Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 In a few short words: your dr is basing your normal on the TSH being in the 'normal' range that the labs are set, and the FT4. If you are complaining about symptoms and the dr is ignoring you, then you need to take matters into your own hands, or get a better dr. If you're not on enuff meds, you will still have symptoms. If you're not converting T4 into T3, that can also explain why you still have symptoms. That would show up when the FT3 is tested. SandyE~Houston On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:59:15 -0000 " camping_bees " wrote: > > My doctor's office called today to tell me that my thyroid panel > results were " normal " . I pushed to know the numbers and this is what > she gave me. > > TSH 1.105 (had been 8.5 4 weeks before) > T3 uptake 29 > t4 free 1.33 > > I had specifically asked for free t3 and antibodies to be checked, > but as she gave no results for those, I don't believe they were. I > did call back, but had to leave a message. I asked that copy of labs > be faxed to me. Let's see if that happens. > > She said that I am doing so much better and just need to stay on my > 75 synthroid. However, as I told her last week, I do have some > improvement but am still tired, low energy, achey joints especially > in the mornings, etc. > > So what do you all think? I forgot the recommended ranges for T4 and > 3. What would you do if you were me? I am strongly considering > ordering the armour tonight. Thanks! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 In a message dated 11/2/2004 9:42:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, krisalba@... writes: > > > So, after reading and thinking it over it over, I ordered the Armour > tonight. I am a little concerned (having never seen or taken it > before) how do I know that I actually get the right drug? > we've got all that checked out already...it's straight from the mfg., forest pharmaceuticals...it will come in their bottle. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 In a message dated 11/2/2004 9:42:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, krisalba@... writes: > > Also, do you need to take it on an empty stomach as you do synthroid? yes. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 In a message dated 11/2/2004 9:42:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, krisalba@... writes: > !! and I > want off this Prozac that doc has me on too. > how much are you on now? don't cut by 50% in tapering..that's too much...cut by 25% initially. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Sounds like my doctors, even the new one I saw a little over a week ago. You tell them what you want for blood tests or panels & then they still don't order it. Later when asked why not, they say it's not needed & then change the subject or dismiss it ( & you) altogether. Then they say we're " normal " so no adjustments needed & no further tests needed either yet you still have symptoms they continue to ignore or classify as psychiatric, laziness, overeating, " natural " pain of general aging. But at least my new doctor honored my request to switch from Synthroid to Armour. Though I don't know yet if the dosage she ordered will be enough. If I tell my doctors about my symptoms persisting after they've said my thyroid tests are " normal " & my dosage is doing its job or is satisfactory, and I still complain of symptoms, then they advise or offer: 1) anti-depressants; 2) More or different pain/anti-inflammatory Rx; 3) Counseling referrals; 4) more exercise; 5) a colonoscopy & /or feces samples, or bone density tests or x-rays. But nothing else after those done or they see & read the results of all the degenerative damage as reported by the testing technicians or can be clearly seen in the x-rays. Nothing more related to the thyroid or endocrine system or hormones needed at all, according to them. That's been true of the last five doctors I've seen since I was first dxd for low thyroid several years ago. I wasn't even properly tested for it before that when I obviously had all the symptoms years before. I mean it gets really disgusting after a while. I've already ordered & received the natural thyroid from myrxforless but won't take it until I first try the Armour Rx my new doctor ordered that I haven't got yet. I'm about ready to find another thyroid-aware doctor on one of the lists linked here. They're further to drive to but if the Armour makes me feel any better at all, that'll help to get me there. My Test Results from doc My doctor's office called today to tell me that my thyroid panel results were " normal " . I pushed to know the numbers and this is what she gave me. TSH 1.105 (had been 8.5 4 weeks before) T3 uptake 29 t4 free 1.33 I had specifically asked for free t3 and antibodies to be checked, but as she gave no results for those, I don't believe they were. I did call back, but had to leave a message. I asked that copy of labs be faxed to me. Let's see if that happens. She said that I am doing so much better and just need to stay on my 75 synthroid. However, as I told her last week, I do have some improvement but am still tired, low energy, achey joints especially in the mornings, etc. So what do you all think? I forgot the recommended ranges for T4 and 3. What would you do if you were me? I am strongly considering ordering the armour tonight. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Well my FT3 was tested & the doctor said it was still " normal " as were the TSH & FT4 yet my symptoms are worsening anyway. Well I'll see if the Armour this new dr. prescribed will help. Re: My Test Results from doc In a few short words: your dr is basing your normal on the TSH being in the 'normal' range that the labs are set, and the FT4. If you are complaining about symptoms and the dr is ignoring you, then you need to take matters into your own hands, or get a better dr. If you're not on enuff meds, you will still have symptoms. If you're not converting T4 into T3, that can also explain why you still have symptoms. That would show up when the FT3 is tested. SandyE~Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 So, after reading and thinking it over it over, I ordered the Armour tonight. I am a little concerned (having never seen or taken it before) how do I know that I actually get the right drug? Also, do you need to take it on an empty stomach as you do synthroid? I've seeen the recommendation to split the dosage. Thanks for all your help. I am taking the plunge!! I have to feel better!! and I want off this Prozac that doc has me on too. > > My doctor's office called today to tell me that my thyroid panel > results were " normal " . I pushed to know the numbers and this is what > she gave me. > > TSH 1.105 (had been 8.5 4 weeks before) > T3 uptake 29 > t4 free 1.33 > > I had specifically asked for free t3 and antibodies to be checked, > but as she gave no results for those, I don't believe they were. I > did call back, but had to leave a message. I asked that copy of labs > be faxed to me. Let's see if that happens. > > She said that I am doing so much better and just need to stay on my > 75 synthroid. However, as I told her last week, I do have some > improvement but am still tired, low energy, achey joints especially > in the mornings, etc. > > So what do you all think? I forgot the recommended ranges for T4 and > 3. What would you do if you were me? I am strongly considering > ordering the armour tonight. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Caroline, why haven't you tried the generic Armour that you ordered? SandyE~Houston My Test Results from doc My doctor's office called today to tell me that my thyroid panel results were " normal " . I pushed to know the numbers and this is what she gave me. TSH 1.105 (had been 8.5 4 weeks before) T3 uptake 29 t4 free 1.33 I had specifically asked for free t3 and antibodies to be checked, but as she gave no results for those, I don't believe they were. I did call back, but had to leave a message. I asked that copy of labs be faxed to me. Let's see if that happens. She said that I am doing so much better and just need to stay on my 75 synthroid. However, as I told her last week, I do have some improvement but am still tired, low energy, achey joints especially in the mornings, etc. So what do you all think? I forgot the recommended ranges for T4 and 3. What would you do if you were me? I am strongly considering ordering the armour tonight. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 What the heck is ferretin? Sorry to sound so dumb, but I have been concentrating on my mercury posioning, and have not dealt much with learning about thyroid issues other than taking the supplemental thyroid. ~inga ___________ on 11/2/04 11:49 PM, sandy at starz@... wrote: you won't regret trying the armour. I don't seem to have a problem until I get a dr involved since I started it. It is best to take it on an empty stomach. The worst thing that will happen with trying armour is that you'll have a life back that you thought was gone forever. :-) Anything else we run into like adrenals or low ferritin are not that complicated to tackle, then the armour can do it's job. Not everybody needs adrenals or ferritin raised, but....it does happen to some. Congrats on the decision to try it! SandyE~Houston Re: My Test Results from doc So, after reading and thinking it over it over, I ordered the Armour tonight. I am a little concerned (having never seen or taken it before) how do I know that I actually get the right drug? Also, do you need to take it on an empty stomach as you do synthroid? I've seeen the recommendation to split the dosage. Thanks for all your help. I am taking the plunge!! I have to feel better!! and I want off this Prozac that doc has me on too. > > My doctor's office called today to tell me that my thyroid panel > results were " normal " . I pushed to know the numbers and this is what > she gave me. > > TSH 1.105 (had been 8.5 4 weeks before) > T3 uptake 29 > t4 free 1.33 > > I had specifically asked for free t3 and antibodies to be checked, > but as she gave no results for those, I don't believe they were. I > did call back, but had to leave a message. I asked that copy of labs > be faxed to me. Let's see if that happens. > > She said that I am doing so much better and just need to stay on my > 75 synthroid. However, as I told her last week, I do have some > improvement but am still tired, low energy, achey joints especially > in the mornings, etc. > > So what do you all think? I forgot the recommended ranges for T4 and > 3. What would you do if you were me? I am strongly considering > ordering the armour tonight. