Re: low carb on a budget

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At 09:41 AM 7/7/05, whimsy2 wrote:

>Not a good idea to eat weeds -- even edible weeds -- on public property.

>Often they've been sprayed with stuff you just don't want to eat.

It if hasn't killed the weed you can probably wash it off. Stuff growing

near highways are also subject to heavy metals from exhausts and the like,

I've heard. Probably better to forage in fields somewhat away from heavy

traffic. Then all you need to worry about is the farmer shooting you or the

bull charging you. 8-)

sky

[Guest guest]

> Now, if you've raised the weeds yourself <g> that's a different matter,

> smile.

Our world is so contaminated that even weeds and food plants raised in our

own gardens may be contaminated with toxins from the air and water.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

> Probably better to forage in fields somewhat away from heavy

> traffic. Then all you need to worry about is the farmer shooting you or

the

> bull charging you.

Or the bear trying to eat the berries before you do. . .

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

I live on 2 ½ acres 9 miles from the nearest store and have tons of weeds

and even wheat (wild) blown over from the fields. Matter of fact tonight

when it cools out come the weeds, they are over taking my garden. Funny

thing is, that area was tilled and tilled and tilled and left for weeks

before I planted and there was nothing growing. Plant the seeds for the

garden and the plants and guess what pops up, weeds, sticker producing

weeds. I still haven’t planted the gr beans and peas. Have to get the apple

and plum trees in the ground and the grape plants.

Kathleen

>Not a good idea to eat weeds -- even edible weeds -- on public property.

Often they've been sprayed with stuff you just don't want to eat.

[Guest guest]

> This site, however, doesn't think you should eat it at any size:

> http://www.aces.edu/dept/extcomm/newspaper/june21b02.html

I think they're being overcautious. A lot of things we eat could be toxic in

high quantitites. The skins of potatoes are toxic when they're green, but

we're not told to avoid potatoes because one might be green. Mushrooms

contain toxins when eaten raw. They're harmless unless eaten in hug

quantities. Apple and almond seeds contain cyanide. Lots of people drink

herbal teas made from ingredients that haven't been well tested. People have

been eating " fiddleheads " or the young shoots of a particular kind of fern

for years, and now we're told they're toxic.

Milkweed is on the list of toxic plants for sheep, but my sheep and goats

love milkweed and they've never gotten sick. They can apparently eat some of

" toxic " plants as long as they're eating other things as well. I'm sure this

is true of humans too. A diet of nothing but pokeweed or nothing but

milkweed shoots might not be advisable, but as an occasional dish, it's not

apt to harm.

I think too many people think Americans have no sense, so they want us to

eat nothing but commercial foods, which could be contaminated with

salmonella and almost devoid of nutrients. I'd rather eat pokeweed than a

potentially contaminated burger prepared at a restaurant by an unknown cook.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

I eat peanut butter all the time --I alternate daily with almond butter.

However I only use 1 tbs at a time because of the calories.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, ALC, Vit C, Calc/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 40 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Well Dora I'm glad you did all right on that diet --don't know if you

were diabetic then--but if I tried to eat that stuff now I'd have an A1c

of around 9 rather than the 5.3 I do have.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, ALC, Vit C, Calc/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 40 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

PB on wasa?

Still haven't figured out how anyone can eat wasa crackers.

Apparently people do, tho, cause they're still around!

SulaBlue

> I eat peanut butter all the time --I alternate daily with almond

butter.

> However I only use 1 tbs at a time because of the calories.

>

>

> cappie

[Guest guest]

Are there any vitamins left after all of that draining, LOL? Sue

> after you pick the new leaves you wash it then

> cover in water and cook 10 min-drain it

> cover in water and cook 10 min-drain it

> cover in water and cook 10 min-drain it

> yep do it three times

> drain it again ,fry some bacon pieces and onions then add the polk

> salad and cook maybe 10 min till all is hot and make some corn bread

> and

> enjoy

[Guest guest]

<snip>

>

> I think too many people think Americans have no sense, so they

> want us to eat nothing but commercial foods, which could be

> contaminated with salmonella and almost devoid of nutrients. I'd

> rather eat pokeweed than a potentially contaminated burger

> prepared at a restaurant by an unknown cook.

>

> Gretchen

Not just Americans. If we never ate all the various foods that are

supposedly bad for us - we'd starve to death.

It's a pity that " common sense " is so uncommon.

