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Posted

In a message dated 2/15/00 2:47:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

onelist writes:

<< There was also this blurb:

Cancer risk point: 10 points according to following Cancer Risk Chart

Cancer Risk Chart:

low >40 points

moderate 20-40 points

high 10-20 points

extremely high < 10 points

Scary stuff. >>

Was this based on the oxidative stress assay? If not, what test was it based

on.?

And how seriously can you take the 'cancer risk points'? I think I can

assure you

that if there were a reliable cancer risk test, the life insurance companies

would

be all over it. And they aren't.

Mike

  • 4 years later...
Posted

ette,

I have not heard this but I have been on AP for over 16 years, and my

breast exams are fine. I am not sure I am right but I think the antibiotics

help

with the heart, fight infection and for viruses. Geoff or someone may have

more info on this. All I can say is I am glad I have been able to have a full

life since AP and walk, sooo as none of us are getting out of here alive I guess

it is personal choice to walk and live or not move and die. Oh just some

humor here sorry Just My View have a great day from Ohio

Posted

Hi ette,

The story was on my local news tonight and first off, don't get too upset.

The reporter on my news stressed that it was a preliminary study and the

results weren't conclusive. Apparently, they discovered that women who had

taken antibiotics at some point in their lives had a higher incidence of

breast cancer, however, it did not in any way conclude that antibiotics had

caused the cancer. In fact, the reporter said the infections the

antibiotics were prescribed to treat may have been the cause of the cancer

increase. Two doctors were interviewed and both said that this study should

in no way scare people away from taking antibiotics. What I do think is

important for people in this group to be aware of is that there MAY be some

increased risk for breast cancer so the prudent thing to do would be to be

more vigiliant about preventative care, such as self-exams and mammograms.

My news station has not yet posted the story on their website but I'll keep

watching and when they do, I'll forward a link to the group.

Hugs

a

rheumatic Cancer risk

> Have any of you heard the report that taking antibiotics for extended

periods of time can increase the risk of breast cancer? I just heard this

on the evening news and was very upset to say the least.

>

> ette

Posted

Hi ette, not only that but

antibiotics suppress to immune

systemy.Maybe that is why they help my

SD. Lynne

Posted

Hi Lynne,

Why do you say that antibiotics suppress the immune system? As the

antibiotics are eliminating infection, the end result of reducing or

eliminating infection is that the immune system is better off.

Chris.

On 17/02/2004, at 6:22 PM, Lynneandsantos wrote:

> Hi ette, not only that but

> antibiotics suppress to immune

> systemy.Maybe that is why they help my

> SD. Lynne

>

Posted

Thanks, Chris. Lynne's statement had me baffled! I started thinking that I

had been wrong about the antibiotics strengthening my immune system!

Patti

Re: rheumatic Cancer risk

> Hi Lynne,

>

> Why do you say that antibiotics suppress the immune system? As the

> antibiotics are eliminating infection, the end result of reducing or

> eliminating infection is that the immune system is better off.

> Chris.

>

> On 17/02/2004, at 6:22 PM, Lynneandsantos wrote:

>

> > Hi ette, not only that but

> > antibiotics suppress to immune

> > systemy.Maybe that is why they help my

> > SD. Lynne

> >

>

>

>

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

>

Posted

The following appeared in today's Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, February17, 2004

STUDY LINKS CANCER, ANTIBIOTICS

From Times Wire Services

CHICAGO - Antibiotic use is associated with an increased risk for breast

cancer, a new study has found, raising the possibility that women who take

the widely used medicines are more likely to develop the disease.

The study of more than 10,000 Washington state women concluded that those

who used the most antibiotics had double the chances of developing breast

cancer, that the association was consistent for all forms of antibiotics

and that the risk increased with the number of prescriptions.

A variety of experts quickly cautioned, however, that the findings should

not stop women from taking the often lifesaving drugs when they need them

to treat infections. There could be other explanations for the association,

and much more research is needed before scientists understand what the

surprising results mean, they said.

" This is not saying that women should stop taking antibiotics. Women should

take antibiotics for infections, " said Taplin, a senior scientist

at the National Cancer Institute who helped conduct the study. " We need to

follow up and find out if this is a real association. "

Nevertheless, the study was so well designed and the findings so striking

that it could be that antibiotic use is an important, previously

unrecognized risk factor for breast cancer, experts said.

The results, which will appear in Wednesday's Journal of the American

Medical Assn., were released Monday. Researchers said the findings provide

another reason for doctors to more judiciously prescribe antibiotics, which

are often used unnecessarily.