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 ferritin is the storage iron in your blood. it's not uncommon for hypothyroids, especially long-term cases of untreated hypothyroidism, to have low ferritin levels. baron > > What the heck is ferretin? > Sorry to sound so dumb, but I have been concentrating on my mercury > posioning, and have not dealt much with learning about thyroid issues > other > than taking the supplemental thyroid. > ~inga > > > ___________ > > on 11/2/04 11:49 PM, sandy at starz@... wrote: > > you won't regret trying the armour. I don't seem to have a problem > until I > get a dr involved since I started it. It is best to take it on an > empty > stomach. The worst thing that will happen with trying armour is that > you'll > have a life back that you thought was gone forever. :-) > > Anything else we run into like adrenals or low ferritin are not that > complicated to tackle, then the armour can do it's job. Not everybody > needs > adrenals or ferritin raised, but....it does happen to some. Congrats > on the > decision to try it! > > SandyE~Houston > > > Re: My Test Results from doc > > > > So, after reading and thinking it over it over, I ordered the Armour > tonight. I am a little concerned (having never seen or taken it > before) how do I know that I actually get the right drug? > > Also, do you need to take it on an empty stomach as you do synthroid? > I've seeen the recommendation to split the dosage. Thanks for all > your help. I am taking the plunge!! I have to feel better!! and I > want off this Prozac that doc has me on too. > > > >> >> My doctor's office called today to tell me that my thyroid panel >> results were " normal " . I pushed to know the numbers and this is > what >> she gave me. >> >> TSH 1.105 (had been 8.5 4 weeks before) >> T3 uptake 29 >> t4 free 1.33 >> >> I had specifically asked for free t3 and antibodies to be checked, >> but as she gave no results for those, I don't believe they were. I >> did call back, but had to leave a message. I asked that copy of > labs >> be faxed to me. Let's see if that happens. >> >> She said that I am doing so much better and just need to stay on > my >> 75 synthroid. However, as I told her last week, I do have some >> improvement but am still tired, low energy, achey joints especially >> in the mornings, etc. >> >> So what do you all think? I forgot the recommended ranges for T4 > and >> 3. What would you do if you were me? I am strongly considering >> ordering the armour tonight. Thanks! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 I don't recall reading to take it on an empty stomach. Synthroid I mean. But then I've been doing that anyway every morning about l/2 to an hour before I eat anything. But I've been taking it at the same time along with Darvocet, Estradiol, Hi-EnerG & either Tramadol, Motrin or Alleve. Not taking the Estradiol, Motrin or Alleve anymore tho. So I guess that's been messing up the fx of the Synthroid even? Guess I'll have to take the Armour by itself or with just the Zinc & Selenium then? This taking stuff on an empty stomach is very bothersome & a royal nuisance factor tho. On Mondays I have to take Fosamax (bone rebuilding) with a glass of water & nothing else for an hour & only after I'm out of bed & can't go back to bed or lie down until after I've eaten an hour later. Then an hour after I take that, I'll have to take the Arnour with zinc & selenium. Than an hour later I have to take an amino acid formula needed on an empty stomach too. So that's three hours with no food yet & keeping track of the time. Then there's all the other pills, liquids, powders or capsulized vitamin-mineral-protein/herbal formulas I have to take WITH food. Then back again an hour later to the Armour/zinc/ selenium & no food again for another hour when I again have to take the amino acids. And on & on it goes over & over again until bedtime when I have to take my liquid calcium/magnesium/vitamin D/phosphorous formula on an empty stomach an hour after I've taken the amino acid formula on an empty stomach, an hour after I've drank my Sleepytime tea with valerian capsules & Melatonin. I have to start that 3 hours before I can even think of going to bed for the night. And that's all an hour AFTER dinner. If I have to also take the Armour/zinc/selenium several times a days as well & the other stuff several times a day with an hour in between each one, what a royal pain in the butt that will be. This is bad enough as it is. Am I supposed to live my life watching the clock & carrying pills around with me to be sure to take them at the proper time an hour apart with or without out for the rest of my life? Do I need to go out & buy a wristwatch with an alarm on it? When do I have time to relax & concentrate on anything else without this pill-taking interruption for a few hours, if that, pray tell? Never I guess, right? This is " living " ?????? this is called " having a life " ????? Re: Re: My Test Results from doc In a message dated 11/2/2004 9:42:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, krisalba@... writes:> > Also, do you need to take it on an empty stomach as you do synthroid?>>> yes. