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So I go to my new rheumy today. Well he says I don't have RA per say

but I have mixed connective tissue disease. Ok so what does that mean

for the AP? Every time I turn around they are telling me something

different. I could just cry and don't know what to think anymore. I

just want to throw all the meds in the trash and wait until I die. He

agreed to let me off the Methotrexate since I think it isnt working

but he wants to start me on Plaquenil. He isn't big on the AP. Just

when I think I have RA now I am told all this. I don't know what to

do now.

Posted

With all due respect, regarding the below response is not necessarily

helpful advice. I have been corresponding w/ by personal email & she

is diagnosed w/a disease that has potential complications including

pulmonary hypertension & fibrosis. I believe her disease diagnosis to be

accurate based on her symptoms & labs. While I do advocate experimenting

w/Minocin, it is NOT prudent advice to tell this young woman that she should

throw away the Dr.'s script. Placquenil is a well tolerated drug w/a good

safety profile & provides enormous benefit which the pt. needs right now. I

would suggest that once she achieves stabilization w/the Placquenil, that

she then could take Minocin. Achieving a clinical remission within the 1st

2 years after diagnosis is very important w/this disease & in my humble

opinion, Placquenil probably gives her the best shot. I realize that you're

just trying to calm her fears, but be careful about what advice you dispense

& she should not take a medication labeled for someone else. I'm glad you

have achieved such good results for whatever rheumatic disorder you have & I

definitely think the infectious theory needs explored. However, Minocin is

still not a proven treatment for MCTD, yet Placquenil is. Patrice

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From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf

Of ehgooding

Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:42 PM

rheumatic

Subject: RE: rheumatic Now What?

Hi,

This is why I said in my earlier email not to worry about labels. So many

of them don't know what the heck they are doing so don't trust they know it

all. They are winging it. They give you a label and that lets them know

which meds to write the script for. They don't always know this but they

are. Don't let this guy mess with your head; you are going to be OK. But

you do need to continue your quest to get the Minocin.

If you can get the Minocin it will all change. So that's all I'd try to do

.... get that Minocin. You may have to play along; i.e., take the piece of

paper/RX for Plaquenil to placate him; don't fill it; call him in a week and

tell him it makes you deathly ill; read about the side effects and tell him

you got a couple of them .... and tell him to call in an RX for Minocin

since you've tried all his meds and they don't work for you. And if he

won't help you tell him you are going elsewhere ... and go to an internist

to see if you get better results. ... another thought - do any of your kids

have acne? See if you can get Mino for them and then take it yourself.

Fight dirty. Do whatever you need to get the Mino. I'm not kidding. El

rheumatic Now What?

So I go to my new rheumy today. Well he says I don't have RA per say

but I have mixed connective tissue disease. Ok so what does that mean

for the AP? Every time I turn around they are telling me something

different. I could just cry and don't know what to think anymore. I

just want to throw all the meds in the trash and wait until I die. He

agreed to let me off the Methotrexate since I think it isnt working

but he wants to start me on Plaquenil. He isn't big on the AP. Just

when I think I have RA now I am told all this. I don't know what to

do now.

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Hi Dolores

Sorry, plaquenil is not an antifinlammatory drug, it is an

antimalarial drug that happens to also help certain autoimmune

disorders. Minocin may have *some* antiinflammatory properties but it

does not come close to ibuprofen, it's primary action is as an

antibiotic. It's very good that you are finding relief from minocin,

but I don't know if it's such a good idea telling folks to

unilaterally ignore their doctor's advice. I was on minocin for a few

years for another problem, and my arthritis symptoms did not get

better and in fact progressed - as with most medicines that work for

some and not always for others.

I believe antibiotics have a major role to play in our disorders, but

for some patients I also believe there is a role for other approaches.

