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Dear fellows,

I know most of you are in quite bad shape and suffering, so I

apologize if I am causing you trouble with my writing ... I hope

will help us all somehow ...

Unfortunately my situation is a such that I really am in need of

URGENT Help, and cant help it ... !

I have a suggested diagnostic of

1. Enthesitis /Periostitis in the sitting ischio-pubian area (exact

etiologic cause is not quite clear). This condition caused me to

stop working 3 years ago, financially I cannot last much longer

unless I do something quick ...!

A Dr suggested Seronegative Spondyloarthropathy subdivision Reactive

Arthritis. Have taken oral Clindamycin 300mg 3 x day for 3 days, 2

x day for another 7 days (10 days in total) once in Sept 2004,

second time in Nov 2004.

Cannot say it did help, except I felt better the first time only (in

Sept) for the first 4 days with nose, mouth, teeth, tongue, upper

respiratory tract, slept better. After the first 4 days, nose and

throat became more dry then before, tongue is more white, and the

POSITIVE effect did not repeat in Nov, but the tongue became more

white and all more dry.

Lab test says is NOT Candida - A good question what is it? I am

awaiting new Lab Tests results in days ... Is it all related to

autoimmune disorders (Sjogren /Sicca Syndrome?) I do not know

enough !

A Bone Scan shows a point of inflammation in the under-pubic area,

and in fact it may be more then just this ...

2. Myofasciitis (which is very similar or related to

Fibromyalgia ...?). I do have a history of overuse through sitting

in 2000, which triggered my currently chronic sitting pain .

3. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (I recently realized I had it in various

degrees for about 20 years, between the age of 20 to current - I am

now 41 (in 2004)).

4. Irritable Bowel Syndrome the Dr says, (for me the primary

manifestation is abnormal soft to diarrheic stool, no abdominal pain

at least as of yet).

Clindamycin regulated the stool, but effects are not lasting more

then 1.5 months. The side effects of Clindamycin seem to great to

continue ...

==

As an additional symptom I get lots of rectal itching and occasional

degenerates to what I believe is like Hemorrhoidal Pain, was to 5

Proctologist, they say beside a bit of cream is nothing major there.

On the other hand I read on

http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/g144.htm MYCOPLASMA, CHLAMYDIA

AND UREAPLASMA (pathogens without cell wall - or something to that

effect ...)

==

A. I learned of Dr Browns Protocol http://www.rheumatic.org/ ,

B. More recently I learned of Marshall Protocol

http://www.sarcinfo.com/ , http://www.marshallprotocol.com/ , other

related sites.

To me it seems that Marshal Protocol is an updated version, new,

complete of Dr Brown's Protocol.

I will keep looking for information, but I feel weaker and weaker as

time goes on, I MUST DO something PRACTICAL.

I WORK TO SEND A LAB TEST FOR VITAMIN D (as per Marshal Protocol),

to be my Christmas Gift ... Any thoughts? Is quite expensive for me

here (from Romania). Is there a good reason why some people still do

Dr Brown, as opposite to Marshall?

Can anybody post picture and practical advice regarding frozen

shipment with dry ice (if I am not mistaken ?). Where to typically

get Dry Ice from? I asked several Medical Labs, but they tell me

they only ship National, by refrigerated truck, no experience with

Dry Ice. Entertainment Industry?

DO YOU KNOW ANY OTHER GREAT DIAGNOSTIC AND TREATMENTS LIKE Dr Brown

and Marshall , or is that all?

Doctors give me NSAID, Anti-depressives, Sulfasazaline, but I am not

taking them because I know this are symptomatic treatments, at best

stopping the pathology (Sulfasazaline), but not etiologic. NSAID and

Cortisone failed to provide any relief of the sitting pain, and not

even remotely are they addressing the Chronic Fatigue component.

I am trying to post on a Web Site my Lab Tests and All Symptoms, but

I see that days and even weeks went by without me succeeding to

accomplish the " perfect " posting, so today I put together this

present posting to just MOVE FORWARDS, AWAITING with much interest

your reactions... THANK YOU IN ADVANCE !

Some of the Other Topics and approaches that I plan to investigate:

1. Visit more Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), Chronic Fatigue Immune

Deficiency Syndrome (CFIDS), Fibromyalgia (FM), Rheumatic sites to

see if I can find more ETIOLOGIC, ground braking treatments like Dr

Brown's and Marshall ... cause I do not like the NSAID,

Corticosteroid, Sulfasazaline, Methotrexate, etc path ...

2. Post a picture of my white tongue (primarily was the back of it,

after recent Clindamycin is a bit more ...)and understand why for

20 years doctors were unable to tell me what it was, and it does not

come back as Candida form Lab Test, but they are unable to tell me

what it is. Might be Sjogren Syndrome (Sicca Syndrome), BUT I must

say that I have a Metallic Taste and teethe get a white deposit

which I clean al least daily (this disappeared in Sept for 4 days

with Clindamycin). I have saliva on the tongue, is not entirely dry,

for the time being it only feels like dry, but is actually not dry

as of yet, I should probably call it Metallic Taste (?).

3. A doctor told me to investigate Hepatitis C (in 2003 I vaccinated

for Hepatitis A and B - even though now I learn that this kind of

vaccine as well may cause problems

http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/4448/e/1/T/CF

IDS_FM/ Until now I cannot say I have pain at the place of vaccine

in muscles of the upper arm, in fact was subcutaneous - or am I

mistaken ? I may have to ask the place ... !). Reading on the

Internet I found that indeed Hepatitis C typically evolves quietly

for 20 years, and patients only learn about it when liver is already

damaged ... , so I though to investigate it out. This coming Fr I

get back the Lab Test Results ...

4. I already initiated contact with Labs for Marshall Vitamin D

Tests (not progressing very well, as of yet ...), I REALLY WANT TO

TRY THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY GOOD OPTION, UNLESS YOU TELL ME

DIFFERENT ... !

5. I tried and tried to find a Dr. to understand Marshall or at

least Dr Brown, here in Bucharest /Romania where I live in exile. I

found one nice Dr but 500km away (he did a Dr Degree in this

direction, and was the first to indicate Dr Brown's Protocol to

me ...). I keep a bit longer in trying to find one in Bucharest.