Cheers, Alan

[Guest guest]

> Oh; sometimes I made sandwiches of high quality peanut butter

instead of meat. But you wouldn't wnt to do that consistently

because even though it contains all the right oils, peanut butter is

very artherogenic.

> Yours,

> Dora

Hi Dora

I have never heard that one before. PB is one of my favourite snacks.

Could you please provide some support for that comment before I cut

it from the menu?

Cheers, Alan, T2 D & E, Australia

[Guest guest]

At 10:11 AM 7/7/05, Gretchen wrote:

>Or the bear trying to eat the berries before you do. . .

We used to go berry-picking in Alaska and an important accessory was a

rifle. Not that bears lurk about in the bushes waiting to leap on

berry-pickers, but you didn't want to surprise one, either, or get between

a mom and her cubs. You can usually smell 'em first, though.

sky

[Guest guest]

I love Wasa! And PB or cheese or most other toppings are great!

Re: low carb on a budget

PB on wasa?

Still haven't figured out how anyone can eat wasa crackers.

Apparently people do, tho, cause they're still around!

SulaBlue

> I eat peanut butter all the time --I alternate daily with almond

butter.

> However I only use 1 tbs at a time because of the calories.

>

>

> cappie

[Guest guest]

At 08:13 PM 7/6/05, Dora wrote:

>What I actually did last time money got tight was;

>

>I cooked a week's worth of oatmeal at a time (with cinnamon) in my crock

>pot. and refrigerated it. Served a half cup with milk, a glass of half

>OJ and half water, and coffee, for breakfast.

This was before you had diabetes, I suppose? Or do you have it? I can't

remember.

sky

[Guest guest]

At 02:54 PM 7/7/05, Gretchen wrote:

> > This site, however, doesn't think you should eat it at any size:

> > http://www.aces.edu/dept/extcomm/newspaper/june21b02.html

>

>I think they're being overcautious.

Me, too. I've eaten polk and I'm just fine (he-yuk, he-yuk)

>I think too many people think Americans have no sense, so they want us to

>eat nothing but commercial foods,

Hm, those would be the sugared cereal-makers, no?

sky

[Guest guest]

Yup I love high fiber Wasa & I put 1 tbs of pb & 1 tbs of choc soy

butter with a smear of yogurt cream (plain drained yogurt) & some flax

seed---tastes sort of like a healthy version of a smores believe it or

not.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, ALC, Vit C, Calc/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 40 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

I prefer month-old newspaper to Wasa. With proper aging, the newspaper

takes on a stiff, brittle quality resembling that of the Wasa, though

not quite so tough.

My favorite newspaper is the Wall Street Journal. It's lower in carbs

than the NY Times, even though it is slightly higher in fat.

My only problem with the WSJ is that it doesn't come wrapped in

plastic. When the guy in the delivery truck chucks the paper into the

gutter, as frequently happens, it takes extra time for the paper to

become brittle. And, often, a disagreeable odor or taste persists.

But, to my taste, the overall palatability is still superior to the

Wasa.

As they say, " One man's meat is another man's poison " and " there's no

disputing matters of taste. "

Cheers,

> I love Wasa! And PB or cheese or most other toppings are great!

[Guest guest]

We used to go berry-picking in Alaska and an important accessory was a

rifle. Not that bears lurk about in the bushes waiting to leap on

berry-pickers, but you didn't want to surprise one, either, or get between

a mom and her cubs. You can usually smell 'em first, though.

sky

Boy isn't that the truth. Bears smell worse then a skunk. When we go

camping for our actual vacation, here in a couple of weeks, we take 2

rifles, and a 357 with hollow points. You have to be careful because there

are not only bears but Moose have been transplanted and they are very

protective of each other.

Kathleen

[Guest guest]

" choc soy butter " *EARS PERKING - Say what? Huh? INFO PLEASE!

PMSing and jonesing for chocolate - so bad I was eating raw cocoa powder!

SulaBlue

> Yup I love high fiber Wasa & I put 1 tbs of pb & 1 tbs of choc soy

> butter with a smear of yogurt cream (plain drained yogurt) & some flax

> seed---tastes sort of like a healthy version of a smores believe it or

> not.

>

>

> cappie

> Greater Boston Area

> T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

> 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

>

> ALA/EPO, ALC, Vit C, Calc/mag,

> low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

> Policosanol, fish oil cap,

> fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

> Lovastatin 40 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

>

> 5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

> 5' tall /age 67,

> cappie@w...

