Guest guest Posted December 7, 2000 Report Share Posted December 7, 2000 I didnt put you in that category Sue; you just chose to declare yourself in it. Yeah, I guess I do put myself in that category and dont aplogize for it at all. Sue A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2000 Report Share Posted December 7, 2000 This forum is for people to discuss thier experiences and positive ways of healing and growing from the inherently destructive cult of 12 step programs, not to chat about gun control and the death penalty. If you want to discuss these issues, you should find another forum from which to spout from your soap-box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2000 Report Share Posted December 7, 2000 i did not realize that i was required to introduce myself to express an opinion ..... sounds like that aa stuff has crept a little too far into ...... as far as the purpose of the forum, i do think it's name or title is rather indicative to what someone of average inteligence would expect to find here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2000 Report Share Posted December 7, 2000 > > As one of those that belong to the " hang em high crowd " as you put it, if you > would go back and read my earlier posts I said the death penalty should be > used when there is IRREFUTABLE guilt, no shadow of a doubt at all. I didnt put you in that category Sue; you just chose to declare yourself in it. My post wasnt in response to one of yours in any way. It is an interesting philosophical question whether your criterion can *ever* be satiasfied, but even if it can it takes time and hence we are back with the long appeals process. I expect the burden of proof in the US is the same as here; " beyond all reasonable doubt " . In other words, we already *have* this criterion, it still gets the wrong person executed occasionally, and ppl may still be let off for fear of doing so. You seem > to have a way with just reading what you want out of posts to make your > points and dont really take into consideration the WHOLE post of the other > person. WHAT I SAID WAS THIS: If there is ANY doubt, such as lacking of > good DNA evidence or the proverbial smoking gun, then those people I would > agree have the right to appeal, but sickos like Gacy and Bundy should have > been executed IMMEDIATELY without any appeals afforded to them, they were > CLEARLY guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.. I have seen the shows like Oprah > just had on where there were some formerly death row inmates and they were > found to be innocent later and released, in their cases, there was no DNA > evidence, no credible eyewitnesses, so in those cases I dont support the > immediate death penalty, but with Gacy and Bundy and others, I am sure it > was a clear cut case of pure out and out guilt, no questions. One case was > sighted on Oprahs show where Governor Bush, I think it was, had good evidence > just discovered that a guy on death row might be innocent, but he refused to > give another trial to him, that I think was wrong. We had a case here a few > years ago where these two guys robbed and killed a whole family in an > attempted burglary and they admitted it, there was a weapon, there was DNA > evidence, but yet they only got life WITH the possibility of parole, where is > the justice in that? They even gave clear cut confessions and yet someday > they could be free. That makes me sick! > As for your statement about people being in prison for life not killing > again, give me a break, how many times have we heard of inmates that killed > other inmates or guards? Who killed Dahmer? Another inmate of > course. So much for not being able to kill again just because they are > locked away. > Sue A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2000 Report Share Posted December 7, 2000 > Yeah, I guess I do put myself in that category and dont apologize >for it at all. I think the real tragedy of these death penalty and gun control threads is that I havent even begun to express the real reasons for my views, which I believe are very different from what many ppl seem to think they are. As it is, I have allowed to pass by accusations from different sources that I am indifferent to the rights of the victims of serial killers or the welfare of my grandparents. These are totally untrue and unfair. It might be nice one day to discuss it in a *suitable* forum with mutual respect and without bitterness. What I will say here is firstly I am not as opinionated as I might seem on these topics, especially with regard to the gun situation in the US. I have tried to think about this question with some openness to the views of others and an appreciation of a differen cultural perspective. I realize that what might be the best way to handle things in my country may well not be in the US. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2000 Report Share Posted December 7, 2000 Perhpas you are right. howevr, I do find it rather novel when someone in their very first post without even introducing themself tells an established list what their list is for. > This forum is for people to discuss thier experiences and positive ways of > healing and growing from the inherently destructive cult of 12 step programs, > not to chat about gun control and the death penalty. If you want to discuss > these issues, you should find another forum from which to spout from your > soap-box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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