RE: Allergic Reactions..real Vitamin C versus ascorbic acid

[Guest guest]

There are vitamin Cs made from corn and other low end sources which are

called ascorbic acid. Those are the ones to avoid. While those terms are

used interchangeably (Vit C and ascorbic acid), from the research I did a

few years ago on the mercury list, they are not interchangeable in reality.

Vitamin from ascorbic acid is chemically processed from different sources,

usually cheap low grade things like corn. Natural is best. Ascorbic acid is

a sugar acid which is chemically synthesized. So, real Vitamin C isn't

ascorbic acid, ascorbic acid is synthetically processed Vitamin C. I know

that may sound like nitpicking, but that is like saying bioidentical

hormones and the synthetic ones are the same. Definitely not. I believe the

good one I had was made from acerola.

Here is some info and a source that I think is real Vitamin C:

http://www.synergy-co.com/pages/pure-radiance.html

Their powder looks good when I look over the ingredients. That is about what

I paid for mine too.

I know the one I got at Trader Joes I was allergic to and it was ascorbic

acid. Then Dr. Cutler ( a chemist who I learned this from...works with

mercury toxic people) recommended one that I can no longer remember but it

was the one that worked for me. I think that link is a good one.

Mixing with buffers can help some people, but I was allergic to corn and

lots of other stuff at the time so nothing helped with that, including

buffering it.

Cheri

Re: Allergic Reactions

Vitamin C IS ascorbic acid. You can buffer it with baking soda to make

sodium ascorbate, or it can be buffered with calcium to make calcium

ascorbate (ester C).

But whether naturally occuring in orange juice or manufactured, the

chemical that is vit C is ascorbic acid.

sol

.

[Guest guest]

Did you check out the website link that explains the difference? Also google

on the guy they mention who won the Nobel prize. His specialty was cancer

work.

As far as known differences, there is research on that. Ascorbic acid is

used to lower copper in high copper people. Natural C doesn't have that

effect. That is just one example. If they were molecularly identical, that

would not be possible.

Not saying ascorbic acid is bad. I think it has a lot of good uses. Just for

those allergic, natural C is an option.

Cheri

Re: Allergic Reactions..real Vitamin C versus

ascorbic acid

MsSquarepants wrote:

> While those terms are

> used interchangeably (Vit C and ascorbic acid), from the research I did

a

> few years ago on the mercury list, they are not interchangeable in

reality.

>

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/

From the Linus ing Institute:

>Natural vs. synthetic vitamin C

>Natural and synthetic L-ascorbic acid are chemically identical and

there are no known differences in their >biological activities or

bioavailability (41).

I can find so far no mention in the works of Linus ing, Matthias

Rath, and Levy recommending anything other than L-ascorbic acid.

sol

.

[Guest guest]

The link you sent talks about scurvy and vitamin C and all the info is

relating to vitamin C. However, ascorbic acid has been shown to not help

with scurvy. Again, showing they are two different things.

" It is interesting to note that Scurvy, a severe vitamin C deficiency,

cannot be reversed with ascorbic acid but can be reversed with paprika or a

natural food source vitamin C complex. Szent-Gyorgi, the original discoverer

of ascorbic acid, found that it would not cure scurvy; only the natural

complex can do that. Isolated ascorbic acid is made from corn sugar

(glucose), and it is a naked substance devoid of all the cofactors. The

reason ascorbic acid masquerades as vitamin C is for commercial reasons. It

is profitable.

In the early 1930’s, when Szent-Gyorgi was striving to isolate ascorbic

acid, what he initially called “hexuronic acid,” a “small accident” happened

that he described in detail in his 1939 book, Oxidation. “I had a letter

from an Austrian colleague who was suffering from a severe hemorrhagic

diathesis (capillary bleeding beneath the skin). He wanted to try ascorbic

acid in his condition. Possessing at that time no sufficient quantities of

crystalline ascorbic acid, I sent him a preparation of paprika (a source of

the whole vitamin C complex) that contained much ascorbic acid, and the man

was cured by it. Later with my friend, St. Rusznyak, we tried to produce the

same therapeutic effect in similar conditions with pure ascorbic acid, but

we obtained no response.”

http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/catalog/page_ascorbic_acid.php

" All ascorbic acid-based supplements are devoid of the necessary cofactors.

