Re: My Test Results from doc

November 2, 2004

In a few short words: your dr is basing your normal on the TSH being

in the 'normal' range that the labs are set, and the FT4. If you are

complaining about symptoms and the dr is ignoring you, then you need

to take matters into your own hands, or get a better dr.

If you're not on enuff meds, you will still have symptoms. If you're

not converting T4 into T3, that can also explain why you still have

symptoms. That would show up when the FT3 is tested.

SandyE~Houston

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:59:15 -0000

" camping_bees " wrote:

>

> My doctor's office called today to tell me that my thyroid panel

> results were " normal " . I pushed to know the numbers and this is what

> she gave me.

>

> TSH 1.105 (had been 8.5 4 weeks before)

> T3 uptake 29

> t4 free 1.33

>

> I had specifically asked for free t3 and antibodies to be checked,

> but as she gave no results for those, I don't believe they were. I

> did call back, but had to leave a message. I asked that copy of labs

> be faxed to me. Let's see if that happens.

>

> She said that I am doing so much better and just need to stay on my

> 75 synthroid. However, as I told her last week, I do have some

> improvement but am still tired, low energy, achey joints especially

> in the mornings, etc.

>

> So what do you all think? I forgot the recommended ranges for T4 and

> 3. What would you do if you were me? I am strongly considering

> ordering the armour tonight. Thanks!

>

November 2, 2004

In a message dated 11/2/2004 9:42:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

krisalba@... writes:

>

> So, after reading and thinking it over it over, I ordered the Armour

> tonight. I am a little concerned (having never seen or taken it

> before) how do I know that I actually get the right drug?

>

we've got all that checked out already...it's straight from the mfg., forest

pharmaceuticals...it will come in their bottle.

cindi

November 2, 2004

In a message dated 11/2/2004 9:42:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

krisalba@... writes:

>

> Also, do you need to take it on an empty stomach as you do synthroid?

yes.

cindi

November 2, 2004

In a message dated 11/2/2004 9:42:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

krisalba@... writes:

> !! and I

> want off this Prozac that doc has me on too.

>

how much are you on now? don't cut by 50% in tapering..that's too much...cut

by 25% initially.

cindi

November 2, 2004

Sounds like my doctors, even the new one I saw a little over a week ago. You

tell them what you want for blood tests or panels & then they still don't order

it. Later when asked why not, they say it's not needed & then change the subject

or dismiss it ( & you) altogether. Then they say we're " normal " so no adjustments

needed & no further tests needed either yet you still have symptoms they

continue to ignore or classify as psychiatric, laziness, overeating, " natural "

pain of general aging.

But at least my new doctor honored my request to switch from Synthroid to

Armour. Though I don't know yet if the dosage she ordered will be enough. If I

tell my doctors about my symptoms persisting after they've said my thyroid tests

are " normal " & my dosage is doing its job or is satisfactory, and I still

complain of symptoms, then they advise or offer: 1) anti-depressants; 2) More or

different pain/anti-inflammatory Rx; 3) Counseling referrals; 4) more exercise;

5) a colonoscopy & /or feces samples, or bone density tests or x-rays. But

nothing else after those done or they see & read the results of all the

degenerative damage as reported by the testing technicians or can be clearly

seen in the x-rays. Nothing more related to the thyroid or endocrine system or

hormones needed at all, according to them.

That's been true of the last five doctors I've seen since I was first dxd for

low thyroid several years ago. I wasn't even properly tested for it before that

when I obviously had all the symptoms years before. I mean it gets really

disgusting after a while.

I've already ordered & received the natural thyroid from myrxforless but won't

take it until I first try the Armour Rx my new doctor ordered that I haven't got

yet. I'm about ready to find another thyroid-aware doctor on one of the lists

linked here. They're further to drive to but if the Armour makes me feel any

better at all, that'll help to get me there.

My Test Results from doc

My doctor's office called today to tell me that my thyroid panel

results were " normal " . I pushed to know the numbers and this is what

she gave me.

TSH 1.105 (had been 8.5 4 weeks before)

T3 uptake 29

t4 free 1.33

I had specifically asked for free t3 and antibodies to be checked,

but as she gave no results for those, I don't believe they were. I

did call back, but had to leave a message. I asked that copy of labs

be faxed to me. Let's see if that happens.