Posted

Patti, the antibiotics do not strengthen your immune system. Your immune

system is strengthened through diet and appropriate supplements, and

adequate hydration to keep the intestinal tract clean.

Ethel

Re: rheumatic Cancer risk

>

>

> > Hi ****e,

> >

> > Why do you say that antibiotics suppress the immune system? As the

> > antibiotics are eliminating infection, the end result of reducing or

> > eliminating infection is that the immune system is better off.

> > Chris.

> >

> > On 17/02/2004, at 6:22 PM, ****eandsantos wrote:

> >

> > > Hi ette, not only that but

> > > antibiotics suppress to immune

> > > systemy.Maybe that is why they help my

> > > SD. ****e

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

> >

> >

Posted

So this is supposed to be an example of the FDA conspiring to influence as a

prelude towards gaining control of supplements??? Hmmmm.......

What exactly do you mean by the " AP is a chemical drug? " Tetracyclines are

made biologically from living cells, rather than through chemical synthesis.

They are chemical compounds not unlike vitamins or other supplements.

I view this research the same as all other research - just that its worth

considering. Not sure that your own family's experience carries the

equivalent weight of the records and data of hundreds of other women. Even

if it doubles the risk - like all cancer risk just put it into perspective.

Move to Denver and your cancer risk triples. Move in to a house located on

or near a granite formation and your risk of lung cancer goes up ten-fold.

And the list goes on. If you can't evaluate risk intelligently, you'll be

bound by your own baseless fears.

Jeff

----Original Message Follows----

From: Courtgav@...

rheumatic

Subject: rheumatic Cancer Risk

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:16:33 EST

l did some research as alot you have done. l called CNN in Atlanta Georgia

and they told me that there were no clinical trials done on AP/Breast

Cancer.

They gave me a phone number 1-312-464-4416 stating that it appeared in the

Journal of AMA. Then went onto Boston.Com and found yet another article by

Rob

Stein, The Washington Post, 2-17-04. It does not state clinical trials, it

says

a study done by Velicer, an epidermiologist with Group Health

ative's Center for Health who was the lead author of the study, also

Taplin, a senior scientist at the National Cancer Institute who helped

conduct

the study. Their colleagues examined computerized pharmacy and cancer

screening records of 2,266 women in the Group Health ative, a

seatle-area

health plan, who developed breast cancer, and 7,953 similar women who did

not get

breast cancer. (ls this another insurance company?) JMO, but l would not

base

too much on this finding. Cancer is prevalent in my family and l have

myself

and family members been on AP for years without problems. l have never

heard

before yesterday that AP causes breast cancer in some women. But l have

heard

of all their other drugs causing cancer.

With the FDA trying to gain control of all the alternative suppliments,

although AP is a chemical drug, lt makes me a bit leary and l question any

and all

articles regarding breast cancer and AP.

Just My Opinion Only.

Posted

,

Thank you for researching this issue and reporting to us. When I read the

article in the paper this morning, I was alarmed at the headlines. When I

read the rest of the article I felt it told me really nothing. There was

this statistical connection, but nobody can say what it means. Ethel's post

has more useful information on the subject. There were some speculations in

the article in the paper that maybe cancer is more prevalent in less

healthy women (duh); or maybe the antibiotics may kill good bacteria in the

gut which normally helps the body to use the protective agents in broccoli

and lentils. (Our antibiotic protocol addresses gut health and the need for

probiotics.) I found this article total speculations without much merit

other than a statistical link that could mean anything or nothing. I'm not

losing sleep over that one.

Take care,

Ute

Posted

I recall reading some time ago that minocycline modulates the immune system

by supressing T-cell function, interferring it by blocking receptors. Other

antibiotics affect immunity by other means and also in some cases by

powerfully inhibiting the inflammation process. It is possible that this is

the basis, wholly or in part, behind the positive results experienced with

the AP.

----Original Message Follows----

From: " Patti McCool " <pmccool@...>

" Lynneandsantos " <lynneandsantos@...>, " Adlard "

<cadlard@...>

CC: <rheumatic >, " Warren Portnoy " <wport@...>

Subject: Re: rheumatic Cancer risk

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:38:26 -0500

Thanks, Chris. Lynne's statement had me baffled! I started thinking that I

had been wrong about the antibiotics strengthening my immune system!