Even the ones that have added bioflavonoids are deficient in the real

cofactors because they only add a pinch of these bioflavonoids to the

formula so then can legally say bioflavonoids are present. "

Re: Allergic Reactions..real Vitamin C versus

ascorbic acid

MsSquarepants wrote:

> While those terms are

> used interchangeably (Vit C and ascorbic acid), from the research I did

a

> few years ago on the mercury list, they are not interchangeable in

reality.

>

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/

From the Linus ing Institute:

>Natural vs. synthetic vitamin C

>Natural and synthetic L-ascorbic acid are chemically identical and

there are no known differences in their >biological activities or

bioavailability (41).

I can find so far no mention in the works of Linus ing, Matthias

Rath, and Levy recommending anything other than L-ascorbic acid.

sol

[Guest guest]

Lol, a. You will have to read all the email exchanges to get what we are

discussing. There are links that both Sol and I sent that when you have time

should help you.

I think both forms serve a purpose...just not that they are the same thing.

I am ordering from that company I posted so I will let you know how I am

doing on that once it arrives.

Cheri

Re: Allergic Reactions..real Vitamin C versus

ascorbic acid

I am not on HC yet so I am not able to read in depth all that is going on

with the vitamin C. I just ordered some last week over the net on Vita

Cost.

Can someone please tell me in basic terms what this is all about?

I decided to buy vitamin C as I do not get a lot from my foods and I have

not taken an emergen - C packet a couple times from Trader Joes back in

the

day but not since.

Thanks,

a

.

[Guest guest]

Sol,

It listed references, just not the links. But if you google, you can find

them. The PDF on Szent-Gyorigi from his nobel prize speech says he found

Vitamin C and ascorbic acid to be the same...until he found that when tested

they didn't have the same results. Ascorbic acid is a component of Vitamin C

(which is probably the molecular structure you are referring too), however,

it is not the entire vitamin C which contains other components in addition.

He gets into the discussion of scurvy and paprika. It's a good read.

Yes, those sites are selling what they believe to be the best form but they

did write about why they believed that. Like I say, I first heard of this

not from anyone selling anything but from Dr. Cutler who was helping

me with mercury poisoning issues.

There are tons of other sites too if you Google. I read ing's info and

disagree with his the reference he provide from a 1993 article, especially

with the research done since then. There are too many references for me to

list them all but if you google you will find tons more on this topic.

Of course, again, we all will believe what we want in the end given the same

research. My personal experience with different forms leads me to believe

Cutler, Szent-Gyorigi and others who say that ascorbic acid is not the same

as Vit C because it lacks the other components like bioflavonoids.

Cheri

Re: Allergic Reactions..real Vitamin C versus

ascorbic acid

The link you sent contains zero references to any published research,

and is a sales site.

What part of " chemically and biologically identical " is puzzling you?

Virtually ALL the research on the beneficial effects of vit C for

scurvy, and all other conditions for which it has been researched/tested

have been done wtih sodium ascorbate.

If I read differently about Szent-Gyorgi's research on scurvy, I will

post but what I'm reading this minute says nothing about him using other

than ascorbic acid.

Before I'd believe he wrote that, I'd have to see his actual writings. I

see no references given on the sales site, so it is difficult to trace

their claims as to what he said.

From what I've read of Linus ing's explanations of the molecular

structure of ascorbic acid (vit C) and its other forms, the first

paragraph on that site is inaccurate to say the least.

sol

.

[Guest guest]

MsSquarepants wrote:

> While those terms are

> used interchangeably (Vit C and ascorbic acid), from the research I did a

> few years ago on the mercury list, they are not interchangeable in reality.

>

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/

From the Linus ing Institute:

>Natural vs. synthetic vitamin C

>Natural and synthetic L-ascorbic acid are chemically identical and

there are no known differences in their >biological activities or

bioavailability (41).