She said that I am doing so much better and just need to stay on my

75 synthroid. However, as I told her last week, I do have some

improvement but am still tired, low energy, achey joints especially

in the mornings, etc.

So what do you all think? I forgot the recommended ranges for T4 and

3. What would you do if you were me? I am strongly considering

ordering the armour tonight. Thanks!

November 2, 2004

Well my FT3 was tested & the doctor said it was still " normal " as were the TSH &

FT4 yet my symptoms are worsening anyway. Well I'll see if the Armour this new

dr. prescribed will help.

Re: My Test Results from doc

In a few short words: your dr is basing your normal on the TSH being

in the 'normal' range that the labs are set, and the FT4. If you are

complaining about symptoms and the dr is ignoring you, then you need

to take matters into your own hands, or get a better dr.

If you're not on enuff meds, you will still have symptoms. If you're

not converting T4 into T3, that can also explain why you still have

symptoms. That would show up when the FT3 is tested.

SandyE~Houston

November 2, 2004

So, after reading and thinking it over it over, I ordered the Armour

tonight. I am a little concerned (having never seen or taken it

before) how do I know that I actually get the right drug?

Also, do you need to take it on an empty stomach as you do synthroid?

I've seeen the recommendation to split the dosage. Thanks for all

your help. I am taking the plunge!! I have to feel better!! and I

want off this Prozac that doc has me on too.

>

> My doctor's office called today to tell me that my thyroid panel

> results were " normal " . I pushed to know the numbers and this is

what

> she gave me.

>

> TSH 1.105 (had been 8.5 4 weeks before)

> T3 uptake 29

> t4 free 1.33

>

> I had specifically asked for free t3 and antibodies to be checked,

> but as she gave no results for those, I don't believe they were. I

> did call back, but had to leave a message. I asked that copy of

labs

> be faxed to me. Let's see if that happens.

>

> She said that I am doing so much better and just need to stay on

my

> 75 synthroid. However, as I told her last week, I do have some

> improvement but am still tired, low energy, achey joints especially

> in the mornings, etc.

>

> So what do you all think? I forgot the recommended ranges for T4

and

> 3. What would you do if you were me? I am strongly considering

> ordering the armour tonight. Thanks!

November 2, 2004

Caroline, why haven't you tried the generic Armour that you ordered?

SandyE~Houston

My Test Results from doc

My doctor's office called today to tell me that my thyroid panel

results were " normal " . I pushed to know the numbers and this is what

she gave me.

TSH 1.105 (had been 8.5 4 weeks before)

T3 uptake 29

t4 free 1.33

I had specifically asked for free t3 and antibodies to be checked,

but as she gave no results for those, I don't believe they were. I

did call back, but had to leave a message. I asked that copy of labs

be faxed to me. Let's see if that happens.

She said that I am doing so much better and just need to stay on my

75 synthroid. However, as I told her last week, I do have some

improvement but am still tired, low energy, achey joints especially

in the mornings, etc.

So what do you all think? I forgot the recommended ranges for T4 and

3. What would you do if you were me? I am strongly considering

ordering the armour tonight. Thanks!

November 2, 2004

What the heck is ferretin?

Sorry to sound so dumb, but I have been concentrating on my mercury

posioning, and have not dealt much with learning about thyroid issues other

than taking the supplemental thyroid.

~inga

___________

on 11/2/04 11:49 PM, sandy at starz@... wrote:

you won't regret trying the armour. I don't seem to have a problem until I

get a dr involved since I started it. It is best to take it on an empty

stomach. The worst thing that will happen with trying armour is that you'll

have a life back that you thought was gone forever. :-)

Anything else we run into like adrenals or low ferritin are not that

complicated to tackle, then the armour can do it's job. Not everybody needs

adrenals or ferritin raised, but....it does happen to some. Congrats on the

decision to try it!

SandyE~Houston

Re: My Test Results from doc

So, after reading and thinking it over it over, I ordered the Armour

tonight. I am a little concerned (having never seen or taken it

before) how do I know that I actually get the right drug?

Also, do you need to take it on an empty stomach as you do synthroid?

I've seeen the recommendation to split the dosage. Thanks for all

your help. I am taking the plunge!! I have to feel better!! and I

want off this Prozac that doc has me on too.

