Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

[Guest guest]

Congratulations on the good night of sleep! Is there an over the counter one

that works? Even if I can get a couple of nights of 7-8 hours with no

wake-ups I would be happy.

Cheri

Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

Hi Jen,

I know how you feel! I've been like that since Xmax day. I am on HC

cream waiting for temps to stabilize so I can take Armour again. I

decided last night I couldn't stand another nite of this sleeping

litely and waking every 2 hours with a six hour window so I took a

sleeping pill: Dalmane 15mg. I just felt I had to and TG it worked! I

took a bath and went to bed at 10pm. Last time I looked at the clock

it was 10:45 and I didn't wake again until 7:10 am..Oh the joy of

it!! I don't want to get hooked on sleepers but I will take one every

few nights till I get more stable with Adrenals & Hypo..before I

didn't want to in case I was masking what was going on with my body

at night i.e reaction to the HC. Also have you tried Kava at all?

Best Wishes

Sara

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen,

I know how you feel! I've been like that since Xmax day. I am on HC

cream waiting for temps to stabilize so I can take Armour again. I

decided last night I couldn't stand another nite of this sleeping

litely and waking every 2 hours with a six hour window so I took a

sleeping pill: Dalmane 15mg. I just felt I had to and TG it worked! I

took a bath and went to bed at 10pm. Last time I looked at the clock

it was 10:45 and I didn't wake again until 7:10 am..Oh the joy of

it!! I don't want to get hooked on sleepers but I will take one every

few nights till I get more stable with Adrenals & Hypo..before I

didn't want to in case I was masking what was going on with my body

at night i.e reaction to the HC. Also have you tried Kava at all?

Best Wishes

Sara

>

> My primary goal in treating my hypothyroidism and adrenals is a

good

> night's sleep. For months I have been waking every night for

several

> hours. So I have been experimenting with PS -- with only limited

> progress. Last night I tried taking licorice at bedtime, in case it

> was LOW cortisol waking me up, but apparently not -- I woke at the

> usual time with my body practically humming and was up for longer

than

> usual. (I don't have any recent labs, but my temperatures have just

> recently stabilized at 98.6, and I don't have any hypo symptoms.)

>

> So I would very much like to know, if you have tried PS, what your

> experience was and especially what finally got you sleeping through

> the night? Taking it earlier? Spreading throughout the day? Upping

the

> dose (to what?)? Using melatonin?

>

> I am desperate and overwhelmed and don't know what to do next.

>

> -Jen

>

[Guest guest]

How did you get the sleeping pills? By prescription? Just like you

said, I'm concerned that sleeping on meds will mask whether the

problem is solved or not. I would so love a good night's sleep...

I haven't tried Kava. Don't know anything about it. What have you

heard about it?

I bought melatonin today. Cross your fingers for me!

Thanks!

Jen

>

>

> Hi Jen,

>

> I know how you feel! I've been like that since Xmax day. I am on

HC

> cream waiting for temps to stabilize so I can take Armour again. I

> decided last night I couldn't stand another nite of this sleeping

> litely and waking every 2 hours with a six hour window so I took a

> sleeping pill: Dalmane 15mg. I just felt I had to and TG it

worked! I

> took a bath and went to bed at 10pm. Last time I looked at the

clock

> it was 10:45 and I didn't wake again until 7:10 am..Oh the joy of

> it!! I don't want to get hooked on sleepers but I will take one

every

> few nights till I get more stable with Adrenals & Hypo..before I

> didn't want to in case I was masking what was going on with my

body

> at night i.e reaction to the HC. Also have you tried Kava at all?

>

> Best Wishes

>

> Sara

>

> >

> > My primary goal in treating my hypothyroidism and adrenals is a

> good

> > night's sleep. For months I have been waking every night for

> several

> > hours. So I have been experimenting with PS -- with only limited

> > progress. Last night I tried taking licorice at bedtime, in case

it

> > was LOW cortisol waking me up, but apparently not -- I woke at

the

> > usual time with my body practically humming and was up for

longer

> than

> > usual. (I don't have any recent labs, but my temperatures have

just

> > recently stabilized at 98.6, and I don't have any hypo symptoms.)

