Re: just ordered armour

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I would not start at anything less than 30MGS 2 times a day. And even that I

wouldn;t stay on over 3 weeks. Your hypo symptoms ( & everything you listed

is a hypo symptom) are liable to return with a vengeance as that is a very

low dosage of thyroid. Did your doctor do any other thyroid labs? Like maybe

a Free T3 or Free T4? The TSH test is so unreliable! Can I ask why you had

partial thyroidectomy?

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> I would not start at anything less than 30MGS 2 times a day. And

even that I

> wouldn;t stay on over 3 weeks. Your hypo symptoms ( & everything

you listed

> is a hypo symptom) are liable to return with a vengeance as that

is a very

> low dosage of thyroid. Did your doctor do any other thyroid labs?

Like maybe

> a Free T3 or Free T4? The TSH test is so unreliable! Can I ask why

you had

> partial thyroidectomy?

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

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Hi ;

You can add depression to my list. I just went upstairs for a

good cry ( " why won't this doctor help me?? " ).

Well, it really started in earnest w/ three consecutive

miscarriages, being ping ponged by every ob/gyn I've ever seen to an

endo only to be told I was normal. During the last miscarriage a

lump was discovered, an FNA proved inconclusive/suspicious, so I had

it removed. My tsh went (from when it was tested directly after

miscarrying my third child, an autopsy revealed no genetic

abnormality n my daughter) from 2.11 to 1.7 after surgery in May, to

4.25 in early october. I've been on synthroid since 10/15 of this

year

Sim

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>> You can add depression to my list. I just went upstairs for a

good cry ( " why won't this doctor help me?? " ).<<

My heart goes out to you! I never could have children and ended up with a

early hysterectomy from all the doctor screw ups early on. I can't imagine

getting pumped up for a baby three times only to end in disappointment. As

to why they won;t help you, some just don't know. After all the

pharmaceutical industry funds all their schooling and gives then trips

(educational, mind you) to the Bahamas, and then they get a kick back on the

TSH testing they order. Why would they learn different? It';s just a bunch

of laze housewives that have no drive to get off their lazy butts and

exercise so they think we all sit at home & eat all day and get depressed

just cause. Well I am NOT depressed in the least anymore, but I sure have

been.. Three suicide attempts, and I bet this list could count MANY more.

And not a ONE was from anyone being a pig or lazy, but from having such a

misunderstood disease and frustration from the lack of good medical care for

it. ok I will step off my soap box again... LOL

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> >> You can add depression to my list. I just went upstairs for a

> good cry ( " why won't this doctor help me?? " ).<<

>

> My heart goes out to you! I never could have children and ended up

with a

> early hysterectomy from all the doctor screw ups early on. I can't

imagine

> getting pumped up for a baby three times only to end in

disappointment. As

> to why they won;t help you, some just don't know. After all the

> pharmaceutical industry funds all their schooling and gives then

trips

> (educational, mind you) to the Bahamas, and then they get a kick

back on the

> TSH testing they order. Why would they learn different? It';s just

a bunch

> of laze housewives that have no drive to get off their lazy butts

and

> exercise so they think we all sit at home & eat all day and get

depressed

> just cause. Well I am NOT depressed in the least anymore, but I

sure have

> been.. Three suicide attempts, and I bet this list could count

MANY more.

> And not a ONE was from anyone being a pig or lazy, but from having

such a

> misunderstood disease and frustration from the lack of good

medical care for

> it. ok I will step off my soap box again... LOL

>

>

Hi !;

It's awful, isn't it? My doctor finally called back (11 hours

after my frantic plea),....and that was when I was upstairs having a

good cry, and didn't hear the phone! He'd probably only have

depressed me , anyway.

I'm so sorry that you (and everyone else) feels so bad {{hugs}}}.

sometimes, it helps me to actually tell myself: " This is *not* my

natural thought pattern! What is upsetting me is of a chemical

nature! "

I have been sooo active before this hit me. Even now, I still

hike and do step aerobics; but I am definitely slowing down. Last

year, at disneyworld with myson who was 7, I actually was able to

run up the entire 80 feet of steps leading up to a huge water park

slide. This year, I could barely walk up the same steps, and was out

of breath. I started to vaguely worry that I may have cancer or

something.