Probably if I am lucky Marshall Group already has one, I must

contact them a.s.a.p. Otherwise I will travel to the one I have at

500 Km's. We are " pen palls " anyway.

6. The recent posting POTASSIUM DEFICIENCY AS A CAUSE OF RHEUMATOID

ARTHRITIS puzzled me, happy to find one more cause, but does not

seem a treatment plan does exist as it is the case with Marshall,

what would Marshal think of that, I plan to submit question. ... ,

hope I get to do it ... !

Well, I guess this is enough, if I forgot something I will get back

later, better one day I will revise it and post it on a Web THANK

YOU ALL !

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rheumatic 2004-12-13 A Honest Request for Help

Dear fellows,

I know most of you are in quite bad shape and suffering, so I

apologize if I am causing you trouble with my writing ... I hope

will help us all somehow ...

Unfortunately my situation is a such that I really am in need of

URGENT Help, and cant help it ... !

I have a suggested diagnostic of

1. Enthesitis /Periostitis in the sitting ischio-pubian area (exact

etiologic cause is not quite clear). This condition caused me to

stop working 3 years ago, financially I cannot last much longer

unless I do something quick ...!

A Dr suggested Seronegative Spondyloarthropathy subdivision Reactive

Arthritis. Have taken oral Clindamycin 300mg 3 x day for 3 days, 2

x day for another 7 days (10 days in total) once in Sept 2004,

second time in Nov 2004.

Cannot say it did help, except I felt better the first time only (in

Sept) for the first 4 days with nose, mouth, teeth, tongue, upper

respiratory tract, slept better. After the first 4 days, nose and

throat became more dry then before, tongue is more white, and the

POSITIVE effect did not repeat in Nov, but the tongue became more

white and all more dry.

Lab test says is NOT Candida - A good question what is it?

Candida is Candida albicans, a fungus that can cause LGS (leaky gut syndrome)

and thereby lead to AS. Anal itching is one of many obvious signs of

candidiasis. It is usually involved in CFS (chronic fatigue syndrome).

I am

awaiting new Lab Tests results in days ... Is it all related to

autoimmune disorders (Sjogren /Sicca Syndrome?) I do not know

enough !

A Bone Scan shows a point of inflammation in the under-pubic area,

and in fact it may be more then just this ...

2. Myofasciitis (which is very similar or related to

Fibromyalgia ...?). I do have a history of overuse through sitting

in 2000, which triggered my currently chronic sitting pain .

3. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (I recently realized I had it in various

degrees for about 20 years, between the age of 20 to current - I am

now 41 (in 2004)).

4. Irritable Bowel Syndrome the Dr says, (for me the primary

manifestation is abnormal soft to diarrheic stool, no abdominal pain

at least as of yet).

Clindamycin regulated the stool, but effects are not lasting more

then 1.5 months. The side effects of Clindamycin seem to great to

continue ...

==

As an additional symptom I get lots of rectal itching and occasional

degenerates to what I believe is like Hemorrhoidal Pain, was to 5

Proctologist, they say beside a bit of cream is nothing major there.

On the other hand I read on

http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/g144.htm MYCOPLASMA, CHLAMYDIA

AND UREAPLASMA (pathogens without cell wall - or something to that

effect ...)

==

A. I learned of Dr Browns Protocol http://www.rheumatic.org/ ,

B. More recently I learned of Marshall Protocol

http://www.sarcinfo.com/ , http://www.marshallprotocol.com/ , other

related sites.

To me it seems that Marshal Protocol is an updated version, new,

complete of Dr Brown's Protocol.

I will keep looking for information, but I feel weaker and weaker as

time goes on, I MUST DO something PRACTICAL.

I WORK TO SEND A LAB TEST FOR VITAMIN D (as per Marshal Protocol),

to be my Christmas Gift ... Any thoughts? Is quite expensive for me

here (from Romania). Is there a good reason why some people still do

Dr Brown, as opposite to Marshall?

FORGET vitD testing! Just eat plenty of eggs and get some extra sunlight

daily. Take cod liver oil every night before retiring, and if you can find

flaxseed oil, borage seed oil (or evening primrose oil), salmon oil take these

also, along with vitE (1400IU) and cold-pressed extra-virgin olive oil: 5-10

grams every evening before retiring.

INSTEAD of this test, the HLA B27 test could be performed--but I would not

even do this...since I am convinced you do have AS; don't wait for MORE DAMAGE

before you eliminate starches (especially refined) and all fried foods and

certainly soluble starch (potatoes) from your diet. Begin today.

Can anybody post picture and practical advice regarding frozen

shipment with dry ice (if I am not mistaken ?). Where to typically

get Dry Ice from? I asked several Medical Labs, but they tell me

they only ship National, by refrigerated truck, no experience with

Dry Ice. Entertainment Industry?

DO YOU KNOW ANY OTHER GREAT DIAGNOSTIC AND TREATMENTS LIKE Dr Brown

and Marshall , or is that all?

Doctors give me NSAID, Anti-depressives, Sulfasazaline,

If you could find ENTERIC-COATED sulfasalazine, it would be many times more

effective in treating your condition.

but I am not

taking them because I know this are symptomatic treatments, at best

stopping the pathology (Sulfasazaline), but not etiologic. NSAID and

Cortisone failed to provide any relief of the sitting pain, and not

even remotely are they addressing the Chronic Fatigue component.

I am trying to post on a Web Site my Lab Tests and All Symptoms, but

I see that days and even weeks went by without me succeeding to

accomplish the " perfect " posting, so today I put together this

present posting to just MOVE FORWARDS, AWAITING with much interest

your reactions... THANK YOU IN ADVANCE !

Some of the Other Topics and approaches that I plan to investigate:

1. Visit more Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), Chronic Fatigue Immune

Deficiency Syndrome (CFIDS), Fibromyalgia (FM), Rheumatic sites to

see if I can find more ETIOLOGIC, ground braking treatments like Dr

Brown's and Marshall ... cause I do not like the NSAID,

Corticosteroid, Sulfasazaline, Methotrexate, etc path ...