Patti

Re: rheumatic Cancer risk

> Hi Lynne,

>

> Why do you say that antibiotics suppress the immune system? As the

> antibiotics are eliminating infection, the end result of reducing or

> eliminating infection is that the immune system is better off.

> Chris.

>

> On 17/02/2004, at 6:22 PM, Lynneandsantos wrote:

>

> > Hi ette, not only that but

> > antibiotics suppress to immune

> > systemy.Maybe that is why they help my

> > SD. Lynne

> >

>

>

>

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

>

Posted

Yes l have read that to about Minocycline, and that is because Minocycline is

a DMARD, stated by the Arthritis Foundation several years ago when it was

accepted as a legitimate treatment due to the O'Dell studies. l have never seen

information stating antibiotics interfer with the immune system. lf you have

documentation on this, it would be nice to share it with us. Thank you.

Posted

This is absolutely true and the real reason why antibiotics help a few

people with arthritis. The rest is just hype and smoke. We have a serious

problem in boarder states in flue season because people go to Mexico and get

Penicillin injections when they have the flu. This is the worse thing you

can do and many people, usually children, die every year. Herxing is

nonsense, just the prevalent allergic reaction to the antibiotic. That's

why people supplement Benadryl. Telling people you have to get worse before

you get better is irresponsible. If you are taking antibiotics and not

improving I suggest you talk to your RD about Enbrel or another biologic

drug before you have irreversible joint damage.

Re: rheumatic Cancer risk

>

>

> > Hi Lynne,

> >

> > Why do you say that antibiotics suppress the immune system? As the

> > antibiotics are eliminating infection, the end result of reducing or

> > eliminating infection is that the immune system is better off.

> > Chris.

> >

> > On 17/02/2004, at 6:22 PM, Lynneandsantos wrote:

> >

> > > Hi ette, not only that but

> > > antibiotics suppress to immune

> > > systemy.Maybe that is why they help my

> > > SD. Lynne

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

> >

> >

Posted

Jeff....At the risk of upsetting you... I disagree with the statement

Antibiotics help a " few " with arthritis. I have sent 12 people to my AP doc and

11

of them are in remission or have radically improved. The 12th one only went

twice before deciding she was not getting well fast enough and therefore it

would not work for her.

Before rushing off to take Embrel, remicade or a host of other standard

arthritis meds may I recommend a book entitled " Worst Pills, Best Pills " (or

maybe it was worst meds best meds) put out by consumer guide with the help of

the national health organization. It is an eye opener and is worth a look. I

imagine most librarys have copys.

A few years ago I read a study from europe that said just the opposite

of this new cancer study. They found that people on long term antibiotics had

LESS cancer, and in those patients with cancer it did not tend to metastize

(spread) as readily. I did not keep it but remember thinking.. " That's good " !!!

I believe that if they have found that people who take more antibiotics have

more cancer it is probably because those people are taking antibiotics because

they are constantly ill with various bacterial problems that their immune

system is not dealing with effectively. My sister has had both skin and colon

cancer, she is sick a lot and takes various meds, it is obvious to me her immune

system is somehow not working right and not protecting her body. I am eight

years older than her and have been on minocin for three years now. I am almost

never sick, even with colds and flu. I have never had any cancers. My immune

system, now that I am off all meds, is functioning well and I eat and take

supplements to keep it that way. Unfortunately, in that study most of the

people were not on AP for arthritis, but instead were probably sickly people who

had multiple health problems and were given numerous prescriptions for various

antibiotics (flagyl is known to be under suspician for being a possible

carcinogenic I believe) and who knows what else.

Obviously sickly people DO develop more diseases than generally healthy

people! If I was a biologist discussing plants it would be resistant plants vs

standard plants, a vetenarian would say some breeds of horses are " hardy " and

others are prone to certain problems. With people in the U.S. you can bet your

bottom dollar that the majority who get sick with even minor illnesses, run to

their doc (like my sister) and get numerous prescriptions everytime she

sneezes!! Saying its the antibiotics is really a stretch in my opinion.

Posted

Hi Ronnie, Sorry, do not agree with you.I will never ask for Enbrel

or the like as that almost killed me the first time around. The

damage that drug does is just amazing! I have lost a good friend to a

sinus infection as she was on enbrel was never told the risk when

another infection is present and that she needed to go off that drug.

I will stick with minocin and tweaking the protocol when necessary as

thats all it needs. Good healthy lifestyke and some supplements

usually do the trick.