[Guest guest]

Ah, love it -- " to jones " --

maybe you should explain that for ou Aussie members...

Vicki

Re: low carb on a budget

> " choc soy butter " *EARS PERKING - Say what? Huh? INFO PLEASE!

>

> PMSing and jonesing for chocolate - so bad I was eating raw cocoa

> powder!

>

> SulaBlue

>

>

>> Yup I love high fiber Wasa & I put 1 tbs of pb & 1 tbs of choc soy

>> butter with a smear of yogurt cream (plain drained yogurt) & some

>> flax

>> seed---tastes sort of like a healthy version of a smores believe it

>> or

>> not.

>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the giggle, Bill!

Vicki

Re: Re: low carb on a budget

>I prefer month-old newspaper to Wasa. With proper aging, the newspaper

> takes on a stiff, brittle quality resembling that of the Wasa, though

> not quite so tough.

>

> My favorite newspaper is the Wall Street Journal. It's lower in carbs

> than the NY Times, even though it is slightly higher in fat.

>

> My only problem with the WSJ is that it doesn't come wrapped in

> plastic. When the guy in the delivery truck chucks the paper into the

> gutter, as frequently happens, it takes extra time for the paper to

> become brittle. And, often, a disagreeable odor or taste persists.

> But, to my taste, the overall palatability is still superior to the

> Wasa.

>

> As they say, " One man's meat is another man's poison " and " there's no

> disputing matters of taste. "

>

> Cheers,

>

>

>> I love Wasa! And PB or cheese or most other toppings are great!

>

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:41:00 -0400, Sky

wrote:

>At 09:41 AM 7/7/05, whimsy2 wrote:

>

>>Not a good idea to eat weeds -- even edible weeds -- on public property.

>>Often they've been sprayed with stuff you just don't want to eat.

>

>It if hasn't killed the weed you can probably wash it off. Stuff growing

>near highways are also subject to heavy metals from exhausts and the like,

>I've heard. Probably better to forage in fields somewhat away from heavy

>traffic. Then all you need to worry about is the farmer shooting you or the

>bull charging you. 8-)

No heavy metal (lead) for oh, 20 years now since the lead was taken

out of the gasoline.

You're right about the herbacides. Before anyone believes any of this

the-sky-is-falling stuff about roadside goodies, consider this. The

stuff that settles out on the goodies, if any, is also in the air.

Air that you breath. If you're living and in good health before you

eat the goodies, you will be afterward, also.

---

De Armond

See my website for my current email address

http://www.johngsbbq.com

Cleveland, Occupied TN

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:35:30 -0400, Sky

wrote:

>Just a note about polk greens. You have to get them when they're just out

>of the ground...no more than maybe 4-6 inches tall. Once the plant gets

>larger the leaves become poisonous.

FWIW, my grandfather used to eat the leaves at all sizes. Not that

I'm recommending anyone do that. OTOH, he did live until his late

90s.... I remember my grandmother cooking them but I don't recall

how.

>

>This site, however, doesn't think you should eat it at any size:

>http://www.aces.edu/dept/extcomm/newspaper/june21b02.html

What a l00ser. By his logic then, we don't eat almonds because they

contain toxic cyanide.

---

De Armond

See my website for my current email address

http://www.johngsbbq.com

Cleveland, Occupied TN

[Guest guest]

Well Sula it is by I.M.Healthy either in the pb section or the natural

foods section as I've seen it in both in different stores. It is 4 1/2

net carbs per tbs from sugar. (I wish they made a Splenda version)

Not a dark strong choc taste (I don't like chocolate) but enough to add

a bit of sweetness to the mix.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, ALC, Vit C, Calc/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 40 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

I suspect it translated, what with the 'PMSing' and 'Eating raw cocoa' (which is

really sorta

bitter, and not all that great!)

ing: Craving intensely, sometimes to insane levels that occupy the mind for

days.

SulaBlue

> Ah, love it -- " to jones " --

> maybe you should explain that for ou Aussie members...

> Vicki

>

> Re: low carb on a budget

>

>

> > " choc soy butter " *EARS PERKING - Say what? Huh? INFO PLEASE!

> >

> > PMSing and jonesing for chocolate - so bad I was eating raw cocoa

> > powder!

> >

> > SulaBlue