> >

> > So I would very much like to know, if you have tried PS, what

your

> > experience was and especially what finally got you sleeping

through

> > the night? Taking it earlier? Spreading throughout the day?

Upping

> the

> > dose (to what?)? Using melatonin?

> >

> > I am desperate and overwhelmed and don't know what to do next.

> >

> > -Jen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, prescription. it was one of the pluses of being hospitalised!

They tried a few different ones on me before they found Dalmane

worked..when I left the hospital I had a shopping bag of drugs..big

box of xanax and dalmane..I think they were so glad to be rid of me..

Here's where you can read all about and get some top quality Kava:

http://itsmysite.com/kava/

Several family members love it..I must try some tonite..its not

addictive. I was taking 1 or 2 just to relax and stopped a couple

weeks ago to see how I would be..you can take up to 6 for insomnia,

muscle pain or relaxant..when I took the 1 or 2 even though I wasn't

sleeping thru I didn't mind being awake as I was relaxed! If you

decide to try some you'll have to experiment with amount..everyone is

different..Been wondering about trying the melatonin..can't get it in

Ireland so it will take a week to get it from the U.S. I heard it can

take a while to start working but I may be wrong. If I lived close to

you I would share some of my medicine cabinet so u could try!

Best Wishes & good luck with the melatonin Jen

Sara

>

> How did you get the sleeping pills? By prescription? Just like you

> said, I'm concerned that sleeping on meds will mask whether the

> problem is solved or not. I would so love a good night's sleep...

>

> I haven't tried Kava. Don't know anything about it. What have you

> heard about it?

>

> I bought melatonin today. Cross your fingers for me!

>

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kava and Valerian did not do anything for me and Melatonin made me hyper. I

ordered some lemon balm and a couple of other things so we will see if that

works. Just wondering if there was any OTC that adrenal fatigued people had

success with.

Cheri

Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

Thanks Cherie,

ould you try the Kava? I don't know of anything OTC..have heard of

Valerian root but no experience of it

Sara xx

.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Cherie,

ould you try the Kava? I don't know of anything OTC..have heard of

Valerian root but no experience of it

Sara xx

>

> Congratulations on the good night of sleep! Is there an over the

counter one

> that works? Even if I can get a couple of nights of 7-8 hours with

no

> wake-ups I would be happy.

>

> Cheri

> Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia

Please

>

>

>

> Hi Jen,

>

> I know how you feel! I've been like that since Xmax day. I am on

HC

> cream waiting for temps to stabilize so I can take Armour again. I

> decided last night I couldn't stand another nite of this sleeping

> litely and waking every 2 hours with a six hour window so I took a

> sleeping pill: Dalmane 15mg. I just felt I had to and TG it

worked! I

> took a bath and went to bed at 10pm. Last time I looked at the

clock

> it was 10:45 and I didn't wake again until 7:10 am..Oh the joy of

> it!! I don't want to get hooked on sleepers but I will take one

every

> few nights till I get more stable with Adrenals & Hypo..before I

> didn't want to in case I was masking what was going on with my

body

> at night i.e reaction to the HC. Also have you tried Kava at all?

>

> Best Wishes

>

> Sara

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would not remember anymore just that it had a yellow label.

I also remember reading that there were several health issues that Kava

created or made worse. I believe it was that it can make depression worse

and I don't need more of that. Additionally, it was supposed to be avoided

if you have tremors, which I had at the time. I have also had a history of

seizures which I still get every now and then. I think liver problems was

also implicated.

So, I think that one I will avoid but I might look into Valerian again. I

think I still have some at home and maybe I didn't use it long enough.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

-Cherie,

Sorry to hear the Kava didn't work for you. Can I ask where u bought

it and how much you took?? There is much inferior kava out there!