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Because I don't know the proper amount to take for one thing. I don't know the conversion from Synthroid 125mcg to the 1 grain natural thyroid I received. How much should I take? I've asked here on this group but nobody answered me yet. They just said to take as much as the Armour the dr. prescribed. But I don't know what that was either because I haven't got that Armour Rx yet. That's why. I was supposed to be getting the Armour the dr. prescribed for me to replace the Synthroid based on her conversion of that on Monday...yesterday. So I was going to start taking the Armour yesterday after it was delivered here to me. But that never happened because the aide who went to the drug store to pick it up for me yesterday wasn't allowed to do it. They wanted me there in person to sign for it & pay for it & I haven't got a car yet so couldn't get there. So I still don't have the dr. prescribed Armour either therefore can't take it. That was only yesterday. That's why. So what amount of the Time-Cap Labs natriual thyroid should I be taking to compare with 125mcg Synthroid? I still don't know that. If somebody will tell me, then I'll start taking it. Thanx, caroline Re: My Test Results from doc Caroline, why haven't you tried the generic Armour that you ordered? SandyE~Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 >>What the heck is ferretin?<< Ferritin is your iron storage in your body. many of us hypo folks seem to have problems with this type of anemia. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/31/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 >>Because I don't know the proper amount to take for one thing. I don't know the conversion from Synthroid 125mcg to the 1 grain natural thyroid I received<< I would not worry about the conversion! You were not on a correct amount of thyroid med anyway, and with the additional T3 in the Time Caps Lab pills, it will affect you very differently anyway. I would start at 1/2 tab AM & PM and raise that after about 2 weeks to double. You do not want to stay on that low dose for long but a couple weeks to get your body used to the T3 in it.As for taking it on an empty stomach, that is recommended but not essential! Main thing to avoid taking with it is anything with calcium as that blocks the absorption of it. There may be other things to not take it with, but I can;t think of them right now (brain dead.. didn;t sleep well last night). *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/31/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Well if I start taking the Time-Caps thyroid that I already have here at l/2 tab 2x/day then double it in two weeks. I could do that, yes. But then I've still got the Armour the dr. prescribed coming next week when I get my car to go get it. So I don't know the dosage on that yet that I'll be taking next week. Then what? Take both the Armour & still take the Time-Caps & keep raising that too? I mean mightened it be too much to take both? I'm thinking I should maybe wait until I get the Armour next week or this Saturday from the drug store & then take that for 2 weeks at that dosage & see how I feel. Then if it's not enough or not doing anything I might want to start adding the Time-Caps at l/2 tab/2x/day after that. What would you do? Take both at the same time or one or the another, then both later if necessary? Caroline Re: My Test Results from doc >>Because I don't know the proper amount to take for one thing. I don't know the conversion from Synthroid 125mcg to the 1 grain natural thyroid I received<< I would not worry about the conversion! You were not on a correct amount of thyroid med anyway, and with the additional T3 in the Time Caps Lab pills, it will affect you very differently anyway. I would start at 1/2 tab AM & PM and raise that after about 2 weeks to double. You do not want to stay on that low dose for long but a couple weeks to get your body used to the T3 in it.As for taking it on an empty stomach, that is recommended but not essential! Main thing to avoid taking with it is anything with calcium as that blocks the absorption of it. There may be other things to not take it with, but I can;t think of them right now (brain dead.. didn;t sleep well last night). *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Caroline they are interchangeable, if you start taking half a tab twice a day now and when you get the armour script it says to take more than that you can increase the dose. Take one or the other but not both Lynda Re: My Test Results from doc Well if I start taking the Time-Caps thyroid that I already have here at l/2 tab 2x/day then double it in two weeks. I could do that, yes. But then I've still got the Armour the dr. prescribed coming next week when I get my car to go get it. So I don't know the dosage on that yet that I'll be taking next week. Then what? Take both the Armour & still take the Time-Caps & keep raising that too? I mean mightened it be too much to take both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Caroline, Wait??? You are making this too complicated. If you look in the files section under Switching Synthroid to Armour- you have conversion charts. The second one says... <<1 grain (60 mg) of Armour equals approximately 74 mcg of T4 (Synthroid)>> If you're taking 125 mcg of Synthroid... you should take 1 1/2 grains (90 mg) of Armour. Perhaps do 1 grain in AM -about an hour AFTER you eat breakfast then put it under your tongue or up in the gum to be absorbed directly without having another pill go