2. Post a picture of my white tongue (primarily was the back of it,

after recent Clindamycin is a bit more ...)and understand why for

20 years doctors were unable to tell me what it was, and it does not

come back as Candida form Lab Test, but they are unable to tell me

what it is. Might be Sjogren Syndrome (Sicca Syndrome), BUT I must

say that I have a Metallic Taste and teethe get a white deposit

which I clean al least daily (this disappeared in Sept for 4 days

with Clindamycin). I have saliva on the tongue, is not entirely dry,

for the time being it only feels like dry, but is actually not dry

as of yet, I should probably call it Metallic Taste (?).

Get a glass of water to spit into upon arising first thing in morning. The

spittle might have little filaments which go down to the bottom of the

glass--that is a sign of candidiasis (everyone has C. albicans, but OVERGROWTH

will affect the entire alimentary tract). If you do have candidiasis, you will

have to eat a high-protein diet that excludes all sugar (even from fruit!)--and

treat this aggressively with caprylic acid (2500mg/day for no more than six

weeks), colloidal silver, and garlic. No alcohol in any form!

3. A doctor told me to investigate Hepatitis C (in 2003 I vaccinated

for Hepatitis A and B - even though now I learn that this kind of

vaccine as well may cause problems

http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/4448/e/1/T/CF

IDS_FM/ Until now I cannot say I have pain at the place of vaccine

in muscles of the upper arm, in fact was subcutaneous - or am I

mistaken ? I may have to ask the place ... !). Reading on the

Internet I found that indeed Hepatitis C typically evolves quietly

for 20 years, and patients only learn about it when liver is already

damaged ... , so I though to investigate it out. This coming Fr I

get back the Lab Test Results ...

4. I already initiated contact with Labs for Marshall Vitamin D

Tests (not progressing very well, as of yet ...), I REALLY WANT TO

TRY THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY GOOD OPTION, UNLESS YOU TELL ME

DIFFERENT ... !

5. I tried and tried to find a Dr. to understand Marshall or at

least Dr Brown, here in Bucharest /Romania where I live in exile. I

found one nice Dr but 500km away (he did a Dr Degree in this

direction, and was the first to indicate Dr Brown's Protocol to

me ...). I keep a bit longer in trying to find one in Bucharest.

Probably if I am lucky Marshall Group already has one, I must

contact them a.s.a.p. Otherwise I will travel to the one I have at

500 Km's. We are " pen palls " anyway.

6. The recent posting POTASSIUM DEFICIENCY AS A CAUSE OF RHEUMATOID

ARTHRITIS puzzled me, happy to find one more cause, but does not

seem a treatment plan does exist as it is the case with Marshall,

what would Marshal think of that, I plan to submit question. ... ,

hope I get to do it ... !

Well, I guess this is enough, if I forgot something I will get back

later, better one day I will revise it and post it on a Web THANK

YOU ALL !

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Dear ,

Thank You SO MUCH for your swift reply!

Starting from your past posting(s) I educated myself about

Ankylosing Spondylitis (AS) and recommended ALL that to a friend who

has a " certified " diagnostic with this condition. He has visible

markings on the Sacroiliac joint, and indeed cannot bend and has

pain when trying to do so. As of yet he does not have the " bamboo "

lower back imaging (if I am not mistaken - I do not recall if this

IS or OS NOT specific for this condition ...).

I DO NOT HAVE LOWER BACK PAIN (as of yet at least - I have other

pains as described instead ...) ...

ALL my Lab Tests and Imaging for Rheumatic Conditions are NEGATIVE

(unlike my friend ...) (hence my Seronegative Spondyloarthropathy

suggested diagnostic ... ?!). I believe he has a Positive C-

Reactive Protein, and perhaps more, I will add to my page his exact

condition. Can you please indicate how is your case vis a vis such

Lab Tests? IN NO WAY I expect you to write them up for me now, but

you can indicate a personal page you might have, or paste existing

info. I WILL DO MY BEST TO POST ALL MY INFO IN A DEDICATED WEB PAGE

SOON !

Honestly I do not think I can withstand so many Antibiotics, as my

recent experience with Clindamycin was not that great, I tend to get

more Metallic Taste in my moth and dry nose, etc ... Then the

financial aspect on the long run, remember I am off work going on

three years by now ... !

In my page I will state that in several occasions I experienced

great relief with antibiotics (in 1994 was a fantastic event based

upon Tri-Sulfametoxazol (?) which I understand is sold /known as

Biseptol (one commercial name ...?), but even though FANTASTIC, they

all were SHORT LIVED, and when repeated months or years later with

the same antibiotic the positive reactions unfortunately did NOT

REPEAT. This caused most of my doctors to tell me it was the Placebo

effect. I DOUBT IT! ... but fact remains they tend to not work the

second time.

I look forwards to stay in touch with you, as I noted you are a

knowledgeable fellow and YOUR SHARED EXPERIENCE MAKES ALL THE

DIFFERENCE TO ME AND US.

You mention several viruses, but how are we going to test for them

and antibiotics do not work on them.

Candida, yes it can be a problem, even though in my case ALL

attempts to date came back NEGATIVE on Candida, and the people from

the lab start telling me about refluxes from stomach, etc which I

cannot confirm ...

PLEASE, when possible post your valuable knowledge on a web page (on

Geocities ?), question by question and topic by topic, so that

you can educate us with your valuable knowledge and experience

without causing a burden to yourself. I noticed I can build a web in

MS FrontPage (for example), and then load each page and picture to

(FrontPage extensions do not work for free accounts ...).

By the way WHO in this group has or knows a place /server where we

can post personal pages with FrontPage Extensions (so that update of

the page can be automated ...) for free (due to my unstable

financial condition I feel reluctant to pay 5$/month, even though

ultimately I will probably have to choose to do so ...).

What do you actually believe of Marshall Protocol? Would not work

for you? I believe AS is as well an autoimmune condition, perhaps as

well involving Th1 (I believe this means T Cells , Helper, type 1

etc ...)

>

> rheumatic 2004-12-13 A Honest Request for Help

>

>

>

> Dear fellows,

>

> I know most of you are in quite bad shape and suffering, so I

> apologize if I am causing you trouble with my writing ... I hope

> will help us all somehow ...

>

>

> Unfortunately my situation is a such that I really am in need of

> URGENT Help, and cant help it ... !