Love

Sara

.

[Guest guest]

Does everybody here have these sleep issues? Or just a " lucky " few?

-Jen

>

>

> Thanks Cherie,

> ould you try the Kava? I don't know of anything OTC..have heard of

> Valerian root but no experience of it

>

> Sara xx

> >

> > Congratulations on the good night of sleep! Is there an over the

> counter one

> > that works? Even if I can get a couple of nights of 7-8 hours

with

> no

> > wake-ups I would be happy.

> >

> > Cheri

> > Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia

> Please

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Jen,

> >

> > I know how you feel! I've been like that since Xmax day. I am

on

> HC

> > cream waiting for temps to stabilize so I can take Armour

again. I

> > decided last night I couldn't stand another nite of this

sleeping

> > litely and waking every 2 hours with a six hour window so I

took a

> > sleeping pill: Dalmane 15mg. I just felt I had to and TG it

> worked! I

> > took a bath and went to bed at 10pm. Last time I looked at the

> clock

> > it was 10:45 and I didn't wake again until 7:10 am..Oh the joy

of

> > it!! I don't want to get hooked on sleepers but I will take

one

> every

> > few nights till I get more stable with Adrenals & Hypo..before

I

> > didn't want to in case I was masking what was going on with my

> body

> > at night i.e reaction to the HC. Also have you tried Kava at

all?

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Sara

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Does everybody here have these sleep issues? Or just a " lucky " few?

-Jen

>

>

> Thanks Cherie,

> ould you try the Kava? I don't know of anything OTC..have heard of

> Valerian root but no experience of it

>

> Sara xx

> >

> > Congratulations on the good night of sleep! Is there an over the

> counter one

> > that works? Even if I can get a couple of nights of 7-8 hours

with

> no

> > wake-ups I would be happy.

> >

> > Cheri

> > Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia

> Please

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Jen,

> >

> > I know how you feel! I've been like that since Xmax day. I am

on

> HC

> > cream waiting for temps to stabilize so I can take Armour

again. I

> > decided last night I couldn't stand another nite of this

sleeping

> > litely and waking every 2 hours with a six hour window so I

took a

> > sleeping pill: Dalmane 15mg. I just felt I had to and TG it

> worked! I

> > took a bath and went to bed at 10pm. Last time I looked at the

> clock

> > it was 10:45 and I didn't wake again until 7:10 am..Oh the joy

of

> > it!! I don't want to get hooked on sleepers but I will take

one

> every

> > few nights till I get more stable with Adrenals & Hypo..before

I

> > didn't want to in case I was masking what was going on with my

> body

> > at night i.e reaction to the HC. Also have you tried Kava at

all?

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Sara

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have had trouble with sleep since childhood too but I think now it is due

to a lifetime of adrenal issues based on my symptoms as a kid. I remember at

age 4 already having the light sensitivity issue and in photos you can see

my pupils dilated big even when bright light was shinning in them which

tells me they could not stay constricted in the bright light like a normal

person's would.

Interestingly, you also see this in drug addicts.

I saw old photos of actress Angelina Jolie recently, taken when she was in

her heavy drug using days (she was a heroine addict for awhile) and her

pupils were big on many photos even with bright lights. I compared that with

more recent photos where her pupils now constrict in bright lights more. I

would bet anything she is getting some kind of treatment for her adrenals.

Adrenals problems are also common with alcoholics.

I gave up drinking at age 19 when I started to have negative reactions to it

and now I have a much better understanding why. That was also the age I had

my wisdom teeth pulled and the openings left unstitched which I think caused

cavitations and bacteria build up because my health really nose dived after

that and I lost a lot of blood. I also had my first major adrenal crisis

that year and a doctor thought I was bipolar after that.

That was the start of my ongoing deteriorating health.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

I'd give anything to get a good night's sleep - a natural good night's

sleep

that is. I've been taking sleeping pills for 20 yrs...

I've always had sleep problems - even as a child - I would wait until

everyone in the house went to sleep and then read.

