Re: Update and Fruit Question

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie,

You can use vegetable glycerin instead of honey; it doesn't feed yeast and

is legal on SCD (you can bake with it, etc.) Stevia and xylitol (birch

sugar) don't feed yeast, either, but they're not SCD-legal. Pears,

cranberries, and blueberries don't feed yeast as other fruits do. You

could use No-Fenol (an enzyme from Houston Nutraceuticals =

www.houstonni.com) to help curb yeast; we use Houston enzymes (the rice

bran formulations), and really like them. Candex is an enzyme that works

in a similar fashion to No-Fenol; I think it's legal on SCD, but I'm not

sure. I agree that the SCD diet is VERY healthy; your doctor may not know

much about it (you could check out a copy of Elaine's book from the library

and lend it to her/him).

At 03:38 PM 6/11/2004 +0000, you wrote:

>I've barely posted here, since I've been so busy getting info to get

>this diet right! My ASD son has been on it for only 2 weeks, and

>already we've seen constipation improvement, much more verbal

>expression, and improvement with using the toilet, AND, my favorite:

>increased appetite!

>

>I have a question for myself, though. I have to go on antibiotics,

>probably for a while, and my doctor said I should go on an anti-yeast

>diet, but says I shouldn't have any fruit. This conflicts with what

>I understand about the SCD diet. I really tried finding info. about

>this but didn't find much. Can anyone help me understand what seems

>like a discrepancy? I'd like to go on the SCD diet myself, just

>because I can see how healthy it is now. Thanks for any info in

>advance.

>

>Debbie

>

>Mother of Mark, ASD, 7 yo, (SCD 2 weeks) and Oliver, healthy and

>rambunctious, 23 mos.

>

>

>

>For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

><http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.inf\

o

>and

><http://www.pecanbread.com>http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Elaine has stated that she doesn't mind a bit of glycerin in a supplement or

flavoring.... but that she doesn't want to see anyone using it as a

sweetener..... baking with it, using it to make pancake syrup, etc. So.... it's

not illegal if it's in very small quantities.

Also..... here's some comments about Xylitol from Tamaro:

<<Xylitol is a sugar alcohol which is not absorbed or digested in the small

intestines because humans don't have the enzymes to digest it. It goes, intact,

right down to the large intestines, where it is broken down by bacteria. (I got

this information straight from the manufacturer's website.) " Broken down by

bacteria " is just another term for fermentation, which is what we are trying to

eliminate. Kirkman claims on its website that xylitol doesn't feed yeast so

people think it's OK to use, when in fact it's SCD-illegal for a very clear

reason.

>>

Patti, mom to Katera

Re: Update and Fruit Question

Hi Debbie,

You can use vegetable glycerin instead of honey; it doesn't feed yeast and

is legal on SCD (you can bake with it, etc.) Stevia and xylitol (birch

sugar) don't feed yeast, either, but they're not SCD-legal. Pears,

cranberries, and blueberries don't feed yeast as other fruits do. You

could use No-Fenol (an enzyme from Houston Nutraceuticals =

www.houstonni.com) to help curb yeast; we use Houston enzymes (the rice

bran formulations), and really like them. Candex is an enzyme that works

in a similar fashion to No-Fenol; I think it's legal on SCD, but I'm not

sure. I agree that the SCD diet is VERY healthy; your doctor may not know

much about it (you could check out a copy of Elaine's book from the library

and lend it to her/him).

At 03:38 PM 6/11/2004 +0000, you wrote:

>I've barely posted here, since I've been so busy getting info to get

>this diet right! My ASD son has been on it for only 2 weeks, and

>already we've seen constipation improvement, much more verbal

>expression, and improvement with using the toilet, AND, my favorite:

>increased appetite!

>

>I have a question for myself, though. I have to go on antibiotics,

>probably for a while, and my doctor said I should go on an anti-yeast

>diet, but says I shouldn't have any fruit. This conflicts with what

>I understand about the SCD diet. I really tried finding info. about

>this but didn't find much. Can anyone help me understand what seems

>like a discrepancy? I'd like to go on the SCD diet myself, just

>because I can see how healthy it is now. Thanks for any info in

>advance.

>

>Debbie

>

>Mother of Mark, ASD, 7 yo, (SCD 2 weeks) and Oliver, healthy and

>rambunctious, 23 mos.

>

>

>

>For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

><http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.inf\

o

>and

><http://www.pecanbread.com>http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Pears, cranberries, and blueberries don't feed yeast as other

fruits do. "

I just need to point out that this line of thinking is based on a

completely different viewpoint than SCD.

Elaine explains in her book that fruits consist of

monosaccharides and are absorbed readily into the body.

Unpeeled fruits contain pectin in the skins which is more difficult

to digest. Thus the recommendations for peeling fruits at the

beginning of SCD. Cooking the fruits (and veggies) helps to

soften the cell walls and make the food more easily digested.

Raw and unpeeled foods can be added to the diet once the gut

healing is progressing and the raw, unpeeled fruits cause no

digestion problems.

The only time fruits might be limited would be if there is oral

thrush present. In my edition of the book on page 27, it also

mentions that honey should be cut back by 75% if oral thrush is

present.

Jody

mom to -5 and -7

SCD 16 months

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Debbie,

> You are right. This is a conflict with the SCD. There is not a

> limitation of fruit with the SCD, except that it be cooked and

seeded

> in the beginning. Elaine has stated many times that this idea of

> eliminating fruit in order to combat yeast goes against the science

> of the diet. As someone said before, the yeast and bacteria live

> together in a biofilm. By eating simple sugars only, we are

starving

> both. Elaine is very clear about this in the book. This doctor

> probably hasn't read it.

>

> Sometimes the healing process doesn't go as quickly as people would

> like so they try various methods of speeding it up. One of the

common

> things people try is elimination of fruit. Well, this is not really

> acceptable SCD practice and is not recommended - certainly not long

> term. Fruit is one of the major ways we get good carbs and many

other

> necessary nutrients that make the diet as healthy as it is.

>

> People are obviously able to do what they think is best for their

own

> child or for themselves, but doing things that are not part of SCD

as

> it is written really isn't a topic on this list. I'm not trying to

> scold or otherwise be negative in any way - just want to clarify

for

> all those wondering - newbie or not - FRUIT IS ALLOWED on the SCD.

> For further clarification on specific fruits, please see BTVC or

the

> website.

>

> Thanks,

>

> son - 5yo ASD, SCD 15 months

,

Thank you for the info. The BTVC edition I have seems to refer

to " bacteria " without using the word " yeast " much, so I began to get

the false idea that they were somehow separate from each other.

Please excuse my ignorance. This was THE reason why I got confused,

but I see now that when she refers to the " bad " bacteria, she IS

referring to the yeast, so, in effect, it is THE anti-yeast diet. I

certainly did not intend to confuse any newbies - Elaine makes it

very clear that fruits are okay and explains why very well. In fact,

this confirms even further for me that I will stick to the SCD diet

AND eat fruit, prepared correctly, as it is certainly working for my

son, and the logic makes sense. I am truly sorry if I have confused

or offended anyone by my question. I have a wonderful doctor who

would probably not be offended if I told him about the diet.

Debbie

Mom of Mark, 7 yo, ASD (SCD 2 weeks), and Oliver, 23 mos.