> I have a suggested diagnostic of

>

> 1. Enthesitis /Periostitis in the sitting ischio-pubian area

(exact

> etiologic cause is not quite clear). This condition caused me to

> stop working 3 years ago, financially I cannot last much longer

> unless I do something quick ...!

>

> A Dr suggested Seronegative Spondyloarthropathy subdivision

Reactive

> Arthritis. Have taken oral Clindamycin 300mg 3 x day for 3

days, 2

> x day for another 7 days (10 days in total) once in Sept 2004,

> second time in Nov 2004.

> Cannot say it did help, except I felt better the first time only

(in

> Sept) for the first 4 days with nose, mouth, teeth, tongue,

upper

> respiratory tract, slept better. After the first 4 days, nose

and

> throat became more dry then before, tongue is more white, and

the

> POSITIVE effect did not repeat in Nov, but the tongue became

more

> white and all more dry.

> Lab test says is NOT Candida - A good question what is it?

>

> Candida is Candida albicans, a fungus that can cause LGS (leaky

gut syndrome) and thereby lead to AS. Anal itching is one of many

obvious signs of candidiasis. It is usually involved in CFS

(chronic fatigue syndrome).

>

>

> I am

> awaiting new Lab Tests results in days ... Is it all related to

> autoimmune disorders (Sjogren /Sicca Syndrome?) I do not know

> enough !

>

> A Bone Scan shows a point of inflammation in the under-pubic

area,

> and in fact it may be more then just this ...

>

>

> 2. Myofasciitis (which is very similar or related to

> Fibromyalgia ...?). I do have a history of overuse through

sitting

> in 2000, which triggered my currently chronic sitting pain .

>

> 3. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (I recently realized I had it in

various

> degrees for about 20 years, between the age of 20 to current -

I am

> now 41 (in 2004)).

>

> 4. Irritable Bowel Syndrome the Dr says, (for me the primary

> manifestation is abnormal soft to diarrheic stool, no abdominal

pain

> at least as of yet).

> Clindamycin regulated the stool, but effects are not lasting

more

> then 1.5 months. The side effects of Clindamycin seem to great

to

> continue ...

>

>

> ==

> As an additional symptom I get lots of rectal itching and

occasional

> degenerates to what I believe is like Hemorrhoidal Pain, was to

5

> Proctologist, they say beside a bit of cream is nothing major

there.

> On the other hand I read on

> http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/g144.htm MYCOPLASMA,

CHLAMYDIA

> AND UREAPLASMA (pathogens without cell wall - or something to

that

> effect ...)

> ==

>

>

> A. I learned of Dr Browns Protocol http://www.rheumatic.org/ ,

>

> B. More recently I learned of Marshall Protocol

> http://www.sarcinfo.com/ , http://www.marshallprotocol.com/ ,

other

> related sites.

>

> To me it seems that Marshal Protocol is an updated version, new,

> complete of Dr Brown's Protocol.

> I will keep looking for information, but I feel weaker and

weaker as

> time goes on, I MUST DO something PRACTICAL.

>

> I WORK TO SEND A LAB TEST FOR VITAMIN D (as per Marshal

Protocol),

> to be my Christmas Gift ... Any thoughts? Is quite expensive for

me

> here (from Romania). Is there a good reason why some people

still do

> Dr Brown, as opposite to Marshall?

>

> FORGET vitD testing! Just eat plenty of eggs and get some extra

sunlight daily. Take cod liver oil every night before retiring, and

if you can find flaxseed oil, borage seed oil (or evening primrose

oil), salmon oil take these also, along with vitE (1400IU) and cold-

pressed extra-virgin olive oil: 5-10 grams every evening before

retiring.

> INSTEAD of this test, the HLA B27 test could be performed--but I

would not even do this...since I am convinced you do have AS; don't

wait for MORE DAMAGE before you eliminate starches (especially

refined) and all fried foods and certainly soluble starch (potatoes)

from your diet. Begin today.

>

>

> Can anybody post picture and practical advice regarding frozen

> shipment with dry ice (if I am not mistaken ?). Where to

typically

> get Dry Ice from? I asked several Medical Labs, but they tell me

> they only ship National, by refrigerated truck, no experience

with

> Dry Ice. Entertainment Industry?

>

> DO YOU KNOW ANY OTHER GREAT DIAGNOSTIC AND TREATMENTS LIKE Dr

Brown

> and Marshall , or is that all?

> Doctors give me NSAID, Anti-depressives, Sulfasazaline,

>

> If you could find ENTERIC-COATED sulfasalazine, it would be many

times more effective in treating your condition.

>

>

> but I am not

> taking them because I know this are symptomatic treatments, at

best

> stopping the pathology (Sulfasazaline), but not etiologic. NSAID

and

> Cortisone failed to provide any relief of the sitting pain, and

not

> even remotely are they addressing the Chronic Fatigue component.

>

> I am trying to post on a Web Site my Lab Tests and All Symptoms,

but

> I see that days and even weeks went by without me succeeding to

> accomplish the " perfect " posting, so today I put together this

> present posting to just MOVE FORWARDS, AWAITING with much

interest

> your reactions... THANK YOU IN ADVANCE !

>

>

>

> Some of the Other Topics and approaches that I plan to

investigate:

> 1. Visit more Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), Chronic Fatigue

Immune

> Deficiency Syndrome (CFIDS), Fibromyalgia (FM), Rheumatic sites

to

> see if I can find more ETIOLOGIC, ground braking treatments like

Dr

> Brown's and Marshall ... cause I do not like the NSAID,

> Corticosteroid, Sulfasazaline, Methotrexate, etc path ...

>

> 2. Post a picture of my white tongue (primarily was the back of

it,

> after recent Clindamycin is a bit more ...)and understand why

for

> 20 years doctors were unable to tell me what it was, and it does

not

> come back as Candida form Lab Test, but they are unable to tell

me

> what it is. Might be Sjogren Syndrome (Sicca Syndrome), BUT I

must

> say that I have a Metallic Taste and teethe get a white deposit

> which I clean al least daily (this disappeared in Sept for 4

days

> with Clindamycin). I have saliva on the tongue, is not entirely

dry,

> for the time being it only feels like dry, but is actually not

dry

> as of yet, I should probably call it Metallic Taste (?).