Whatever is necessary to make one fall asleep - my body does not make it -

I'm wondering now if the tumor on my pituitary is responsible for

suppressing what you need to fall asleep....

Even on sleeping pills a good night for me is 4 hours and many nights I

simple do not fall asleep at all - I just rest..

I'm tired....very, very tired...

SeaLady

[Guest guest]

I find that most natural sleep remedies make my heart pound and/or make me

hyper. It must be an adrenal thing? I haven't found anything that helps me.

Kim

Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

Thanks Cherie,

ould you try the Kava? I don't know of anything OTC..have heard of

Valerian root but no experience of it

Sara xx

.

[Guest guest]

I've used Kava and it is good. I use valerian now and it works, too,

but I think the Kava is better. I quit using it because the brand I

found it in stopped using it, but I have noticed I am seeing it more

and more.

K

[Guest guest]

Thanks, ! If the Melatonin doesn't do it for me, I'll try Kava

next.

-Jen

>

> I've used Kava and it is good. I use valerian now and it works, too,

> but I think the Kava is better. I quit using it because the brand I

> found it in stopped using it, but I have noticed I am seeing it more

> and more.

>

> K

>

[Guest guest]

I'd give anything to get a good night's sleep - a natural good night's sleep

that is. I've been taking sleeping pills for 20 yrs...

I've always had sleep problems - even as a child - I would wait until

everyone in the house went to sleep and then read.

Whatever is necessary to make one fall asleep - my body does not make it -

I'm wondering now if the tumor on my pituitary is responsible for

suppressing what you need to fall asleep....

Even on sleeping pills a good night for me is 4 hours and many nights I

simple do not fall asleep at all - I just rest..

I'm tired....very, very tired...

SeaLady

[Guest guest]

-Cherie,

Sorry to hear the Kava didn't work for you. Can I ask where u bought

it and how much you took?? There is much inferior kava out there!

Love

Sara

>

>

> Kava and Valerian did not do anything for me and Melatonin made

me hyper. I

> ordered some lemon balm and a couple of other things so we will

see if that

> works. Just wondering if there was any OTC that adrenal fatigued

people had

> success with.

>

> Cheri

> Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia

Please

>

> Thanks Cherie,

> ould you try the Kava? I don't know of anything OTC..have heard of

> Valerian root but no experience of it

>

> Sara xx

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

this is just brain storming. melatonin is produced from serotonin in body. at

earlier stages of my adrenal fatigue I was having vivid and excessive dreams

which is sign of serotonin excess. (at lat stage I moved into no dreaming

state).. so I am brain storming that melatonin may not be needed at high

serotonin stages? do you have excessive dreaming? just thoughts.. i don't have

any scientific data on this.

I am thinking what you need is to regulate cortisol.

Nil

Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

How funny about sharing medicine cabinets! As it happens, my drug

store was selling Melatonin Buy-One-Get-One-Free, so I have a whole

extra bottle and I'm not even sure it'll work! If it weren't for

shipping times, I would totally mail it to you!

[Guest guest]

also for insomnia due to low serotonin,melatonin taking daylight at early hours

of the day help.. even 15 minutes in the morning hours.

bw

Nil

Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

I'd give anything to get a good night's sleep - a natural good night's sleep

that is. I've been taking sleeping pills for 20 yrs...

I've always had sleep problems - even as a child - I would wait until

everyone in the house went to sleep and then read.

Whatever is necessary to make one fall asleep - my body does not make it -

I'm wondering now if the tumor on my pituitary is responsible for

suppressing what you need to fall asleep....

Even on sleeping pills a good night for me is 4 hours and many nights I

simple do not fall asleep at all - I just rest..

I'm tired....very, very tired...

SeaLady

[Guest guest]

Interesting thought! You may have something there. My dreams are no

more intense than they were before though so I can't say much about

it. I hope I can get the cortisol in order and my sleep back to

normal before long.

Do you sleep well now?

