Re: is this part of thyroid problem?

[Guest guest]

it's compelling. but i'd like to know what the details were before

hedging a bet that hypothyroid is a sound defense for murder.

>

> In a message dated 10/19/2004 6:24:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> alison.ashwell@... writes:

>

>> actually just found a case of hypothyroid psychois defense:

>>

>>

>> *Myxedema psychosis--insanity defense in homicide.*

>>

>>

>

> so case closed?

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting conversation. We have both been to the stage of no control...no

ability to walk away. It's like there are no reins to pull you in. You are aware

that you shouldn't start in with whatever, but you just cannot stop it. We have

both tried. It is like being possessed. Once we started hc for our adrenals we

developed " reins " once again. Endocrine issues are very serious. They give or

take balance, control, and reason. I can say that we have definitely seen each

other, when on a cortisol low, have very distorted views of an interaction. As I

said , it has been quite an experience having the 2 of us sick with this. We

mirror each other. It's tough, but perhaps we have more understanding too for

what the other is feeling. I can say that there have been moments when he has

been especially bad off and unreasonable when I have been doing extraordinarily

well so that his unreasonableness did not get to me, but I understood and could

help. At times it happens the other way around. It is quite an eye-opener to

this disease at those times. That is when I truly realize how it is all just a

lack of chemicals. If I am feeling badly too at the same time, I do not have the

choice to help and understand because I am lost too in the derangement that very

low cortisol and thyroid causes. If you have not been there and then been

treated " out of it " , then you cannot understand. You cannot see and feel the

effect of having adequate hormones vs. too low levels.

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: Re: is this part of thyroid problem?

In a message dated 10/19/2004 3:12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> because yelling and screaming are the result of behaviour

> when a person reaches the end point of their tolerance levels as a

> result of their illness. but it isn't caused by their illness. an

> alternative would be to leave the room. she's still capable of that.

>

and she might be. not everyone...dependent upon the stage of their

illness...would be. i think maybe you never got to this stage?

Cindi

[Guest guest]

One thing that I cannot tolerate is when someone uses their own level of illness

as " the example " of what others are experiencing. The one sure thing about

endocrine diseases is that we each experience its manifestations in a very

individual way. There are thousands of symptoms to be experienced in thousands

of ways and variations. Because you had total control and awareness at the very

worst of your disease means only just that, for you.It does not mean that you

represent any other individual's experience. You are not the first person on

here to claim to know what others are experiencing and should be doing or not

doing by using the judgment from your own experiences. We should share our

experiences, but not claim to know how to judge other's actions or choices. You

are bound to be wrong.

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: Re: is this part of thyroid problem?

again, i disagree. i was diagnosed with hashimoto's, had a tsh of 39,

couldn't hardly walk without a cane, when i went in. before that

diagnosis, i was capable of controlling my actions and capable of

making choices even when i was sick. i always was. and i do believe i

qualify as being " at the worst point of hypo " .

i'm still walking on a cane today. i still have every symptom i had

when i went in that clinic that first time, and the only difference is

30mg of armour, which is nothing. and i'm still capable of making

choices.

i'm all aware of brain fog and mood disorders. i suffer that all the

time, still, and on top of that, live with bipolar illness which is a

GREAT mood disorder. thyroid-wise, i really am in no better shape than

i was 2 years ago, and am in fact worse. this argument of yours, that

if i was capable of making choices and therefore i was never at the

worst point of hypo, sounds like a justification for using the disease

as an excuse, because if anyone had an excuse for being that way, it

would be someone in my shoes, and i don't do that at all anymore. it's

also a little bit dismissive, in fact, to the pain and suffering i have

weathered and still put up with, further treatment pending.

b

>

> In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:09:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> 420@... writes:

>

>> then i decided it was really not going to help me feel any better and

>> would in fact help make EVERYONE feel worse.

>

> see...if you had the capability to actually decide something...then you

> weren't there. at the worst point of hypo....folks are incapable of

> good thinking.

> their brain is not functioning properly.

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Guess you have never heard of hashimoto's encephalitis. That is a

neurological disease that does affect the brain. About.com has info

on it.

Louise

>

> >

> > In a message dated 10/19/2004 5:18:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > 420@l... writes:

> >

> >> as for hypothyroid being a disease of the brain, you might

believe it,

> >> but that doesn't make it true

> >

> > Then what is low thyroid a disease of?

> > Cindi

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:51:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> i'm still walking on a cane today. i still have every symptom i had

> when i went in that clinic that first time, and the only difference is

> 30mg of armour, which is nothing. and i'm still capable of making

> choices.