This past week on synthroid, I did one 1 hour hike two days ago,

and was exhausted for two days. This is *not* like me! Forget about

any other kind of exercise! Is it possible that synthroid can

actually accelerate hypo symptoms ?? I mean , sounds crazy, I know,

but that's how it's beginning to feel. I don't know if I should just

stop taking it until my armour comes (or, if my doctor exhibits a

heart and prescribes it for me).

Sim

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>>Is it possible that Synthroid can

actually accelerate hypo symptoms ?? I mean , sounds crazy, I know,

but that's how it's beginning to feel. I don't know if I should just

stop taking it until my Armour comes (or, if my doctor exhibits a

heart and prescribes it for me). <<

While it is possible it is unlikely. It is just your thyroid is getting worse,

which happens to most of us sooner or later. I would not advise going off all

thyroid meds to wait for the Armour. Even Synthroid is better than nothing when

you are real hypo.

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Sim wrote:

> I have been sooo active before this hit me. Even now, I still

> hike and do step aerobics; but I am definitely slowing down...

>

> This past week on synthroid, I did one 1 hour hike two days ago,

> and was exhausted for two days. This is *not* like me!

It's called exercise intolerance, and it can be a hypo symptom. If

exercise exhausts you, then you need to stop exercising for now. Yes,

you will get out of shape, and that's hard for us athletic types to

accept. But each time you exhaust yourself like that, you set your

recovery back. Right now you need all your energy for healing. After

your body has healed itself, you will be able to exercise again and get

back in shape. I was a mountain biker who rode 10 miles (each way) to

work and then went on long rides on the weekends. When I got sick, even

with the Armour, I still had to spend a good six months in my easy

chair, healing the damage. Now, a year later, I'm starting to exercise

again. It does come back.

> Is it possible that synthroid can

> actually accelerate hypo symptoms ?? I mean , sounds crazy, I know,

> but that's how it's beginning to feel. I don't know if I should just

> stop taking it until my armour comes (or, if my doctor exhibits a

> heart and prescribes it for me).

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I used to exercise up to 2 hours each day in my home plus walking, hatha yoga in

a class & thrice weekly water aerobics classes that my (then) doctor prescribed

for my osteoarthritis. And that was just earlier this year. But that's nothing

new for me...been doing that every day for about 40 years anyway.

But I'm 67yo & have chronic pain & it was getting worse & worse & I was just

exhausting myself trying to keep up with all. So after I fell off the chair in

March, crushed my vertabrae & got bursitis in my hip so bad I couldn't walk, I

said " That's enough " . No more exercise until I find out what the heck is wrong

with me & get it fixed somehow, someway. Until then, I'm sitting on my butt or

lying down in bed & not doing a lick of exercise, even though my new doctor told

me to start walking outside every day.

Nope...I ain't gonna do it until I get my thyroid problems under control. I need

the rest, even though I'm getting a little pot belly. But who cares anyway? I'm

not married, live alone & not out beating the bushes to find a boyfriend either.

I'm resting no matter what anybody says otherwise or how I look or whatever &

that's that!!!

Caroline

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Sim wrote:

> I have been sooo active before this hit me. Even now, I still

> hike and do step aerobics; but I am definitely slowing down...

>

> This past week on synthroid, I did one 1 hour hike two days ago,

> and was exhausted for two days. This is *not* like me!

It's called exercise intolerance, and it can be a hypo symptom. If

exercise exhausts you, then you need to stop exercising for now. Yes,

you will get out of shape, and that's hard for us athletic types to

accept. But each time you exhaust yourself like that, you set your

recovery back.

[Guest guest]

>

> > I have been sooo active before this hit me. Even now, I still

> > hike and do step aerobics; but I am definitely slowing down...

> >

> > This past week on synthroid, I did one 1 hour hike two days

ago,

> > and was exhausted for two days. This is *not* like me!

>

> It's called exercise intolerance, and it can be a hypo symptom. If

> exercise exhausts you, then you need to stop exercising for now.

Yes,

> you will get out of shape, and that's hard for us athletic types

to

> accept. But each time you exhaust yourself like that, you set your

> recovery back. Right now you need all your energy for healing.

After

> your body has healed itself, you will be able to exercise again

and get

> back in shape. I was a mountain biker who rode 10 miles (each way)

to

> work and then went on long rides on the weekends. When I got sick,

even

> with the Armour, I still had to spend a good six months in my easy

> chair, healing the damage. Now, a year later, I'm starting to

exercise

> again. It does come back.