-J

>

> this is just brain storming. melatonin is produced from serotonin

in body. at earlier stages of my adrenal fatigue I was having vivid

and excessive dreams which is sign of serotonin excess. (at lat

stage I moved into no dreaming state).. so I am brain storming that

melatonin may not be needed at high serotonin stages? do you have

excessive dreaming? just thoughts.. i don't have any scientific data

on this.

> I am thinking what you need is to regulate cortisol.

> Nil

> Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia

Please

>

>

> How funny about sharing medicine cabinets! As it happens, my

drug

> store was selling Melatonin Buy-One-Get-One-Free, so I have a

whole

> extra bottle and I'm not even sure it'll work! If it weren't for

> shipping times, I would totally mail it to you!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes,much better than early days..

bw

Nil

Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

Interesting thought! You may have something there. My dreams are no

more intense than they were before though so I can't say much about

it. I hope I can get the cortisol in order and my sleep back to

normal before long.

Do you sleep well now?

-

[Guest guest]

As long as there's hope! Thank you for that!

-Jen

>

> yes,much better than early days..

> bw

> Nil

> Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia

Please

>

>

> Interesting thought! You may have something there. My dreams are

no

> more intense than they were before though so I can't say much

about

> it. I hope I can get the cortisol in order and my sleep back to

> normal before long.

>

> Do you sleep well now?

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

Be careful with the melatonin - most of what they sell in stores is

3mg and that is a big dose - some people do well on as little as .5mg.

I did not do well at all on 3mg - I believe that it was actually

contributing to my insomnia. YMMV of course, but word to the wise.

>

> How did you get the sleeping pills? By prescription? Just like you

> said, I'm concerned that sleeping on meds will mask whether the

> problem is solved or not. I would so love a good night's sleep...

>

> I haven't tried Kava. Don't know anything about it. What have you

> heard about it?

>

> I bought melatonin today. Cross your fingers for me!

>

> Thanks!

> Jen

[Guest guest]

I appreciate the warning; what I bought was the 3 mg! Maybe I'll try

just half a dose.

-Jen

> >

> > How did you get the sleeping pills? By prescription? Just like

you

> > said, I'm concerned that sleeping on meds will mask whether the

> > problem is solved or not. I would so love a good night's sleep...

> >

> > I haven't tried Kava. Don't know anything about it. What have

you

> > heard about it?

> >

> > I bought melatonin today. Cross your fingers for me!

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Jen

>

[Guest guest]

Melatonin, Tryptophan, Valerian root - none helped and the first two

made it worse for me. I take a small dose of Klonopin (like Xanax) at

night and it helps. Lunesta also works to help me get to sleep but it

doesn't work for everyone and some people report that it leaves an

awful taste in the mouth. I don't get that side-effect which has to

be a first for me since I usually get every side-effect (probably

thanks to lousy adrenals). Klonopin and Lunesta are both prescription

only and the best way to get them is to see a shrink and tell him/her

that you're anxious and can't sleep. I see mine a few times a year,

talk to her for 30 minutes and get new scripts. I'm not recommending

prescription drugs necessarily, but they do help some people,

including me.

And, yes, many of us are experiencing sleep issues.

>

> I find that most natural sleep remedies make my heart pound and/or

make me hyper. It must be an adrenal thing? I haven't found anything

that helps me.

>

> Kim

[Guest guest]

That is adrenal. But weak adrenals can cause thyroid issues too. Cheri

Re: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

Do having sleeping problems and pupil dilation problems since childhood

indicate weak adrenal problem or do these happen when one is hypo

thyroid,too?. Trying to figure out which came first for me.

bw Nil

.

[Guest guest]

Yes,, but my insomnia did not improve because I did something about it but

because I moved into stage 7. Stage 7 has its own problems.. too much

exhaustion,osteoporosis,digestive problems,mal absorption,toxicity,neurological

problems,etc...

bw

Nil/7

Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

As long as there's hope! Thank you for that!

-Jen

>

>