>

> Get a glass of water to spit into upon arising first thing in

morning. The spittle might have little filaments which go down to

the bottom of the glass--that is a sign of candidiasis (everyone has

C. albicans, but OVERGROWTH will affect the entire alimentary

tract). If you do have candidiasis, you will have to eat a high-

protein diet that excludes all sugar (even from fruit!)--and treat

this aggressively with caprylic acid (2500mg/day for no more than

six weeks), colloidal silver, and garlic. No alcohol in any form!

>

>

>

>

> 3. A doctor told me to investigate Hepatitis C (in 2003 I

vaccinated

> for Hepatitis A and B - even though now I learn that this kind

of

> vaccine as well may cause problems

>

http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/4448/e/1/T/CF

> IDS_FM/ Until now I cannot say I have pain at the place of

vaccine

> in muscles of the upper arm, in fact was subcutaneous - or am I

> mistaken ? I may have to ask the place ... !). Reading on the

> Internet I found that indeed Hepatitis C typically evolves

quietly

> for 20 years, and patients only learn about it when liver is

already

> damaged ... , so I though to investigate it out. This coming Fr

I

> get back the Lab Test Results ...

>

> 4. I already initiated contact with Labs for Marshall Vitamin D

> Tests (not progressing very well, as of yet ...), I REALLY WANT

TO

> TRY THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY GOOD OPTION, UNLESS YOU TELL ME

> DIFFERENT ... !

>

> 5. I tried and tried to find a Dr. to understand Marshall or at

> least Dr Brown, here in Bucharest /Romania where I live in

exile. I

> found one nice Dr but 500km away (he did a Dr Degree in this

> direction, and was the first to indicate Dr Brown's Protocol to

> me ...). I keep a bit longer in trying to find one in Bucharest.

> Probably if I am lucky Marshall Group already has one, I must

> contact them a.s.a.p. Otherwise I will travel to the one I have

at

> 500 Km's. We are " pen palls " anyway.

>

> 6. The recent posting POTASSIUM DEFICIENCY AS A CAUSE OF

RHEUMATOID

> ARTHRITIS puzzled me, happy to find one more cause, but does not

> seem a treatment plan does exist as it is the case with

Marshall,

> what would Marshal think of that, I plan to submit

question. ... ,

> hope I get to do it ... !

>

> Well, I guess this is enough, if I forgot something I will get

back

> later, better one day I will revise it and post it on a Web

THANK

> YOU ALL !

>

>

>

>

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear ,

We have a Romanian doctor who uses antibiotic therapy and who has

helped us here in our group. You might like to contact him about your

condition.

Dr. Markus Sorin,

Str. Prof. , Nr 3, home – Apelor Str,

Bl325, scB, et1, ap5

B1337, ScA, Et3, AP13, IASI, 6600,

jud Iasi

IASI 6600,

ROMANIA

Romania.

markus@...

markus@...

drmarkuss2@...

drmarkuss1@... or

'phone Romania 0040/745/631438.

Dr. Sorin's protocol is in Romanian on our web page and I have copied

it here.

Chris.

PROTOCOL FOR USING ANTIBIOTICS IN THE TREATMENT OF RHEUMATIC DISEASES

Principalul mecanism patogenic consta intr-o hipersensibilizare mediata

celular si persistenta creata prin expunerea indelungata la antigene

erivate dintr-o sursa microbiana invizibila, obscura, si anume

mycoplasme si forme L bacteriene. Mycoplasmele isi produc efectele

patogenice la om nu prin metoda clasica a invaziei si distructiei

tisulare extinse, ci printr-un raspuns mediat celular determina un

parazitism intracelular de lunga durata, cu eliberare intermitenta de

antigene din celula, care produce sensibilizarea graduala a gazdei.

Progresia acestor boli se produce prin hiperreactivitatea tesuturilor

gazda cu ajungerea la stari perimune si autoimune ( prin dezvoltarea de

reactii incrucisate prin asemanare moleculara).Aceasta etapa hiperimuna

e expresia celei de-a doua linii de aparare a sistemului imun, si era

tinta tratamentului conventional. Focusul terapeutic trebuie insa sa ie

eliminarea micoplasmelor ca sursa antigenica principala.

Citeva proprietati biologice ale mycoplasmelor trebuie precizate aici

pentru a intelege mai bine virulenta acestor infectii lente: rezidenta

intracelulara care protejeaza mycoplasmele de mecani smele de aparare

si de tratamentele mycoplasmicide, permitind un parazitism de lunga

durata cu eliberare intermitenta de antigene, ceea ce duce la boli

cronice generare de radicali liberi de oxigen prin distrugerea

membranei celulelor invadate a unei structuri asemanatoare unei capsule

bacteriene, ce protejeaza mycoplasmele de actiunea mecanismelor locale

de aparare- variabilitate antigenica, ce permite pacalirea mecanismelor

imunologice ale gazdei enzime mycoplasmice in interiorul celulelor

gazda cu distrugerea unor celule sau cu producerea de aberatii

cromosomiale la nivelul lor.

Intrarea mycoplasmelor in organism se produce probabil devreme in

cursul vietii, in perioada de sugar, cand mecanismele imunitatii

celulare sunt inca sla be, iar mycoplasmele ramin cantonate

intracelular multi ani. Anticorpii antimycoplasmici secretati de

plasmocite cresc in concentratie pe masura trecerii timpului in

tesuturile invecinate celulelor infectate, fiind in echilibru cu

mycoplasmele intracelul re si impiedicind raspindirea lor sau

eliberarea de antigene. Cu alte cuvinte, raspunsul hiperimun

antimycoplasmic e raspunzator el insusi de oprirea replicarii

bacteriene si de marele grad de localizare a mycoplasmelor la locul

infectiei. Ori de cate o i organismul trece printr-o perioada de impas

imunologic(stres, infectie, modificari ale presiunii

atmosferice,medicatii imunosupresoare sau orice alta injurie) balanta

dintre mycoplasmele intracelulare si anticorpii pericelulari se

inclina, permitind el berarea de mycoplasme-deci raspindirea infectiei,

sau eliberarea de antigene mycoplasmice ce autointretin procesul

hiperimun.