>

>

Dear ;

Thanks for the post. You know, with all of my exercising, I'll

never , ever be in " model " shape, I'm only 5'2, with rather short

legs , chesty w/ rounded hips. However, it's the feel of being

physical that I miss! I don't know if it's because I'm an endorphin

junkie or because getting out there and running, hiking, dancing,

swimming, even gymnastics all made/make me feel soo alive; and so

happy! It's like, I don't know who this person is, who I've become.

Sim

>

> > Is it possible that synthroid can

> > actually accelerate hypo symptoms ?? I mean , sounds crazy, I

know,

> > but that's how it's beginning to feel. I don't know if I should

just

> > stop taking it until my armour comes (or, if my doctor exhibits a

> > heart and prescribes it for me).

[Guest guest]

>

> > I have been sooo active before this hit me. Even now, I

still

> > hike and do step aerobics; but I am definitely slowing down...

> >

> > This past week on synthroid, I did one 1 hour hike two days

ago,

> > and was exhausted for two days. This is *not* like me!

>

> It's called exercise intolerance, and it can be a hypo symptom.

If

> exercise exhausts you, then you need to stop exercising for now.

Yes,

> you will get out of shape, and that's hard for us athletic types

to

> accept. But each time you exhaust yourself like that, you set

your

> recovery back.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sim wrote:

> However, it's the feel of being

> physical that I miss! I don't know if it's because I'm an endorphin

> junkie or because getting out there and running, hiking, dancing,

> swimming, even gymnastics all made/make me feel soo alive; and so

> happy! It's like, I don't know who this person is, who I've become.

Oh, absolutely. Regular exercise makes you feel wonderful. Not just

while you're doing it, but all the time. It's a real loss to give that

up while you're healing. I did wonder where the old athletic me had

gone, when I got too tired to even want to exercise. I wondered if those

days were gone forever. It was sad, especially since my husband was my

mountain biking partner and we had had such good times together.

The good news is that, at least in my experience, it all comes back once

your body has had time to heal. I'm starting out slow, because I'm out

of shape after so many inactive years, but I'm exercising and enjoying

it, my stamina is increasing, and I'm much more alert, especially in the

mornings.

You may not have to completely give up exercise, though. Some people can

exercise lightly (a 20-minute walk instead of an hour and a half hike)

without feeling awful the next day or two, so they keep getting some of

those benefits even while recovering.

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TY for the confirmation, Sim. Guess I need to read that. Everyone in my life, my

kids, my athletic jock sister, friends, keep telling me I need to get more

exercise & have a regular " work " routine to get things done. And/or take

anti-depressants.

I've been experimenting the past several months

with a reasonably good diet, nutritional supplements & lots of rest letting the

smaller unnecessary chores go

to allow the body to heal itself that way. Along with lots of sleep & rest

including a long nap every afternoon.

I'm happier doing that for one thing & I feel better too because I'm no longer

pushing myself to get this or that thing done that really don't need doing

except as " busy work " . Or having sore, painful overworked muscles all the time

from all that exercise. I've got enough pain to deal with without adding

muscular pain from exercising to the mix. Besides I take far less pain pills

when I don't exercise or push myself to get a lot of physical work done.

There are lots of other things that also help the body to heal. Like meditation,

relaxation with musical or narration tapes, self-massages, long hot tub soaks,

listening to or playing music, watching romance movies to heal the heart or

comedies to get a good healthy belly laugh & " feel-good " feeling. Or playing

computer games just for fun & to rest the mind, reading books or looking at

pretty pictures in magazines or just talking to a good friend on the phone for

an hour or so. All of which I'm spending more time doing nowdays.

I do plan to start walking outside for 15 minutes or a l/2 hour or so but not

any fast aerobic type of walking. Just meandering to enjoy the flowers, trees &

plants mostly & smell the fresh air. But I'm not even up to doing that right now

either. I'll wait & see how this Armour I'm now on makes me feel before I push

myself to do anything more.

Caroline

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> I used to exercise up to 2 hours each day in my home plus walking,

hatha yoga in a class & thrice weekly water aerobics classes....<<<<<<

You're smart. A doctor once told me, that most people can heal themselves 90

percent of the time of anything with good nutrition and rest. He told me that

doctors just give a lot of drugs because it gives them something to do , but the

truth be known, the body heals itself.