>

> My doctor's office called today to tell me that my thyroid panel

> results were " normal " . I pushed to know the numbers and this is

what

> she gave me.

>

> TSH 1.105 (had been 8.5 4 weeks before)

> T3 uptake 29

> t4 free 1.33

>

> I had specifically asked for free t3 and antibodies to be checked,

> but as she gave no results for those, I don't believe they were. I

> did call back, but had to leave a message. I asked that copy of

labs

> be faxed to me. Let's see if that happens.

>

> She said that I am doing so much better and just need to stay on

my

> 75 synthroid. However, as I told her last week, I do have some

> improvement but am still tired, low energy, achey joints especially

> in the mornings, etc.

>

> So what do you all think? I forgot the recommended ranges for T4

and

> 3. What would you do if you were me? I am strongly considering

> ordering the armour tonight. Thanks!

November 2, 2004

ferritin is the storage iron in your blood. it's not uncommon for

hypothyroids, especially long-term cases of untreated hypothyroidism,

to have low ferritin levels.

baron

>

> What the heck is ferretin?

> Sorry to sound so dumb, but I have been concentrating on my mercury

> posioning, and have not dealt much with learning about thyroid issues

> other

> than taking the supplemental thyroid.

> ~inga

>

> ___________

>

> on 11/2/04 11:49 PM, sandy at starz@... wrote:

>

> you won't regret trying the armour. I don't seem to have a problem

> until I

> get a dr involved since I started it. It is best to take it on an

> empty

> stomach. The worst thing that will happen with trying armour is that

> you'll

> have a life back that you thought was gone forever. :-)

>

> Anything else we run into like adrenals or low ferritin are not that

> complicated to tackle, then the armour can do it's job. Not everybody

> needs

> adrenals or ferritin raised, but....it does happen to some. Congrats

> on the

> decision to try it!

>

> SandyE~Houston

>

> Re: My Test Results from doc

>

> So, after reading and thinking it over it over, I ordered the Armour

> tonight. I am a little concerned (having never seen or taken it

> before) how do I know that I actually get the right drug?

>

> Also, do you need to take it on an empty stomach as you do synthroid?

> I've seeen the recommendation to split the dosage. Thanks for all

> your help. I am taking the plunge!! I have to feel better!! and I

> want off this Prozac that doc has me on too.

>

>>

>> My doctor's office called today to tell me that my thyroid panel

>> results were " normal " . I pushed to know the numbers and this is

> what

>> she gave me.

>>

>> TSH 1.105 (had been 8.5 4 weeks before)

>> T3 uptake 29

>> t4 free 1.33

>>

>> I had specifically asked for free t3 and antibodies to be checked,

>> but as she gave no results for those, I don't believe they were. I

>> did call back, but had to leave a message. I asked that copy of

> labs

>> be faxed to me. Let's see if that happens.

>>

>> She said that I am doing so much better and just need to stay on

> my

>> 75 synthroid. However, as I told her last week, I do have some

>> improvement but am still tired, low energy, achey joints especially

>> in the mornings, etc.

>>

>> So what do you all think? I forgot the recommended ranges for T4

> and

>> 3. What would you do if you were me? I am strongly considering

>> ordering the armour tonight. Thanks!

>

November 3, 2004

I don't recall reading to take it on an empty stomach. Synthroid I mean. But

then I've been doing that anyway every morning about l/2 to an hour before I eat

anything.

But I've been taking it at the same time along with Darvocet, Estradiol,

Hi-EnerG & either Tramadol, Motrin or Alleve. Not taking the Estradiol, Motrin

or Alleve anymore tho. So I guess that's been messing up the fx of the Synthroid

even? Guess I'll have to take the Armour by itself or with just the Zinc &

Selenium then?

This taking stuff on an empty stomach is very bothersome & a royal nuisance

factor tho. On Mondays I have to take Fosamax (bone rebuilding) with a glass of

water & nothing else for an hour & only after I'm out of bed & can't go back to

bed or lie down until after I've eaten an hour later.

Then an hour after I take that, I'll have to take the Arnour with zinc &

selenium. Than an hour later I have to take an amino acid formula needed on an

empty stomach too.