Caracteristicile clinice ale acestor boli se explica prin tercerea

intermitenta de antigene si toxine bacteriene in circulatia si stemica

cu acumularea lor in urmatoarele sedii mai importante:

maduva hematogena, cu producere de citopenii, in special anemie,

frecvent intilnita in conectivite

SNC, cu producere de depresie, inabilitate de concentrare, pierderea

interesului pt activit atile cotidiene, iritabilitate

Sistemul muscular- producind astenie si oboseala musculara

Sistem endocrin- producind disfunctii endocrine. Toate aparatele si

sistemele pot fi afectate.

Pentru inducerea unei remisiuni complete e necesara suprimarea

producerii de antigene bacteriene, care nu se poate face decat prin

tratament antibiotic, deci indepartind sursa antigenica.

Obiectivele terapiei trebuie deci sa fie

1)impiedicarea producerii de antigene mycoplasmice,

2)evitarea eliberarii masive de antigene infectioase si

3)evitarea eliberarii de antigene prin hipersensibilitate la

medicamente care s-ar putea produce la o supramedicatie

Aceste obiective sunt obtinute prin folosirea de antibiotice in (in

opozitie fata de dozele mari folosite conventional in terapia

antiinfectioasa), cu administrare intermitenta fata de tratamentul

antibiotic clasic care trebuie sa fie sustinut si nicidecum

intermitent, si in tratament de foarte lunga durata -3-5ani (fata de

tratamentul conventional care dureaza cit eva zile- saptamini).

Daca doza de antibiotic e prea mare, sau I se asociaza prea multe alte

medicamente, organismul pus intr-un status hiperimun de catre boala in

sine, reactioneaza impotriva medicamentului, si scopul nu este atins(

hipersensibilitate int irziata la antibiotic), sau dimpotriva se

elibereaza masiv antigene bacteriene. Aceasta reactie produsa prin

supramedicatie se numeste reactie Herxheimer iar clinic se manifesta

prin simptome identice cu cele ale unui puseu de evolutivitate al

bolii. Di acest motiv, dozele de antibiotic trebuie sa fie reduse la

minimum, in special la inceputul tratamentului cu minociclin,

putindu-se creste treptat doza in functie de toleranta individuala.

Toate statusurile hiperimune provocate de bacterii necesita tratament

intermitent (ex:tb, bruceloza si RAA).

O atentie deosebita e atribuita in protocol infectiilor de focar(in

special infectii rinosinusale, genitourinare, pelvine, intestinale si

dentare)- surse de antigene in fluidele intra- si extravasculare, care

ar a duce un nou set de variabile in ecuatia balantei dintre mycoplasme

si mecanismele de aparare ale organismului. De aceea, ele trebuie

cautate si tratate prompt inaintea inceperii terapiei antimicoplasmice

si pe parcurs de cate ori e nevoie.In special antic rpii

antistreptococici, dar nu numai, reactioneaza incrucisat cu proteine

micoplasmice, si de aceea in special infectiile streptococice trebuie

tratate prompt. Daca pacientul are un titru ASLO crescut si o istorie

de infectie streptococica, va terbui sa fa ca tratament cu 250 mg

ampicilina pe zi zilnic-dar nu luat concomitent cu minociclinul, pina

ce titrul ASLO se normalizeaza.

III TRATAMENT

Vom discuta separat formele severe vechi si pe de alta parte formele

recente si incipiente de boala.

1) Formele sever e si vechi de boala

Tratamentul e directionat pe 2 fronturi: cauza infectioasa si raspunsul

hiperimun. Pentru a atinge cele 2 tinte se vor folosi pe de o parte

doze constante de antiinflamatoare nesteroidiene si pe de alta parte

doze mici, intermitente de antibiotice. Primele vor fi administrate pe

perioade scurte, iar ultimele- pe perioade de ani neincetat. Daca

pacientul a urmat sau inca urmeaza tratament cu medicatie clasica

imunosupresiva si/sau corticoterapie la doze mari e obligatorie o

perioada de ashout(spalare) de 4-6 saptamini pentru a elimina aceste

surse antigenice din organism. In acest interval se pot administra doze

mici de PDN- sub 10 mg pe zi.

Medicatia antiinflamatoare are drept scop reducerea inflamatiei si

inlesnirea caii de acces a antibioticelor in tesuturile inflamate.

Datorita raspunsului si tolerantei individuale, alegerea AINS folosit

sau a PDN la doze mici neimunosupresive va fi individuala.

La inceput pacientul va fi avertizat ca tratamentul e extrem de lent si

gradualiar primele imbunatatiri semnificative apar dupa 6 luni-1 an,

sau chiar mai mult. Bolnavii cu forme severe vor urma o serie de

perfuzii iv cu clindamicina(lincomicina), cu scopul de a era dica

formele L persistente in intestin, tract respiratorsi genitourinar ,

dar si de a creste absorbtia intestinal a tetraciclinelor. Clindamicina

se concentreaza in fagosomi si deci ajunge foarte bine la locul

inflamatiei. Dozele sunt de 300 mg la inceput 2 zile, apoi 600, apoi

900 mg, doza care e mentinuta citeva zile daca nu apar eactii adverse.

Dozele vor fi spatiate luni, miercuri si vineri, iar apoi, si pe

perioada de intretinere se mai pot face cite o cura de perfuzii cu

lincocin la intervale alese individual. In loc de administrarea iv se

poate administra si im, dar atunci administrarea va fi zilnica pe o

perioada de 2 saptamini, cu 300 mg, repetat la 3 sau 6 luni. Unii

autori pledeaza pentru administrare orala a clindamicinei 1200mg odata

pe saptamina.

Dupa perioada de atac cu lincomicin, se administreaza minociclin sau

doxiciclin, continuind intermitent cu lincomicin.In formele severe si

vechi doza de minociclin sau doxiciclin va fi foarte mica la inceput-

50-100 mg/zi odata sau de 2 ori pe saptamina, pentru a creste trepat la

dozele standard de 100 mg/zi luni-miercuri-vi eri.

