Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 I'm confused. SCD without enzymes is like pre-antibiotic medicine? Can you clarify what you mean by this? I thought that SCD eliminated carbs that were hard to digest so you don't need the enzymes. Then, after the gut heals and one tries to go back to a less restrictive diet, then enzymes would be a good thing since an impaired digestion is what starts the vicious cycle in the first place. Robbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 Yes, I am confused also! Please clarify this. Do we need to take enzymes while on the SCD? Such as Peptizyde or something like that? If so, why? Tina > I'm confused. SCD without enzymes is like pre-antibiotic medicine? Can you clarify what you mean by this? > > I thought that SCD eliminated carbs that were hard to digest so you don't need the enzymes. Then, after the gut heals and one tries to go back to a less restrictive diet, then enzymes would be a good thing since an impaired digestion is what starts the vicious cycle in the first place. > > Robbie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 I don't EVER recall Elaine stating enzymes were necessary on SCD. If someone has, please let me know. We've been doing SCD for a year without them and have had LOTS of healing. If you feel like your child would benefit from them or would like to give them a try, feel free, but they are not necessary on SCD. Gia Mom to Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 its unfortunate that elaine gottschall is semi retired and not able to persue this question of enzymes aggressively. to my mind it changes the face of acd, not replacing it but building on it in a way she built on doctor haas's work. the other big change is the net enbles a move fron strickt simple rules to a more flexible approach with an evaluation of trade-offs. having got an sorta on-line book on the web now and updating it daily its just blowing my mind how dated and inferior books are for presenting information, the superiority is not cost but immeadiate update and it just blows away printed media. you am not saying that you should use enzymes i am saying that if you look at that research the indications are that you should be using enzymes and right from the beginning of doing scd if the enzymes are tolerated. this matches my own experience with the www.housonni.com rice bran capsule zyme pep and no fenol scd is not as simple as eliminating complex carbs in black and white but is a removal of the majority of complex carbs so you get a bias towards an improved bacterial and yeast populations, lower total intestinal flora and also scd addresses additives etc. i do think that enzymes may enable some modification of the complex carb rule but what that is will take some time to show i think. elaines current advice on complex carbs with enzymes is that the scd should still be followed rigourously. andrew 7 mths scd > > I'm confused. SCD without enzymes is like pre-antibiotic > medicine? Can you clarify what you mean by this? > > > > I thought that SCD eliminated carbs that were hard to digest so you > don't need the enzymes. Then, after the gut heals and one tries to > go back to a less restrictive diet, then enzymes would be a good > thing since an impaired digestion is what starts the vicious cycle in > the first place. > > > > Robbie > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 Well, if the diet works, why not just do it? Enzymes are expensive and hard to administer - they have to be the right combination of enzymes for the foods that are being eaten and taken at the right time before EVERY meal and snack and in the right dosage and they are expensive. Because I know that is most likely not producing enough enzymes, thus starting the vicious cycle, I will most likely get him a decent, rounded enzyme supplement that he can take before his meals but this will be long after he is healed. Right now, I would worry every time he took a bite of an illegal food, even if he took enzymes, as to whether or not I was sabotaging his healing. And those dang enzymes are expensive, too! I truly understand their importance, but many people, especially those dealing with autism, have tried to elminate the need for diet restrictions by using enzymes with disappointing results. But, again, after healing has taken place, experimentation might be ok at that point. I know a man who healed himself of Crohn's disease with supplementation only. He still takes pancreatin enzymes with every meal because when he doesn't, he feels a decline in gut health. So, I'm not disputing the importance of them, but why mess with what works? And this diet works. Robbie Re: karens enzymes link its unfortunate that elaine gottschall is semi retired and not able to persue this question of enzymes aggressively. to my mind it changes the face of acd, not replacing it but building on it in a way she built on doctor haas's work. the other big change is the net enbles a move fron strickt simple rules to a more flexible approach with an evaluation of trade-offs. having got an sorta on-line book on the web now and updating it daily its just blowing my mind how dated and inferior books are for presenting information, the superiority is not cost but immeadiate update and it just blows away printed media. you am not saying that you should use enzymes i am saying that if you look at that research the indications are that you should be using enzymes and right from the beginning of doing scd if the enzymes are tolerated. this matches my own experience with the www.housonni.com rice bran capsule zyme pep and no fenol scd is not as simple as eliminating complex carbs in black and white but is a removal of the majority of complex carbs so you get a bias towards an improved bacterial and yeast populations, lower total intestinal flora and also scd addresses additives etc. i do think that enzymes may enable some modification of the complex carb rule but what that is will take some time to show i think. elaines current advice on complex carbs with enzymes is that the scd should still be followed rigourously. andrew 7 mths scd > > I'm confused. SCD without enzymes is like pre-antibiotic > medicine? Can you clarify what you mean by this? > > > > I thought that SCD eliminated carbs that were hard to digest so you > don't need the enzymes. Then, after the gut heals and one tries to > go back to a less restrictive diet, then enzymes would be a good > thing since an impaired digestion is what starts the vicious cycle in > the first place. > > > > Robbie > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 " you understand that scd without enzymes is like pre antibiotic medicine " HUH? You lost me there . I definitely do not agree. Marjan Netherlands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 i'm ending discussion on the topic do the posters on this baord have to make so much work for everything? i have just to much to do now and will restrict posting. > " you understand that scd without enzymes is like > pre antibiotic medicine " > > HUH? You lost me there . I definitely do not agree. > > Marjan > Netherlands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 " Well, if the diet works, why not just do it? " I don't think anyone is disputing the healing power of SCD, but some people still need enzymes. My boys continue to take enzymes and have since the very beginning of enzyme use in autism-- back 4 years ago. They made a big difference then and continue to make a difference now. Parents has the awesome task of figuring out what helps their own child. Enzymes help my kids. Jody mom to -5 and -7 SCD 17 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 I understand that. I got the impression that this thread was started to promote allowing more complex carbs on SCD with enzyme supplementation. I must have misunderstood. Robbie Re: karens enzymes link " Well, if the diet works, why not just do it? " I don't think anyone is disputing the healing power of SCD, but some people still need enzymes. My boys continue to take enzymes and have since the very beginning of enzyme use in autism-- back 4 years ago. They made a big difference then and continue to make a difference now. Parents has the awesome task of figuring out what helps their own child. Enzymes help my kids. Jody mom to -5 and -7 SCD 17 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 That was what I thought when I first switched my son to SCD. I figured since his diet was now so restricted, why spend my money on enzymes so I stopped. Over the next few months I noticed a slow regression. When I realized what was happening, I immediately put him back on. It didn't take long for him to get back on track. I am very careful of his diet and at school he has a 1:1 aide primarily to never take her eyes off him in case he gets something illegal (they are very diligent because they have experienced his horrendous behaviours during an infraction). Regardless what diet is followed, there are some kids that need enzymes no matter what until there is more healing. > Well, if the diet works, why not just do it? Enzymes are expensive and hard to administer - they have to be the right combination of enzymes for the foods that are being eaten and taken at the right time before EVERY meal and snack and in the right dosage and they are expensive. Because I know that is most likely not producing enough enzymes, thus starting the vicious cycle, I will most likely get him a decent, rounded enzyme supplement that he can take before his meals but this will be long after he is healed. Right now, I would worry every time he took a bite of an illegal food, even if he took enzymes, as to whether or not I was sabotaging his healing. And those dang enzymes are expensive, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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