Marge

> > >

> > > > Hi ette, not only that but

> > > > antibiotics suppress to immune

> > > > systemy.Maybe that is why they help my

> > > > SD. Lynne

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

> > >

> > >

Posted

Ronnie,

I was just wondering what substantiates your expertise on this subject.

Have you ever done studies to prove that AP does not work? Many medical

establishments have done these studies and have proven otherwise. Have you

ever taken it yourself? I am also curious to know if you, yourself, have

ever taken such a 'life-saving, wonderful' drug such as Enbrel or Remicade?

Would you damage your own immune system? Think about it.

The reason that people take Benadryl is to keep the body from releasing

histamines. The die off of the mycoplasma (the hidden cause of rheumatic

diseases) releases toxins in the body and sets off a release of histamines

(the body's defense system) which, in turn, leads to more pain or an

'allergic reaction'.

You should educate yourself with the research before replying. It would be

irresponsible to do otherwise.

This is a posting board for information regarding the use of AP and other

non-mainstream treatments including holistic, homeopathic and orthomolecular

among others. If you do not support this type of treatment, then why are

you here. Do you have something to gain from confusing people who are sick

of living a compromised lifestyle, and who have come here seeking support

from others who have benefitted from this treatment? That would be sad.

Only best wishes to everyone,

Mel

Re: rheumatic Cancer risk

> >

> >

> > > Hi Lynne,

> > >

> > > Why do you say that antibiotics suppress the immune system? As the

> > > antibiotics are eliminating infection, the end result of reducing or

> > > eliminating infection is that the immune system is better off.

> > > Chris.

> > >

> > > On 17/02/2004, at 6:22 PM, Lynneandsantos wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi ette, not only that but

> > > > antibiotics suppress to immune

> > > > systemy.Maybe that is why they help my

> > > > SD. Lynne

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

> > >

> > >

Posted

Mel,

Well said.

sharon

Re: rheumatic Cancer risk

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hi Lynne,

> > > >

> > > > Why do you say that antibiotics suppress the immune system? As the

> > > > antibiotics are eliminating infection, the end result of reducing

or

> > > > eliminating infection is that the immune system is better off.

> > > > Chris.

> > > >

> > > > On 17/02/2004, at 6:22 PM, Lynneandsantos wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hi ette, not only that but

> > > > > antibiotics suppress to immune

> > > > > systemy.Maybe that is why they help my

> > > > > SD. Lynne

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

> > > >

> > > >

Posted

Maybe I should refrain, but since I am an addressee....

I thought that Ronnie was supporting my statement, " It is possible that

this (minocin's affect on T-cells) is the basis, wholly or in part, behind

the positive results experienced with the AP. "

It is certainly possible to accept some degree of positive results as a

result of the AP, and at the same time not accept the theory that the

antibiotics are counteracting mycoplasms. After all the theory is far from

widely accepted. Modulating the immune sytem such that it counteracts the

effects of autoimmunity is a plausible argument. Favoring one theory or the

other, or both, is mostly opinion at this point.

How many have been helped by the AP? Who knows.....a lot....a few? How

many have not been helped? Again who knows. Makes it difficult to talk

factually about how well something works when the supporting data is

limited. I gave it a shot because there's nothing else out there for me.

But no way is there enough research on this to satisfy my threshold, which

is a bit higher than the average person's for most things anyway. If

somebody wants to accept theories on more simplistic terms - fine, but I

prefer to question and keep an open mind.

And I'm at a loss to understand what the difficulty is in talking to your

doctor about any treatment. This would trouble someone - discussing

options??? Lose the fear.

jeff

----Original Message Follows----

From: " Mellanie Henschel " <mhenschel@...>

" Jeffery scott " <jefferysa@...>, <rheumatic >,

" Ronnie " <ronevans@...>

Subject: Re: rheumatic Cancer risk

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:44:22 -0500

Ronnie,

I was just wondering what substantiates your expertise on this subject.

Have you ever done studies to prove that AP does not work? Many medical

establishments have done these studies and have proven otherwise. Have you

ever taken it yourself? I am also curious to know if you, yourself, have

ever taken such a 'life-saving, wonderful' drug such as Enbrel or Remicade?

Would you damage your own immune system? Think about it.

The reason that people take Benadryl is to keep the body from releasing

histamines. The die off of the mycoplasma (the hidden cause of rheumatic

diseases) releases toxins in the body and sets off a release of histamines

(the body's defense system) which, in turn, leads to more pain or an

'allergic reaction'.

You should educate yourself with the research before replying. It would be

irresponsible to do otherwise.

