Just started diet and have one fundamental ques...

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Are you cooking and peeling his fruit?

Jody

mom to -5 and -7

SCD 18 months

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Liz,

For your picky guy, you may need to start using the " sneaky " pancakes or muffins

techinique of " hiding " those veggies and meats in foods he'd fine more

acceptable. Sneaky muffins can have pureed cooked chicken, pureed veggies,

etc..... in a nice fluffy, " bready " cashew butter muffin. He'd never know.

On the yeast issue, I believe Elaine has stated that unless yeast overgrowth is

very high up in the digestive tract (such as thrush seen inside the mouth),

there is no reason to limit honey or fruit. I guess you have to ask yourself

whether or not anti-yeast diets have helped eradicate the problem in the past or

not. Elaine knows that bacterial overgrowth goes hand in hand with yeast.... and

that you can't truly get a handle on yeast by excluding fruit, honey, etc.

alone. The following was copied from Elaine's website (I just went there and did

a search under " yeast " ... and would highly recommend everyone go there and

really read everything she has available there...... fascinating!) :

Carbohydrate Content - Points to Consider

(Caution against Modifying the SCD to a diet with insufficient carbohydrates)

By Elaine Gottschall

Great attention had been paid by both Dr. Sidney Valentine Haas, the

pediatrician who developed the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, as well as the

author, to include foods that would comprise a well balanced, healthful,

therapeutic diet. One of the most important considerations relates to the state

of malnutrition existing in many of the children and adults who begin the

Specific Carbohydrate Diet commitment.

Malnutrition can be the result of chronic intestinal problems which prevent the

absorption of nutrients (vitamins, minerals, calories of protein, fat, and

carbohydrates) as well as unbalanced diets containing an overload of

carbohydrates to which many have become addicted. These infants and children

(and some adults), not adapted to a diet higher in protein than previously

ingested, do not do well unless there is sufficient carbohydrate in the new diet

(SCD) to which they are being introduced. It is recommended by several authors

that by including the allowed carbohydrates, the protein intake will be

increased more slowly after periods of malnutrition (Goodhart and Shils, Fifth

Ed. pgs 57-58). That is the reason that even the introductory diet contains

diluted fruit juices, carrots and honey. After the introductory diet, there is a

wide variety of baked goods, vegetables, and fruits providing a sensible

carbohydrate intake along with protein and fat.

Cutler Ph.D. has commented on the introduction of the Specific

Carbohydrate Diet without sufficient carbohydrates as follows:

Many of these children have underperforming adrenal glands. People with

inadequate adrenal function cannot make their Own blood sugar from other things

and must have some Carbohydrate in their diet, not a lot, but they do poorly on

an Atkins or keto diet.

Many parents who do the SCD avoid fruit due to its supposed Relation to yeast.

Then their picky eaters will not touch the Squashes and other vegetables that

are the few remaining

Carbohydrate sources on the SCD. Honey is permissible but Many will not use it

for their children or the children do not Like it. (You may wish to try a

variety of different honeys;

They can taste quite a bit different depending on what flowers the Bees have

visited.

The children accidentally or purposefully end up on the SCD + low Low

carbohydrate diet, not just SCD.

The question may be asked: how much carbohydrate should the child ingest. The

author advises that the fruits, vegetables, honey, baked goods and, eventually,

some cooked legumes be tried out gradually. Usually as the child or adult

improves, these legal carbohydrates can be used freely with the other allowed

additional foods.

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Patti, mom to Katera, SCD 14 months

Just started diet and have one fundamental ques...

Hello,

My son Isaac, 3 yo w/ASD has been on SCD for about

two weeks and it has been REALLY tough. I have read

BTVC. My question: every other source I've read

(e.g. book, website, including " Custom Priobitotics, a

www.pecanbread.com link) regarding getting rid of

intesinal flora instructs: " eliminate fruit, sugar and

yeast. " Elaine G. seems to know her stuff, but what's

with the discrepancy? It's great that you can use

honey and peeled, cooked fruit on this diet, but is it

truly harmless? Now Isaac sits at the kitchen table

all day whining " apple, apple, apple " or " muffin,

muffin, muffin " (muffins are honey-sweetened). My

husband says " you're the mom, you're in charge of what

he puts in his head " but, for ex. last night he would

not eat the fish/squash dinner I made. He is

self-limiting to the allowable forms of sugar on this

diet, just like he self-limited to rice and potatoes

on GFCF. Thoughts? Thank you. Liz

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My question: every other source I've read

> (e.g. book, website, including " Custom Priobitotics, a

> www.pecanbread.com link) regarding getting rid of

> intesinal flora instructs: " eliminate fruit, sugar and

> yeast. " Elaine G. seems to know her stuff, but what's

> with the discrepancy? >

Hi Liz,

I forwarded your message to Elaine who asked me to respond as follows:

Please inform Liz that people who tell her to avoid fruits, etc. to starve

out yeast haven't even first grade understanidng of biochemistry. The

starch molecule as drawn in my book (and even on my website if the person

has not bought the book and even on Nikki's website in the Netherlands)

shows you that starch found in potatoes, all grains, including corn and

rice) is sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar. And it is a form of sugar that

has the great possibility of feeding yeast because it is not being digested

(broken down into single sugar units which easily enter the bloodstream to

give your child energy.

Carol F.