I can find so far no mention in the works of Linus ing, Matthias

Rath, and Levy recommending anything other than L-ascorbic acid.

sol

[Guest guest]

I am not on HC yet so I am not able to read in depth all that is going on

with the vitamin C. I just ordered some last week over the net on Vita Cost.

Can someone please tell me in basic terms what this is all about?

I decided to buy vitamin C as I do not get a lot from my foods and I have

not taken an emergen - C packet a couple times from Trader Joes back in the

day but not since.

Thanks,

a

-- Re: Allergic Reactions..real Vitamin C versus

ascorbic acid

MsSquarepants wrote:

> While those terms are

> used interchangeably (Vit C and ascorbic acid), from the research I did a

> few years ago on the mercury list, they are not interchangeable in reality

>

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/

From the Linus ing Institute:

>Natural vs. Synthetic vitamin C

>Natural and synthetic L-ascorbic acid are chemically identical and

There are no known differences in their >biological activities or

Bioavailability (41).

I can find so far no mention in the works of Linus ing, Matthias

Rath, and Levy recommending anything other than L-ascorbic acid.

Sol

[Guest guest]

The link you sent contains zero references to any published research,

and is a sales site.

What part of " chemically and biologically identical " is puzzling you?

Virtually ALL the research on the beneficial effects of vit C for

scurvy, and all other conditions for which it has been researched/tested

have been done wtih sodium ascorbate.

If I read differently about Szent-Gyorgi's research on scurvy, I will

post but what I'm reading this minute says nothing about him using other

than ascorbic acid.

Before I'd believe he wrote that, I'd have to see his actual writings. I

see no references given on the sales site, so it is difficult to trace

their claims as to what he said.

From what I've read of Linus ing's explanations of the molecular

structure of ascorbic acid (vit C) and its other forms, the first

paragraph on that site is inaccurate to say the least.

sol

[Guest guest]

MsSquarepants wrote:

> I think both forms serve a purpose...just not that they are the same thing.

>

Chemistry, and diagrams of the molecule say they are identical. NO

chemical difference whatsoever.

Still, its your money!

sol

[Guest guest]

MsSquarepants wrote:

> Sol,

> It listed references, just not the links.

Where? I sure don't see them! (the radiance site) Can you help me find

the references?

sol

[Guest guest]

>So, real Vitamin C isn't

ascorbic acid, ascorbic acid is synthetically processed Vitamin C.>

check out www.vitamincfoundation.org where the scientists have a very

different view of 'synthetic' vitamin c.

[Guest guest]

, I sent you a link to a non-ascorbic acid source of Vitamin C with all

the other stuff in response to your email. Ascorbic acid taken from a good

fruit source can be helpful, but many of them are made from corn, which I do

not recommend. First off, the corn is most likely gmo, non-organic and mold

is common in corn crops. Second, unfortunately, a good number of the ones

sold in the US are made from corn and come from China. Those are the ones I

say to avoid. If the label doesn't list a different fruit source, you can

assume it is made from corn because that is the cheapest and therefore the

biggest profit margin for the company. Cheri

Re: Allergic Reactions..real Vitamin C versus

ascorbic acid

Every buffered C that I have taken has been hell on my GI/IBS. Has

anyone found something other than ascorbic acid, that I just pee out

right away, that is easy on GI?

NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " MsSquarepants "

wrote:

>

> There are vitamin Cs made from corn and other low end sources which

are

> called ascorbic acid. Those are the ones to avoid.

[Guest guest]

srapp785@... wrote:

> >So, real Vitamin C isn't

> ascorbic acid, ascorbic acid is synthetically processed Vitamin C.>

>

> check out www.vitamincfoundation.org where the scientists have a very

> different view of 'synthetic' vitamin c.

>

>

Thanks for posting that link. Great article.

sol

[Guest guest]

I asked this two days ago. Please can someone tell me in basic terms as I am

in major pain and exhaustion and very hard for me to keep up with all these

in depth articles what vitamin C I should take? I do not have it in my

regime at this time and would be grateful for anyone to brak it down in

layman terms. I am in a brain fog . Some of us are not as funstioning at

this time as others on here.