So that's three hours with no food yet & keeping track of the time. Then there's

all the other pills, liquids, powders or capsulized

vitamin-mineral-protein/herbal formulas I have to take WITH food.

Then back again an hour later to the Armour/zinc/ selenium & no food again for

another hour when I again have to take the amino acids. And on & on it goes over

& over again until bedtime when I have to take my liquid

calcium/magnesium/vitamin D/phosphorous formula on an empty stomach an hour

after I've taken the amino acid formula on an empty stomach, an hour after I've

drank my Sleepytime tea with valerian capsules & Melatonin. I have to start that

3 hours before I can even think of going to bed for the night. And that's all an

hour AFTER dinner.

If I have to also take the Armour/zinc/selenium several times a days as well &

the other stuff several times a day with an hour in between each one, what a

royal pain in the butt that will be.

This is bad enough as it is. Am I supposed to live my life watching the clock &

carrying pills around with me to be sure to take them at the proper time an hour

apart with or without out for the rest of my life? Do I need to go out & buy a

wristwatch with an alarm on it?

When do I have time to relax & concentrate on anything else without this

pill-taking interruption for a few hours, if that, pray tell? Never I guess,

right? This is " living " ?????? this is called " having a life " ?????

Re: Re: My Test Results from doc

In a message dated 11/2/2004 9:42:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

krisalba@... writes:>

> Also, do you need to take it on an empty stomach as you do synthroid?>>>

yes.

cindi

November 3, 2004

Because I don't know the proper amount to take for one thing. I don't know the

conversion from Synthroid 125mcg to the 1 grain natural thyroid I received. How

much should I take? I've asked here on this group but nobody answered me yet.

They just said to take as much as the Armour the dr. prescribed. But I don't

know what that was either because I haven't got that Armour Rx yet. That's why.

I was supposed to be getting the Armour the dr. prescribed for me to replace the

Synthroid based on her conversion of that on Monday...yesterday. So I was going

to start taking the Armour yesterday after it was delivered here to me.

But that never happened because the aide who went to the drug store to pick it

up for me yesterday wasn't allowed to do it. They wanted me there in person to

sign for it & pay for it & I haven't got a car yet so couldn't get there. So I

still don't have the dr. prescribed Armour either therefore can't take it.

That was only yesterday. That's why. So what amount of the Time-Cap Labs

natriual thyroid should I be taking to compare with 125mcg Synthroid? I still

don't know that. If somebody will tell me, then I'll start taking it.

Thanx,

caroline

Re: My Test Results from doc

Caroline, why haven't you tried the generic Armour that you ordered?

SandyE~Houston

November 3, 2004

>>What the heck is ferretin?<<

Ferritin is your iron storage in your body. many of us hypo folks seem to

have problems with this type of anemia.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

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November 3, 2004

>>Because I don't know the proper amount to take for one thing. I don't know

the conversion from Synthroid 125mcg to the 1 grain natural thyroid I

received<<

I would not worry about the conversion! You were not on a correct amount of

thyroid med anyway, and with the additional T3 in the Time Caps Lab pills,

it will affect you very differently anyway. I would start at 1/2 tab AM & PM

and raise that after about 2 weeks to double. You do not want to stay on

that low dose for long but a couple weeks to get your body used to the T3 in

it.As for taking it on an empty stomach, that is recommended but not

essential! Main thing to avoid taking with it is anything with calcium as

that blocks the absorption of it. There may be other things to not take it

with, but I can;t think of them right now (brain dead.. didn;t sleep well

last night).

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November 3, 2004

Well if I start taking the Time-Caps thyroid that I already have here at l/2 tab

2x/day then double it in two weeks. I could do that, yes. But then I've still

got the Armour the dr. prescribed coming next week when I get my car to go get

it. So I don't know the dosage on that yet that I'll be taking next week. Then

what? Take both the Armour & still take the Time-Caps & keep raising that too? I

mean mightened it be too much to take both?

I'm thinking I should maybe wait until I get the Armour next week or this

Saturday from the drug store & then take that for 2 weeks at that dosage & see

how I feel. Then if it's not enough or not doing anything I might want to start

adding the Time-Caps at l/2 tab/2x/day after that. What would you do? Take both

at the same time or one or the another, then both later if necessary?

Caroline