Best wishes -

>

> Hi, Plaquenil is an antiinflammatory, but so is Minocin. I already

had sclerosed lungs when I was diagnosed with S/D & R/A and I also

have developed pulmonary hypertension. Why take two

antiinflammatories when One will do? Ditch the plaquenil. I did and

take no pain pills at all b/cause I have no pain. Simple! Dolores

Posted

Then I suggest you get off this site.

cooky AP 1997

rheumatic Re: Now What?

Hi Dolores

Sorry, plaquenil is not an antifinlammatory drug, it is an

antimalarial drug that happens to also help certain autoimmune

disorders. Minocin may have *some* antiinflammatory properties but it

does not come close to ibuprofen, it's primary action is as an

antibiotic. It's very good that you are finding relief from minocin,

but I don't know if it's such a good idea telling folks to

unilaterally ignore their doctor's advice. I was on minocin for a few

years for another problem, and my arthritis symptoms did not get

better and in fact progressed - as with most medicines that work for

some and not always for others.

I believe antibiotics have a major role to play in our disorders, but

for some patients I also believe there is a role for other approaches.

Best wishes -

>

> Hi, Plaquenil is an antiinflammatory, but so is Minocin. I already

had sclerosed lungs when I was diagnosed with S/D & R/A and I also

have developed pulmonary hypertension. Why take two

antiinflammatories when One will do? Ditch the plaquenil. I did and

take no pain pills at all b/cause I have no pain. Simple! Dolores

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Posted

Cooky, I agree w/. There are times when more than one approach is

warranted. There are patients for whom the antibiotic protocol alone is not

enough. There are a lot of patients on biologics such as Enbrel, etc. who

start taking the AP while on these drugs & are lucky enough to eventually

wean off of them, but that's not true for all of them. There are plenty of

people that take Placquenil in addition to the AP. For someone newly

diagnosed w/a Rheumatic disorder, I feel it's extremely important to get

that person under control as fast as possible to avoid long term damage &

then that person may attempt to wean off of the stronger DMARDs, if able.

Placquenil is a pretty safe drug w/good therapeutic potential. I agree with

that it's not an anti inflammatory.

Patrice

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From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf

Of Cooky

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 2:49 PM

rheumatic

Subject: RE: rheumatic Re: Now What?

Then I suggest you get off this site.

cooky AP 1997

rheumatic Re: Now What?

Hi Dolores

Sorry, plaquenil is not an antifinlammatory drug, it is an

antimalarial drug that happens to also help certain autoimmune

disorders. Minocin may have *some* antiinflammatory properties but it

does not come close to ibuprofen, it's primary action is as an

antibiotic. It's very good that you are finding relief from minocin,

but I don't know if it's such a good idea telling folks to

unilaterally ignore their doctor's advice. I was on minocin for a few

years for another problem, and my arthritis symptoms did not get

better and in fact progressed - as with most medicines that work for

some and not always for others.

I believe antibiotics have a major role to play in our disorders, but

for some patients I also believe there is a role for other approaches.

Best wishes -

>

> Hi, Plaquenil is an antiinflammatory, but so is Minocin. I already

had sclerosed lungs when I was diagnosed with S/D & R/A and I also

have developed pulmonary hypertension. Why take two

antiinflammatories when One will do? Ditch the plaquenil. I did and

take no pain pills at all b/cause I have no pain. Simple! Dolores

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Posted

Hi Talia,

I didn't stop the Minocin. Dr. Franco prescribed Zithromax in conjunction with

the Minocin. I took Minocin on M, W, and F..........and the Zithromax on

Tuesdays and Saturdays. I know what you mean about the Minocin seeming like it

lost it's effect -- it's still working, even though we don't notice big jumps in

improvement. When Dr. Franco added the Zithromax, I again noticed first a

Herxheimer reaction (see the FAQ at www.rheumatic.org) and then the Zithromax

improved areas that had not responded to the Minocin.

It was as if Minocin " fixed " the muscle weakness, pain, and eventually the

fatigue.......and the Zithromax " fixed " (or greatly reduced) my cough (which had

accompanied my rheumatic disease, and was a real pain in the you know what!) and

other symptoms.