This is a posting board for information regarding the use of AP and other

non-mainstream treatments including holistic, homeopathic and orthomolecular

among others. If you do not support this type of treatment, then why are

you here. Do you have something to gain from confusing people who are sick

of living a compromised lifestyle, and who have come here seeking support

from others who have benefitted from this treatment? That would be sad.

Only best wishes to everyone,

Mel

Re: rheumatic Cancer risk

> >

> >

> > > Hi Lynne,

> > >

> > > Why do you say that antibiotics suppress the immune system? As the

> > > antibiotics are eliminating infection, the end result of reducing or

> > > eliminating infection is that the immune system is better off.

> > > Chris.

> > >

> > > On 17/02/2004, at 6:22 PM, Lynneandsantos wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi ette, not only that but

> > > > antibiotics suppress to immune

> > > > systemy.Maybe that is why they help my

> > > > SD. Lynne

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

> > >

> > >

Posted

Regarding the proposed risk of cancer to past use of antibiotics - I choose not

to worry. In fact, there may be reason to celebrate.

If you're interested, read the article titled " Leveraging Human Cancer Research

to Treat Pets with Tumors " at

http://www.angio.org/newsandviews/archive2002/July2402.html

Leveraging Human Cancer Research to Treat Pets with Tumors

The Angiogenesis Foundation believes that anti-angiogenic therapy - cutting off

a tumor's blood supply - may be useful in treating pet cats and dogs suffering

from cancer. Scientific evidence suggests that animal tumors survive and

proliferate using the same mechanisms of angiogenesis as human tumors, with 80%

of dog tumors being biologically identical to their counterparts in humans.

Elevated levels of angiogenesis growth factors, such as VEGF and bFGF, are found

circulating in the blood of human cancer patients. The Foundation has made the

same finding in pet dogs and cats with cancer. Biopsies of animal tumors reveal

a dense network of blood vessels similar to those found in human cancers. Based

on their findings, Foundation researchers have focused their efforts on

developing antiangiogenic treatments for animals with tumors. Antiangiogenic

drugs, aimed at the tumor blood supply, generally possess low toxicity and can

be administered over long periods of time as chronic therapy.

The Foundation has developed a proprietary treatment protocol, designated

OLCAT-007, combining three drugs with antiangiogenic properties: Celebrex

(celecoxib), Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate), and doxycycline. Each drug is

FDA-approved for non-oncology indications, and attacks a distinct set of targets

along the angiogenesis pathway. " These three drugs comprise a powerful 'multiple

warhead' attack against cancer, " said Dr. Li, President and Medical

Director of the Foundation, " and they work against several different targets

simultaneously to have an amplified effect on tumors. "

In November 2000, the Angiogenesis Foundation administered OLCAT-007 to Navy, a

young Golden Retriever with a recurrent fibrosarcoma on her leg. Navy's owner

had declined conventional treatments out of concern for her dog's quality of

life. Thirty days after starting the treatment, Navy's tumor had halved in size,

and after thirty more days was no longer visible. Follow-up examinations, blood

tests, and x-rays found a decrease in the angiogenic growth factors VEGF and

bFGF in Navy's blood. There has been no recurrence of the tumor after nine

months of treatment, and Navy is the world's first successful case of

antiangiogenic therapy in pet dogs. The Angiogenesis Foundation is currently

testing OLCAT-007 in a number of dogs with various types of cancer.

To access an additional, more patient oriented description of angiogenesis:

http://www.angio.org/patients/cancer/cancer.html

~Connie

Posted

Good answer and humor, Chris-you almost always make me laugh!

Thanks,

Sally in Little Rock

Re: rheumatic Cancer risk

> ette,

> I have not heard this but I have been on AP for over 16 years, and my

> breast exams are fine. I am not sure I am right but I think the

antibiotics help

> with the heart, fight infection and for viruses. Geoff or someone may

have

> more info on this. All I can say is I am glad I have been able to have a

full

> life since AP and walk, sooo as none of us are getting out of here alive I

guess

> it is personal choice to walk and live or not move and die. Oh just some

> humor here sorry Just My View have a great day from Ohio

>

>

>

Posted

Well put!

I suffer from very few ailments and have been on AP since 12-99. 1st on

Doxycycline for 2 yrs, which was not strong enough and when my rheumie would

NOT switch me to mino, and prescribed ARAVA for me, I took one ARAVA pill,

got on the i-net and looked up this group that my hubby had found for me in

'98. Rose from Australia, to whom I am forever grateful, sent me info on

Dr. Gabe Mirkin, in the DC area and I went to him and got on minocin in Jun.