Many Thanks,

a

-- Re: Allergic Reactions..real Vitamin C versus

Ascorbic acid

The link you sent contains zero references to any published research,

And is a sales site.

What part of " chemically and biologically identical " is puzzling you?

Virtually ALL the research on the beneficial effects of vit C for

Scurvy, and all other conditions for which it has been researched/tested

Have been done with sodium ascorbate.

If I read differently about Szent-Gyorgi's research on scurvy, I will

Post but what I'm reading this minute says nothing about him using other

Than ascorbic acid.

Before I'd believe he wrote that, I'd have to see his actual writings. I

See no references given on the sales site, so it is difficult to trace

Their claims as to what he said.

From what I've read of Linus ing's explanations of the molecular

Structure of ascorbic acid (vit C) and its other forms, the first

Paragraph on that site is inaccurate to say the least.

Sol

..

[Guest guest]

Hi a

if you can find it just use some Ester C. Sorry i must have confused you about

this. If you can not find it, try ascorbic acid,whatever you have but try to be

aware of effects of it.many use ascorbic acid with no problems. Worry has worse

effect on our illness.

bw

Nil

Re: Allergic Reactions..real Vitamin C versus

Ascorbic acid

The link you sent contains zero references to any published research,

And is a sales site.

What part of " chemically and biologically identical " is puzzling you?

Virtually ALL the research on the beneficial effects of vit C for

Scurvy, and all other conditions for which it has been researched/tested

Have been done with sodium ascorbate.

If I read differently about Szent-Gyorgi's research on scurvy, I will

Post but what I'm reading this minute says nothing about him using other

Than ascorbic acid.

Before I'd believe he wrote that, I'd have to see his actual writings. I

See no references given on the sales site, so it is difficult to trace

Their claims as to what he said.

From what I've read of Linus ing's explanations of the molecular

Structure of ascorbic acid (vit C) and its other forms, the first

Paragraph on that site is inaccurate to say the least.

Sol

.

[Guest guest]

Every buffered C that I have taken has been hell on my GI/IBS. Has

anyone found something other than ascorbic acid, that I just pee out

right away, that is easy on GI?

NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " MsSquarepants "

wrote:

>

> There are vitamin Cs made from corn and other low end sources which

are

> called ascorbic acid. Those are the ones to avoid.

[Guest guest]

I am super sensitive to vitamin C as well..it tears my guts up. This brand does

not bother me at all and I take 6 caps a day.

http://www.askhealthyway.com/prod/sup-premium-nutrition-biolife-c-60.html

Mind you, the 60 count won't last you long if you take a lot, but at least you

can try it and see if it works for you. I am pretty confident it will. There

is no way to buy this in a store unless you live in the Seattle area.

Kim

Re: Allergic Reactions..real Vitamin C versus ascorbic

acid

Every buffered C that I have taken has been hell on my GI/IBS. Has

anyone found something other than ascorbic acid, that I just pee out

right away, that is easy on GI?

NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " MsSquarepants "

wrote:

>

> There are vitamin Cs made from corn and other low end sources which

are

> called ascorbic acid. Those are the ones to avoid.

[Guest guest]

Your telling me lol ,worry, that is why I am high tailing out of my parents

to go to LA for a couple weeks in Jan , because the stress and worry in

this house is causing me to be get worse . I do try and detach, but trust me

when I say this it is SO difficult as these are the type of people that do

and get what the want and unless I just go off on them which I try hard

not to do it is bad.

I pray my higher power will present me an opportunity to be able to live in

a serene enviroment where I can be aroun good energy. I am stuck here at the

momnet due to not being able to work and on SSI.

I know every person has the power to ignore chaotic and bad energy but I can

only do and take so much at this time as I have not been able to have some

good day physically in months.

I ordered some C online so it should be here any day.