I think Dr. Franco's theory is that we can have more than one variety of " bugs "

in our system, and the different antibiotics are specific for some and not

others. Therefore, the combo approach is often quite effective. Also........in

combination, antibiotics often are greater than either one individually. That's

probably why your doc wants to continue the Minocin.

No matter what -- you need to take a good quality acidophilus/bifidus product.

Get a refrigerated brand from your health food store, and look for organisms in

the billions, if available. I take 4 capsules every night, at bedtime.

Eventually the Zithromax started causing episodes of diarrhea (on Z-days). Dr.

Franco took me off of it, and six months later I noticed my cough increasing, so

he added Biaxin to the Minocin. Biaxin on M, Tu, W, Th, and F, and Minocin on

M,W,F. Years later I happened to mention it to Dr. Lallande and he suggested

that I might have been able to stay on the Zithromax and treat the diarrhea by

taking acidophilus/bifidus twice a day, instead of just at night.

It gets tricky -- timing everything! I take the Minocin and Biaxin in the same

swallow, but the acidophilus/bifidus needs to be taken at least two or four

hours away from the abx. The good thing is that now, after 10 years, I don't

have to watch the schedule so tightly -- whew!

Hope this helps! It sounds like your doctor is a peach! He will see YOU get

better and learn more about the AP (incidentally, AP isn't a medically

recognized term -- the members of this group coined the word for simplicity's

sake :-)

Take care,

~Connie

Re: rheumatic Re: Now What?

> Hi Connie,

> When you mentioned that Dr. Franco prescribed Zithromax twice a week

> and non -Minocin days do you mean you stopped Minocin for awhile? I am

> asking you because I am trying to make a decision about what to do. For

> a long time Minocin has stopped making a big difference in my body and

> through Ethel's advice I ask my doctor to switch me to Zithromax. He

> agreed to add it but no to stop it. My doctor is very nice but doesn't

> know much about AP therapy. Yesterday I took my first dosage of Zithromax

> and I felt the difference immediately. If you stop Minocin for how long

> did you do it. Thanks,

> Talia

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Posted

I'm not trying to be snotty here but this is what this web site is

for...antibiotics for auto immune etc. A few months ago this web site was

dying. Exchanging emails prompted us to start speaking up like we did years

ago to encourage people to take a chance on Ap. I will take anyone down a

peg who tries to put down anyone for their opinions or encouragement.

Plaquenil may not be a specific anti inflamatory but it may help during the

time it takes the AP to start working.

cooky

rheumatic Re: Now What?

Hi Dolores

Sorry, plaquenil is not an antifinlammatory drug, it is an

antimalarial drug that happens to also help certain autoimmune

disorders. Minocin may have *some* antiinflammatory properties but it

does not come close to ibuprofen, it's primary action is as an

antibiotic. It's very good that you are finding relief from minocin,

but I don't know if it's such a good idea telling folks to

unilaterally ignore their doctor's advice. I was on minocin for a few

years for another problem, and my arthritis symptoms did not get

better and in fact progressed - as with most medicines that work for

some and not always for others.

I believe antibiotics have a major role to play in our disorders, but

for some patients I also believe there is a role for other approaches.

Best wishes -

>

> Hi, Plaquenil is an antiinflammatory, but so is Minocin. I already

had sclerosed lungs when I was diagnosed with S/D & R/A and I also

have developed pulmonary hypertension. Why take two

antiinflammatories when One will do? Ditch the plaquenil. I did and

take no pain pills at all b/cause I have no pain. Simple! Dolores

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Posted

Sorry if I offended Cookie. I thought I left room for everyone.

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> Then I suggest you get off this site.