through your digestive track. Then take the other 1/2 grain in the afternoons. If you're not comfortable starting out on 1 1/2, start with 1 grain (1/2 in morning/1/2 in afternoon) then if you're doing well with no side effects... go up to 1 1/2 grains in 4-5 days. When you get your prescription, take either this or that. Save the other so you can up your meds as needed. Of all the talk we do here of having doctors that won't prescribe or won't adjust to what we need, you're backing up waiting on your doctor and his prescription.... especially when Armour is sitting in your hand! Of all the meds and supplements your are taking, this is the one that should start to balance your system so hopefully you won't need the other ones. By all means, get started on it!!! Don't hesitate. Worrying about the conversion and waiting is not helping you. And be thankful you have it. I ordered my Armour the day before you did and I still don't have it and am anxiously waiting for it. I ordered 3 bottles so it may have been trapped in customs. Don't know. Don't delay... start your healing with Armour (or Time-Caps- they are the same thing!!) Waiting makes no sense. Warmly, S. >>> I'm thinking I should maybe wait until I get the Armour next week or this Saturday from the drug store & then take that for 2 weeks at that dosage & see how I feel. <<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Yes I could do that too. But would l/2 a pill be enough to start with? I'll call the pharmacy tomorrow & ask what the dosage amount is that the dr. prescribed for me. TY, C Re: My Test Results from doc Caroline they are interchangeable, if you start taking half a tab twice a day now and when you get the armour script it says to take more than that you can increase the dose. Take one or the other but not both Lynda ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Caroline, Tomorrow??? Why tomorrow? Why not today? Why do you NEED to know when we have the answer for you? I know you're on a lot of meds, but whether you get started today on 1/4 grain, 1/2 grain, or whole grain- I don't think will matter. The more important thing is that you get started. It doesn't make sense to delay. S. > Yes I could do that too. But would l/2 a pill be enough to start with? I'll call the pharmacy tomorrow & ask what the dosage amount is that the dr. prescribed for me. > TY, > C > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 The key is to be consistent. I take mine after I eat. Either way is fine. Just do it all the time. Louise > In a message dated 11/2/2004 9:42:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > krisalba@e... writes: > > > > > Also, do you need to take it on an empty stomach as you do synthroid? > > yes. > cindi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Time Caps and Armour should be equivalent in their dosing (or very close.) I would start the Time Caps and get off the $inthroid. Than when you get the Armour just take that and store the Time Caps. I agree with starting with 1 grain. Louise > Well if I start taking the Time-Caps thyroid that I already have here at l/2 tab 2x/day then double it in two weeks. I could do that, yes. But then I've still got the Armour the dr. prescribed coming next week when I get my car to go get it. So I don't know the dosage on that yet that I'll be taking next week. Then what? Take both the Armour & still take the Time-Caps & keep raising that too? I mean mightened it be too much to take both? > > I'm thinking I should maybe wait until I get the Armour next week or this Saturday from the drug store & then take that for 2 weeks at that dosage & see how I feel. Then if it's not enough or not doing anything I might want to start adding the Time-Caps at l/2 tab/2x/day after that. What would you do? Take both at the same time or one or the another, then both later if necessary? > Caroline > Re: My Test Results from doc > > > >>Because I don't know the proper amount to take for one thing. I don't know > the conversion from Synthroid 125mcg to the 1 grain natural thyroid I > received<< > > I would not worry about the conversion! You were not on a correct amount of > thyroid med anyway, and with the additional T3 in the Time Caps Lab pills, > it will affect you very differently anyway. I would start at 1/2 tab AM & PM > and raise that after about 2 weeks to double. You do not want to stay on > that low dose for long but a couple weeks to get your body used to the T3 in > it.As for taking it on an empty stomach, that is recommended but not > essential! Main thing to avoid taking with it is anything with calcium as > that blocks the absorption of it. There may be other things to not take it > with, but I can;t think of them right now (brain dead.. didn;t sleep well > last night). > *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Hi Caroline, Just thought I'd mention that estrogen (estradiol) will stop bone loss, but only progesterone will build new bone. Many doctors give estrogen (and lots of it) to menopausal women, but ignore progesterone, leading to hormone imbalance. I mention this because if you get those two hormones in their proper balance, then you may not need the Fosamax. Caroline Pollak wrote: > This taking stuff on an empty stomach is very bothersome & a royal > nuisance factor tho. On Mondays I have to take Fosamax (bone > rebuilding) with a glass