2) Forme usoare si recente

Aceste forme vor fi tratate de la inceput cu terapie orala cu

minociclin sau doxiciclin, in dozele standard prezentate mai sus, in

general nefiind nevoie de tratament iv. Administrarea de doze mai mari,

sau administrarea la intervale mai mici d e timp nu e indicata, si e

chiar nociva. Trebuie cunoscute 2 elemente de farmacocinetica:Absorbtia

tetraciclinelor e predominanta in mediul acid din stomac, si mai mica

in intestin, iar absorbtia e diminuata de metale divalente, in special

de calciu. Cresterea dozelor In ciuda senzatiei ca doze mai mari ar fi

si doze mai eficiente, in primele 3-6 luni nu e permisa o crestere a

dozelor.Dupa acest interval, dozele pot fi crescute usor daca nu exista

semne de reactie Herx. La intervale de 1-3 luni se face un bilant

clinic si bioumoral si daca imbunatatirea e evidenta nu se cresc

dozele. Daca nu exista imbunatatire evidenta ci datele bioumorale se

stabilizeaza la un nivel patologic dar fara sa fie reactie Herx, se vor

creste dozele, dar itervalul dintre doze nu se modifica.Se revine la

doza anterioara daca apare reactie Herx. Cand statusul inflamator

articular e foarte intens, se pot practica injectii intraarticulare cu

clindamicina 300 mg in articulatiile mari +4mg dexametasona.lDozele vor

fi mai mici pt articulatiile mici.

Reactia Herxheimer

E o reactie ce apare de obicei in primele saptamini de la inceperea

terapiei, dar poate aparea oricand prin eliberare masiva de antigene

bacteriene, si e mai frecventa cand boala e mai severa. Cand

tratamentul a fost deja foarte eficient si s-au eradicat majoritatea

mycoplasmelor din organism, riscul de reactie Herx e foarte mic.E in

acelasi timp o dovada ca tratamentul e eficient, deci e un semn bun. Dg

diferential intre reactia Herx, puseul de actiitate al bolii si reactie

alergica se face folosind VSH, Albuminemia si globulinemia, Numarul GA

si numarul eozinofilelor:GA cresc pe parcursul tratamentului in reactia

Herx si scad in puseul d eevolutivitate al bolii(in mod paradoxal- spre

deosebire de p cientii fara tratament anibiotic, unde GA cresc in

puseul de activitate).In reactia Herx VSH,globulinemia si -

globulinemia cresc, pe cand serinemia si albuminemia scad, evidentiind

un raspuns imunologic crescut la antigenele bacteriene.O eozinofilie

marcata e evidenta unei reactii alergice la tratament. Pe parcursul

terapiei, toate probele bioumorale trebuie sa revina la valorile

normale sub actiunea antibioticului.

Dupa o perioada lunga de tratament, Dr Brown recomanda o rotire a

antibioticului folosit, chiar daca se va folosi tot un antibiotic din

aceiasi clasa.

Efecte adverse.

La dozele si intervalele recomandate, efectele adverse(cu exceptia

reactiei Herx) sunt foarte reduse.Terapia indelungata nu e urmata la

tetracicline de rezistenta bacteriana, ca la alte antibiotice. In ce

priveste infectiile fungice, riscul lor e foarte mic la aceasta schema

de administrare, si ar fi abuziva terapia antifungica rpeventiva. E

suficienta doar prescrierea de lactobacilus acidophilus, care readucind

flora normala intetinala, previne candidozele. Daca candidoza apare

totusi, ea trebuie tratata prompt cu antifungice.

Dr. Markus Sorin can be contacted at drmarkuss2@... or

drmarkuss1@... or 'phone Romania 0040/745/631438.

On 14/12/2004, at 6:33 AM, wrote:

>

>

> Dear fellows,

>

> I know most of you are in quite bad shape and suffering, so I

> apologize if I am causing you trouble with my writing ... I hope

> will help us all somehow ...

>

>

> Unfortunately my situation is a such that I really am in need of

> URGENT Help, and cant help it ... !

> I have a suggested diagnostic of

>

> 1. Enthesitis /Periostitis in the sitting ischio-pubian area (exact

> etiologic cause is not quite clear). This condition caused me to

> stop working 3 years ago, financially I cannot last much longer

> unless I do something quick ...!

>

> A Dr suggested Seronegative Spondyloarthropathy subdivision Reactive

> Arthritis. Have taken oral Clindamycin 300mg 3 x day for 3 days, 2

> x day for another 7 days (10 days in total) once in Sept 2004,

> second time in Nov 2004.

> Cannot say it did help, except I felt better the first time only (in

> Sept) for the first 4 days with nose, mouth, teeth, tongue, upper

> respiratory tract, slept better. After the first 4 days, nose and

> throat became more dry then before, tongue is more white, and the

> POSITIVE effect did not repeat in Nov, but the tongue became more

> white and all more dry.

> Lab test says is NOT Candida - A good question what is it? I am

> awaiting new Lab Tests results in days ... Is it all related to

> autoimmune disorders (Sjogren /Sicca Syndrome?) I do not know

> enough !

>

> A Bone Scan shows a point of inflammation in the under-pubic area,

> and in fact it may be more then just this ...

>

>

> 2. Myofasciitis (which is very similar or related to

> Fibromyalgia ...?). I do have a history of overuse through sitting

> in 2000, which triggered my currently chronic sitting pain .

>

> 3. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (I recently realized I had it in various

> degrees for about 20 years, between the age of 20 to current - I am

> now 41 (in 2004)).

>

> 4. Irritable Bowel Syndrome the Dr says, (for me the primary

> manifestation is abnormal soft to diarrheic stool, no abdominal pain

> at least as of yet).

> Clindamycin regulated the stool, but effects are not lasting more

> then 1.5 months. The side effects of Clindamycin seem to great to

> continue ...

>

>

> ==

> As an additional symptom I get lots of rectal itching and occasional

> degenerates to what I believe is like Hemorrhoidal Pain, was to 5

> Proctologist, they say beside a bit of cream is nothing major there.

> On the other hand I read on

> http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/g144.htm MYCOPLASMA, CHLAMYDIA

> AND UREAPLASMA (pathogens without cell wall - or something to that

> effect ...)

> ==

>

>

> A. I learned of Dr Browns Protocol http://www.rheumatic.org/ ,

>

> B. More recently I learned of Marshall Protocol

> http://www.sarcinfo.com/ , http://www.marshallprotocol.com/ , other

> related sites.

>

> To me it seems that Marshal Protocol is an updated version, new,

> complete of Dr Brown's Protocol.