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> cooky AP 1997

Posted

Maybe you did and you have the same problem I do. When I use email I

sound like I am mad but I am not. This time I meant to be because anyone who

stifles our site should rethink his reasons for being here. I am SORRY if I

HAVE OFFENDED YOU.

cooky

rheumatic Re: Now What?

Sorry if I offended Cookie. I thought I left room for everyone.

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> Then I suggest you get off this site.

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> cooky AP 1997

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Posted

I agree. We have enough problems without the unnecessary fighting. It just

brings everyone down.

Posted

Just wanted to say that I opened this email at random from the many that are

in my inbox. I've been on a clinical trial for the last 6 months and I have

been through the worst hell of my life. I've lost my job, my husband, my

home my whole life is in tatters and I'm in pain and I'm frightened and I've

got a little toddler to look after. I've worked so hard at trying to get

rid of this the last year and right now, the tears are streaming down my

face because I am so devistated that this has got worse again. I don't

know, and I don't even care anymore why everyone is fighting, it's all that

seems to happen on sites that I try and look at I am just so sad, really so

sad that it hurts right in the pit of my heart that people can't just stop.

Please, I don't know who or what any fights are about but please stop. This

is life, this is our life, is it really important -why don't we all try and

get rid of this thing. Please anyone who reads this. Please just stop.

>From: " Cooky " <cookee1@...>

>Reply-rheumatic

><rheumatic >

>Subject: RE: rheumatic Re: Now What?

>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:58:35 -0400

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>Maybe you did and you have the same problem I do. When I use email I

>sound like I am mad but I am not. This time I meant to be because anyone

>who

>stifles our site should rethink his reasons for being here. I am SORRY if I

>HAVE OFFENDED YOU.

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>cooky

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Posted

COOKY, I MYSELF DIDN'T THINK THIS WAS STRICTLY AN A.P. SITE,

SOMETIMES A.P. DOESN'T AGREE WITH EVERYONE.THEREFORE OTHERS SHOULD HAVE

THERE OPINIONS OR WHAT WORKED FOR THEM? SAID ON THIS SITE.

JUST MY OPINION

ROSE

rheumatic Re: Now What?

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Posted

Hi there,

If you go to the Rheumatic home page on , you will see the description

of what the purpose of the list is.

I copied this " mission statement " so we can have clarity

" Discussion on the use of long term low dosage of antibiotics for the

treatment of auto-immune diseases such as Scleroderma, Lupus, Rheumatoid

Arthritis (RA), Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis, Polymyositis,

Dermatomyositis, Psoriatic Arthritis, Ankylosing Spondylitis, and Reiter's

Syndrome. A) "

Best to all,

Ute

Posted

OK not a problem. I am sorry for what happened to you. I hope your lefe gets

better (little hug).

cooky

rheumatic Re: Now What?

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>Sorry if I offended Cookie. I thought I left room for everyone.

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Posted

When I stick my mouth out there i do a really good job (small smile)..

Sorry.

cooky

Re: rheumatic Re: Now What?

COOKY, I MYSELF DIDN'T THINK THIS WAS STRICTLY AN A.P. SITE,

SOMETIMES A.P. DOESN'T AGREE WITH EVERYONE.THEREFORE OTHERS SHOULD HAVE

THERE OPINIONS OR WHAT WORKED FOR THEM? SAID ON THIS SITE.

JUST MY OPINION

ROSE

rheumatic Re: Now What?

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> Sorry if I offended Cookie. I thought I left room for everyone.

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Posted

Thanks!

Re: rheumatic Re: Now What?

Hi there,

If you go to the Rheumatic home page on , you will see the description

of what the purpose of the list is.

I copied this " mission statement " so we can have clarity

" Discussion on the use of long term low dosage of antibiotics for the

treatment of auto-immune diseases such as Scleroderma, Lupus, Rheumatoid

Arthritis (RA), Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis, Polymyositis,

Dermatomyositis, Psoriatic Arthritis, Ankylosing Spondylitis, and Reiter's

Syndrome. A) "

Best to all,

Ute

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