of water & nothing else for an hour & only > after I'm out of bed & can't go back to bed or lie down until after > I've eaten an hour later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 As I explained to Sandy in another email a bit ago, the doctor prescribed 15 mg of Armour per day. I don't have that prescription yet. So this morning I started myself on the Time-Caps thyroid at l/4 grain per day which is nearly equivalent to 15 mg of Armour. I bought the 1 grain dose. I didn't take the Synthroid today at all. But am going by what my dr. prescribed for now. I'll raise it later if the 15mg of Armour she prescribed isn't enough. Then I'll add the Time-Caps proportionately myself. How does that sound? Is it a good plan do you think? Caroline Re: My Test Results from doc Time Caps and Armour should be equivalent in their dosing (or very close.) I would start the Time Caps and get off the $inthroid. Than when you get the Armour just take that and store the Time Caps. I agree with starting with 1 grain. Louise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 I've already said in two other emails to this group today that I DID start taking the Time-Caps thyroid this morning & stopped taking the Synthroid. Because I still don't have the Armour the new dr. prescribed & won't have it until Saturday or next Monday & I don't want to wait that long. But I called the dr's office & asked what the dosage of Armour was that she prescribed. It was 15 mg Armour. I thought that was her conversion equivalent of 125 mcg Synthroid I've been taking. So I decided to take 1/4 grain (prox. 15 mg) time-Caps thyroid this morning BEFORE breakfast on an empty stomach. I left it at that for the day since it's impossible to cut up the pills to take l/8 grain twice a day. So are you now saying that the 15 mg of Armour she prescribed isn't enough to equate to 125 mcg Synthroid? That she should have prescribed 90 mg Armour & not only 15 mg? And that I should be taking MORE of the Time-Caps thyroid or even more of the Armour after I get that prescription? Okay then, to get me onto the right track here, since I took l/4 grain Time-Caps thyroid this morning, should I take l l/4 grain later this evening or afternoon? If I did that I'd be taking the 90 mg you're suggesting I need for equating that to the 125 mcg Synthroid, wouldn't I? Then tomorrow morning AFTER breakfast I could take the l l/4 grain & later take the l/2 grain in the afternoon. Have I got that right now? Caroline Re: My Test Results from doc Caroline, Wait? ou are making this too complicated. If you look in the files section under Switching Synthroid to Armour- you have conversion charts. The second one says... <<1 grain (60 mg) of Armour equals approximately 74 mcg of T4 (Synthroid)>> If you're taking 125 mcg of Synthroid... you should take 1 1/2 grains (90 mg) of Armour. Perhaps do 1 grain in AM -about an hour AFTER you eat breakfast then put it under your tongue or up in the gum to be absorbed directly without having another pill go through your digestive track. Then take the other 1/2 grain in the afternoons. If you're not comfortable starting out on 1 1/2, start with 1 grain (1/2 in morning/1/2 in afternoon) then if you're doing well with no side effects... go up to 1 1/2 grains in 4-5 days. When you get your prescription, take either this or that. Save the other so you can up your meds as needed. Of all the talk we do here of having doctors that won't prescribe or won't adjust to what we need, you're backing up waiting on your doctor and his prescription.... especially when Armour is sitting in your hand! Of all the meds and supplements your are taking, this is the one that should start to balance your system so hopefully you won't need the other ones. By all means, get started on it!!! Don't hesitate. Worrying about the conversion and waiting is not helping you. And be thankful you have it. I ordered my Armour the day before you did and I still don't have it and am anxiously waiting for it. I ordered 3 bottles so it may have been trapped in customs. Don't know. Don't delay... start your healing with Armour (or Time-Caps- they are the same thing!!) Waiting makes no sense.Warmly, Cndy S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 You're right, it makes no sense to delay. I already started on l/4 grain Time-Caps this morning. That's equivalent to the 15 mg Armour my dr prescribed that I haven't got yet. Will up the dosage as you've all suggested tho as necessary. I'll take another l l/2 grains later this afternoon after lunch maybe. Sound right? Actually tho, I felt so good this morning (a lot less pain & fatigue) that I didn't even take any pain pills as I usually do first thing. I didn't take the Synthroid either. I'm still doing okay & it's 1:00 PM now here. Tho I didn't start the l/4 grain natural thyroid until this morning. Couldn't be working that fast, could it? TY< Caroline Re: My Test Results from doc Caroline, Tomorrow??? Why tomorrow? Why not today? Why do you NEED to know when we have the answer for you? I know you're on a lot of meds, but whether you get started today on 1/4 grain, 1/2 grain, or whole grain- I don't think will matter. The more important thing is that you get started. It doesn't make sense to delay. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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