> I will keep looking for information, but I feel weaker and weaker as

> time goes on, I MUST DO something PRACTICAL.

>

> I WORK TO SEND A LAB TEST FOR VITAMIN D (as per Marshal Protocol),

> to be my Christmas Gift ... Any thoughts? Is quite expensive for me

> here (from Romania). Is there a good reason why some people still do

> Dr Brown, as opposite to Marshall?

>

> Can anybody post picture and practical advice regarding frozen

> shipment with dry ice (if I am not mistaken ?). Where to typically

> get Dry Ice from? I asked several Medical Labs, but they tell me

> they only ship National, by refrigerated truck, no experience with

> Dry Ice. Entertainment Industry?

>

> DO YOU KNOW ANY OTHER GREAT DIAGNOSTIC AND TREATMENTS LIKE Dr Brown

> and Marshall , or is that all?

> Doctors give me NSAID, Anti-depressives, Sulfasazaline, but I am not

> taking them because I know this are symptomatic treatments, at best

> stopping the pathology (Sulfasazaline), but not etiologic. NSAID and

> Cortisone failed to provide any relief of the sitting pain, and not

> even remotely are they addressing the Chronic Fatigue component.

>

> I am trying to post on a Web Site my Lab Tests and All Symptoms, but

> I see that days and even weeks went by without me succeeding to

> accomplish the " perfect " posting, so today I put together this

> present posting to just MOVE FORWARDS, AWAITING with much interest

> your reactions... THANK YOU IN ADVANCE !

>

>

>

> Some of the Other Topics and approaches that I plan to investigate:

> 1. Visit more Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), Chronic Fatigue Immune

> Deficiency Syndrome (CFIDS), Fibromyalgia (FM), Rheumatic sites to

> see if I can find more ETIOLOGIC, ground braking treatments like Dr

> Brown's and Marshall ... cause I do not like the NSAID,

> Corticosteroid, Sulfasazaline, Methotrexate, etc path ...

>

> 2. Post a picture of my white tongue (primarily was the back of it,

> after recent Clindamycin is a bit more ...)and understand why for

> 20 years doctors were unable to tell me what it was, and it does not

> come back as Candida form Lab Test, but they are unable to tell me

> what it is. Might be Sjogren Syndrome (Sicca Syndrome), BUT I must

> say that I have a Metallic Taste and teethe get a white deposit

> which I clean al least daily (this disappeared in Sept for 4 days

> with Clindamycin). I have saliva on the tongue, is not entirely dry,

> for the time being it only feels like dry, but is actually not dry

> as of yet, I should probably call it Metallic Taste (?).

>

> 3. A doctor told me to investigate Hepatitis C (in 2003 I vaccinated

> for Hepatitis A and B - even though now I learn that this kind of

> vaccine as well may cause problems

> http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/4448/e/1/T/CF

> IDS_FM/ Until now I cannot say I have pain at the place of vaccine

> in muscles of the upper arm, in fact was subcutaneous - or am I

> mistaken ? I may have to ask the place ... !). Reading on the

> Internet I found that indeed Hepatitis C typically evolves quietly

> for 20 years, and patients only learn about it when liver is already

> damaged ... , so I though to investigate it out. This coming Fr I

> get back the Lab Test Results ...

>

> 4. I already initiated contact with Labs for Marshall Vitamin D

> Tests (not progressing very well, as of yet ...), I REALLY WANT TO

> TRY THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY GOOD OPTION, UNLESS YOU TELL ME

> DIFFERENT ... !

>

> 5. I tried and tried to find a Dr. to understand Marshall or at

> least Dr Brown, here in Bucharest /Romania where I live in exile. I

> found one nice Dr but 500km away (he did a Dr Degree in this

> direction, and was the first to indicate Dr Brown's Protocol to

> me ...). I keep a bit longer in trying to find one in Bucharest.

> Probably if I am lucky Marshall Group already has one, I must

> contact them a.s.a.p. Otherwise I will travel to the one I have at

> 500 Km's. We are " pen palls " anyway.

>

> 6. The recent posting POTASSIUM DEFICIENCY AS A CAUSE OF RHEUMATOID

> ARTHRITIS puzzled me, happy to find one more cause, but does not

> seem a treatment plan does exist as it is the case with Marshall,

> what would Marshal think of that, I plan to submit question. ... ,

> hope I get to do it ... !

>

> Well, I guess this is enough, if I forgot something I will get back

> later, better one day I will revise it and post it on a Web THANK

> YOU ALL !

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi ! Geoff here.

I'm sure you'll get or have already gotten quite a lot of help on this. Two

things I noted in your symptom list and have not seen a response to were:

> As an additional symptom I get lots of rectal itching and occasional

> degenerates to what I believe is like Hemorrhoidal Pain, was to 5

You might want to stop eating sweets, especially simple sugars but for a

couple of weeks anything sweet to the taste, including fruits, juice drinks,

smoothies, etc. This symptom can be indicative of developing

diabetes-related problems. If you stop the sugars and the itching and pain

are relieved, you know two things:

1. You have a problem if you ingest excess sugar

2. You can control the problem by diet and maybe avoid serious

consequences

You will also be able to easily prove this by simply overindulging again,

which may also make you feel sluggish and give you some mild stomach upset.

This " test " may also lead you to consider giving a little extra attention to

things that can bolster your pancreas, etc., like Vitamin C.

You may also want to check out a book entitled " Everybody's Guide to

Homeopathic Medicines: Safe and Effective Remedies for You and Your Family

by Cummings, Dana Ullman " ISBN 0874778433 (Used from $5.70 at

Amazon)

And in regard to:

> Post a picture of my white tongue (primarily was the back of it,

[snip]

> say that I have a Metallic Taste and teethe get a white deposit

> which I clean al least daily (this disappeared in Sept for 4 days

> with Clindamycin). I have saliva on the tongue, is not entirely dry,

> for the time being it only feels like dry, but is actually not dry

> as of yet, I should probably call it Metallic Taste (?).

You will find specifically the symptoms you describe for your tongue and

taste, perhaps under mercurius. If you decide to use homeopathics, you must

pay extremely close attention to taking them properly. Ullman does an

excellent job of describing the issues in his book.

HTH

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

www.HealingYou.org

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