'02, built up to his AP (100mg mino, twice daily, and 500 mg Zithromax,

twice wkly) and w/in 3 months I was driving again, w/out fear of my hands

swelling so badly that I couldn't hold the steering wheel and would have to

take muscle relaxers and narcotics-Hallelujah-it's been pretty much uphill

since then. I've needed some short term steroid therapy, but am now

volunteering to teach water aerobics, 2x a wk, work out with weights, help

with foster children, maybe even go back to teaching college psych, part

time....

Well, I'm rattling on but can you tell I'm happy?!

Good luck to all-Sally in Little Rock

Re: rheumatic Cancer risk

> Jeff....At the risk of upsetting you... I disagree with the statement

> Antibiotics help a " few " with arthritis. I have sent 12 people to my AP

doc and 11

> of them are in remission or have radically improved. The 12th one only

went

> twice before deciding she was not getting well fast enough and therefore

it

> would not work for her.

> Before rushing off to take Embrel, remicade or a host of other

standard

> arthritis meds may I recommend a book entitled " Worst Pills, Best Pills "

(or

> maybe it was worst meds best meds) put out by consumer guide with the help

of

> the national health organization. It is an eye opener and is worth a

look. I

> imagine most librarys have copys.

> A few years ago I read a study from europe that said just the

opposite

> of this new cancer study. They found that people on long term antibiotics

had

> LESS cancer, and in those patients with cancer it did not tend to

metastize

> (spread) as readily. I did not keep it but remember thinking.. " That's

good " !!!

> I believe that if they have found that people who take more antibiotics

have

> more cancer it is probably because those people are taking antibiotics

because

> they are constantly ill with various bacterial problems that their immune

> system is not dealing with effectively. My sister has had both skin and

colon

> cancer, she is sick a lot and takes various meds, it is obvious to me her

immune

> system is somehow not working right and not protecting her body. I am

eight

> years older than her and have been on minocin for three years now. I am

almost

> never sick, even with colds and flu. I have never had any cancers. My

immune

> system, now that I am off all meds, is functioning well and I eat and take

> supplements to keep it that way. Unfortunately, in that study most of the

> people were not on AP for arthritis, but instead were probably sickly

people who

> had multiple health problems and were given numerous prescriptions for

various

> antibiotics (flagyl is known to be under suspician for being a possible

> carcinogenic I believe) and who knows what else.

> Obviously sickly people DO develop more diseases than generally healthy

> people! If I was a biologist discussing plants it would be resistant

plants vs

> standard plants, a vetenarian would say some breeds of horses are " hardy "

and

> others are prone to certain problems. With people in the U.S. you can bet

your

> bottom dollar that the majority who get sick with even minor illnesses,

run to

> their doc (like my sister) and get numerous prescriptions everytime she

> sneezes!! Saying its the antibiotics is really a stretch in my opinion.

>

>

>

Posted

Hey, Marge!

Sally here-So sorry to hear of the loss of your friend. I get so angry at

docs who don't get their patients off these autoimmune destroyers and then

needless tragedy strikes!!

Did NOT realize how long you were on the big guns girl-so glad you're in the

group, as you always have lots of good info and opinions, and glad you're

doing so well.

Keep it up!

Sally in Little Rock

rheumatic Re: Cancer risk

> Hi Ronnie, Sorry, do not agree with you.I will never ask for Enbrel

> or the like as that almost killed me the first time around. The

> damage that drug does is just amazing! I have lost a good friend to a

> sinus infection as she was on enbrel was never told the risk when

> another infection is present and that she needed to go off that drug.

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> I will stick with minocin and tweaking the protocol when necessary as

> thats all it needs. Good healthy lifestyke and some supplements

> usually do the trick.

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> Marge

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> > > > > Hi ette, not only that but

> > > > > antibiotics suppress to immune

> > > > > systemy.Maybe that is why they help my

> > > > > SD. Lynne

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> > > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

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Hi Sally,

Was sick a long time before I went online an found AP( No thanks to any doc).

2 1/2 yrs of cytoxan and 8yrs of mtx really took its toll and never ever

did I get better for long beforr needing more. (17yrs of pred too. I have RA SLE

SS and Fibro.

I began this journey in 1996 and by 1997 was off the pred and mtx.

AP has been a literal lifesaver for me as well as others here. I am glad to

be a part of this group. We all have a lot fo offer each other.

Love

Marge

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