So, stick to your guns and to hell with everyone. After all, it's your body

and you know how you feel better than anyone else. Sim

[Guest guest]

Exercise wasn't making me feel wonderful at all this past year. It just kept

hurting me more & more. The muscles never stopped aching from the acid in them

on top of the awful aches/pains I already had.

I've felt way better not exercising at all the past few months. But since I've

been an exercise/sports addict all my life, I do miss just doing it.

I'll likely go back to walking a bit, tho more leisurely instead of power walks,

after the Armour starts working for me.

Caroline

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Oh, absolutely. Regular exercise makes you feel wonderful. Not just

while you're doing it, but all the time. It's a real loss to give that

up while you're healing.

You may not have to completely give up exercise, though. Some people can

exercise lightly (a 20-minute walk instead of an hour and a half hike)

without feeling awful the next day or two, so they keep getting some of

those benefits even while recovering.

[Guest guest]

Sim,

I'm so sorry to hear of your miscarriages. No wonder you are depressed! I've

read from Dr.

Lee that low progesterone can cause miscarriages and in Dr. Jefferies'

book, " Safe

Uses of Cortisol " , cortisol has been found to prevent miscarriages and lead

to the birth of

Normal babies. Maybe this will give you something to explore.

in Va.

Hi ;

You can add depression to my list. I just went upstairs for a

good cry ( " why won't this doctor help me?? " ).

Well, it really started in earnest w/ three consecutive

miscarriages, being ping ponged by every ob/gyn I've ever seen to an

endo only to be told I was normal. During the last miscarriage a

lump was discovered, an FNA proved inconclusive/suspicious, so I had

it removed. My tsh went (from when it was tested directly after

miscarrying my third child, an autopsy revealed no genetic

abnormality n my daughter) from 2.11 to 1.7 after surgery in May, to

4.25 in early october. I've been on synthroid since 10/15 of this

year

Sim

[Guest guest]

Hi ;

Thanks for the tip. However, at this point, I don't think that I

can try again. This is despite my husband and son's urging. I just

can't go thru it again. Each time was bad, but the very last time,

in January 2004, it was the worst. We were all so excited. I had no

idea that anything was wrong. We went as a whole family for the

first sonogram. We saw the baby, but immediately, I realized that

the baby wasn't moving, and I said, " how odd, Dylan, at this point,

you were moving all over the place " So, I asked the sono tech, and

so did my husband. My son was so entranced, he of course, did not

know anything was wrong. It was at that point the tech told me. She

told me against the rules because she didn't want me to have to find

out at the doctor's office. I just turned to my husband and

said, " get him (my son) out of here, quick " . And I just burst into

tears. There were three bathrooms on the way out of the office, and

I had to stop at every one to cry. I was in the hospital the very

next day, and later on found out that my daughter (it was a girl)

was perfectly genetically normal.

After going thru similar experiences three times, I just can't

even chance it again. Do you know, every holiday or birthday, or

sometimes just for no reason at all , I think of these children, how

old they would be now, etc.

A friend of mine had told me of progesterone after the third

time. My doctor didn't think that was the problem, but then again,

as we all see with the thyroid, doctors are sometimes the last to

know what's going on.

Sim

> Sim,

>

> I'm so sorry to hear of your miscarriages. No wonder you are

depressed! I've

> read from Dr.

>

> Lee that low progesterone can cause miscarriages and in Dr.

Jefferies'

> book, " Safe

>

> Uses of Cortisol " , cortisol has been found to prevent miscarriages

and lead

> to the birth of

>

> Normal babies. Maybe this will give you something to explore.

>

>

>

> in Va.

>

>

> Hi ;

>

> You can add depression to my list. I just went upstairs for a

> good cry ( " why won't this doctor help me?? " ).

>

> Well, it really started in earnest w/ three consecutive

> miscarriages, being ping ponged by every ob/gyn I've ever seen to

an

> endo only to be told I was normal. During the last miscarriage a

> lump was discovered, an FNA proved inconclusive/suspicious, so I

had

> it removed. My tsh went (from when it was tested directly after

> miscarrying my third child, an autopsy revealed no genetic

> abnormality n my daughter) from 2.11 to 1.7 after surgery in May,

to

> 4.25 in early october. I've been on synthroid since 10/15 of this

> year

>

> Sim

>

>

>

>

>