NAET (an allergy

elimination therapy) after years of using antibiotics.

The goal of this list is to help you find the road back to wellness using

therapies that contribute to healing the body in a safe, effective manner.

Ethel

Recommended reading - The Chelation Answer by Morton in consultation

with Garry Gordon, M.D., the " father " of the therapy. Dr. Gordon has

formulated an oral product that can be used in place of the IVs. Another

oral product would be LipoFlow-EDTA. I have not run across anyone using

these products yet so cannot report on their effectiveness.

Re: rheumatic to Herx or Not

>

> In a message dated 9/14/2004 10:52:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> slfain@... writes:

>

> doing the chelations to rid the body of metals etc.

>

>

> My doctor has suggested this, but I'm not convinced. I read about EDTA

and

> am not sure whether or not this is a good trade off. Why put another

poison

> in my body? I've talked to others who say after years of chelation

there's

> no change in the RA.

>

> It's also very expensive and not covered by insurance.

>

> How does one make the decision to use this?

>

> Jill

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill & Mel! Geoff here.

Jill wrote:

> doing the chelations to rid the body of metals etc. My

> doctor has suggested this, but I'm not convinced. I

> read about EDTA and am not sure whether or not this

> is a good trade off. Why put another poison in my body?

> I've talked to others who say after years of chelation

> there's no change in the RA.

Mel wrote:

> What is this 'EDTA trade off' that you speak of? I am just curious.

> Also, is chelation the same as the electromagnetic scanner that

> sends pulses into the joints? I have been thinking about doing this.

EDTA Chelation is approved, and insurance reimbursed, for lead poisoning in

the United States. It has been used as the first line for coronary disease,

specifically plaque build-up, in Europe for years, although it is not

approved as such here. Many believe that non-approval is strictly

profit-dictated, but that is another issue. EDTA is generally considered

safe and effective, the most common problems being associated with the

mechanics of administration, i.e., but punctures, excessive speed of

administration, failure to include supplementation, etc.

Chelation is an intravenous treatment, EDTA is the active ingredient

infused. It has no relationship whatsoever to the electromagnetic therapy

which works on resonance. For more information regarding EDTA and coronary

diseases, see the book, " Bypassing Bypass " , by Elmer Cranton, MD, et al.

As to whether or not EDTA chelation is useful for rheumatics is another

issue altogether, and one that depends strictly on the individual. For

instance, if your RA is related to environmental toxins such as heavy metal

poisoning, it may prove very helpful. However, if not, or if that is only

one facet of a very complex piece, you may not notice any improvement even

if there is some vis a vis, lessening the load on your immune system.

One HUGE issue to keep in mind is this: the type of metals being removed.

Sometimes removing the metal can be more dangerous than leaving it alone and

this requires careful scrutiny.

HTH

Geoff

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