Thanks,

a

-- Re: Allergic Reactions..real Vitamin C versus

ascorbic acid

Hi a

If you can find it just use some Ester C. Sorry I must have confused you

about this. If you can not find it, try ascorbic acid,whatever you have but

try to be aware of effects of it.many use ascorbic acid with no problems.

Worry has worse effect on our illness.

Bw

Nil

Re: Allergic Reactions..real Vitamin C versus

Ascorbic acid

The link you sent contains zero references to any published research,

And is a sales site.

What part of " chemically and biologically identical " is puzzling you?

Virtually ALL the research on the beneficial effects of vit C for

Scurvy, and all other conditions for which it has been researched/tested

Have been done with sodium ascorbate.

If I read differently about Szent-Gyorgi's research on scurvy, I will

Post but what I'm reading this minute says nothing about him using other

Than ascorbic acid.

Before I'd believe he wrote that, I'd have to see his actual writings. I

See no references given on the sales site, so it is difficult to trace

Their claims as to what he said.

From what I've read of Linus ing's explanations of the molecular

Structure of ascorbic acid (vit C) and its other forms, the first

Paragraph on that site is inaccurate to say the least.

Sol

..

[Guest guest]

OK, dumb question here.

My vitamin c is Natrol Ester C. It says it is:

Vitamin C (as Calcium Ascorbate++) 500mg

Calcium (as Calcium Ascorbate ++) 50mg

Is this the good kind?

----- Original Message -----

From: MsSquarepants

Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:02 PM

, I sent you a link to a non-ascorbic acid source of Vitamin C with all

the other stuff in response to your email. Ascorbic acid taken from a good fruit

source can be helpful, but many of them are made from corn, which I do not

recommend. First off, the corn is most likely gmo, non-organic and mold is

common in corn crops. Second, unfortunately, a good number of the ones sold in

the US are made from corn and come from China. Those are the ones I say to

avoid. If the label doesn't list a different fruit source, you can assume it is

made from corn because that is the cheapest and therefore the biggest profit

margin for the company. Cheri

[Guest guest]

Cheri,

Are you able to re-post the link to a non-ascorbic acid source of Vit C?

Pamela

MsSquarepants wrote:

, I sent you a link to a non-ascorbic acid source of Vitamin C with all

the other stuff in response to your email. Ascorbic acid taken from a good

fruit source can be helpful, but many of them are made from corn, which I do

not recommend.

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[Guest guest]

Vitamin C IS ascorbic acid. If there is no ascorbic acid in the product

there is also no vit C.

Please people, read some real science.

sol

Pamela wrote:

> Cheri,

>

> Are you able to re-post the link to a non-ascorbic acid source of Vit C?

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > Are you able to re-post the link to a non-ascorbic acid source of

> > Vit C?

Quite so, but I wonder if what Pamela meant was a non-acidic form of

vit C, like a magnesium salt....?

Could be wrong of course. Maybe it's the sucker in me.

Rosie/5

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that link and the rest of the info. I'm back at my in-laws

after visiting with my family for the past four days where I had

limited access to e-mail. Tomorrow we're headed home (thank Gd), but

I'm trying to get caught up on NTH-A mail now. I'll respond to you

more in depth soon, but I'm up to 3 probiotic caps/day and they're

already helping. My wife and MIL are worried about how little fruits

and veggies that I am eating, and my weight loss, so I'm trying to

work more of them in to my diet too. Corn does bother me now so maybe

that's what has been causing the problem with the other buffered Cs.

>

> , I sent you a link to a non-ascorbic acid source of Vitamin C

with all

> the other stuff in response to your email. Ascorbic acid taken from

a good

> fruit source can be helpful, but many of them are made from corn,

which I do

> not recommend. First off, the corn is most likely gmo, non-organic

and mold

> is common in corn crops. Second, unfortunately, a good number of the

ones

> sold in the US are made from corn and come from China. Those are the

ones I

> say to avoid. If the label doesn't list a different fruit source,

you can

> assume it is made from corn because that is the cheapest and

therefore the

> biggest profit margin for the company. Cheri