>

Baron,

I wanted to revisit this statement above. I may have missed it in a previous

post - but why are you on so small a dose of Armour while you are continuing

to have symptoms?

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/20/2004 2:57:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> i'm seeing someone new and am waiting for some major bloodwork to come

> in before increasing my dose

well...i guess you know all those answers were wrong. doctors are so

clueless about this disease. I think when you can get your thyroid hormones on

up

there..that'll you'll start to feel better.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/20/2004 4:14:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> imagine my shock when i discovered that therapeutic doses of

> armour are usually 5 - 10x higher than what i was prescribed.

>

i can imagine. you may probably have felt even some anger at yourself for

not looking into this deeper and just trusting doctors. I know I did. I

remember ordering a book about thyroid disease back in 2001 right before I went

to a

doctor for the third time to request thyroid tests. Of course when the TSH

test came back " NORMAL " , I had thrown it away. I recently reordered it. That

TSH was within range, but high. And I could kick myself for not doing more

research three years ago..it would have saved me a lot of problems that

occurred in the last three years. Of course I probably would have only had a

doc who

prescribed Synthroid....

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/20/2004 4:15:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> now, it's, " you're going to be better. i promise. we'll get you

> better. " and, " ugh i feel awful today...it's my allergies. sorry, i

> know you feel a lot worse than that... " and, " let's get you better so

> we can take a trip. "

>

> i don't know how to explain it but it makes a complete and utter

> difference, and the bad days don't seem so harsh.

>

>

Baron,

I did what you did..had my husband read about the disease...and then he

understood completely. He was supportive even before, but reading about it

helped

him understand it. I have even printed forum posts for him to read because

the folks here tell it so well. But his attitude and care and concern has been

a major factor in motivating me to keep trying and to keep getting better. He

tells me every day how much I have improved and that I will get better, just

to give it time.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

it's a question i have never been able to answer, but i'll give you my

previous doctors' answers:

" your tsh is fine...at 1.2 you're not just sufficiently treated, you're

in fact being generously treated. "

" your tsh is 1.03...so clearly none of this has to do with your

thyroid. it really sounds like fibromyalgia, which is a very difficult

disease to manage. "

" if you take more than 30mg of armour, you are going to get

osteoperosis, like many of the women i see in here, who took more

thyroid drugs than they needed because they thought it would be fun to

lose weight that way and also feel peppy. "

i'm seeing someone new and am waiting for some major bloodwork to come

in before increasing my dose. the adrenals have been checked and all

that. however she was appalled at my previous dr's mishandling of my

case, and increased my dose immediately to 60mg just to see. it has

not had any improvement for me, which she said probably would be the

case anyway.

baron

> Baron,

> I wanted to revisit this statement above. I may have missed it in a

> previous

> post - but why are you on so small a dose of Armour while you are

> continuing

> to have symptoms?

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And Hyde, hehe!! Do you take time out for yourself, where your are by

yourself, doing what you want to? ME time? Needs to be a block of your

life where you can identify with only yourself.

I practically

> can stand my husband of 20 years!

I divorced mine so many yrs ago, when I couldn't stand the ground he walked

on any more.

[Guest guest]

You are a realist Baron, and I have a tendency to agreem at least on this

one. As I said, I left one that I couldn't stand any more, after 18 yrs of

marriage, with a VERY good cause. And I would have told anyone, at one

time, that I loved him more than anything. MY problem was that I couldn't

even disagree with him at ALL.

Re: is this part of thyroid problem?

>

> it could be you are more irritable when you are sick and in pain. but

> it would be foolish to think that all your communication problems and

> feelings towards your husband and children have to do with the thyroid.

>

> b

[Guest guest]

The fighting began and I can remember him saying how anti-social I

> had become, as well as fat & lazy. He didn't want to even try to

understand

> he just knew he hated what I had become.

That's not love. Love suffers long. Aren't ya glad HE'S gone, because you

are worth much more love than that .

[Guest guest]

Remember someone posting an article-opinion on one of the causes of thyroid

disease (in the stress realm of things) being quote " I never get to say or

do what I want to do or say " ? This was MY problem. No, I didn't yell or

scream at my spouse, rather, I was yelled or screamed at, punched on, and

didn't have the physical or mental ability to do anything about it at the

time. It was when I became hyperthyroid, my cortisol was probably soaring

to the moon, etc....that I was finally able to be so aggressive to even be

more physical, both physically and emotionally, even to the point of being

more devisive in getting the hell out of the mess. This is all from the

hypo's point of view, but also, as I said, looking back, I believe that HE

had thyroid disease, unproven. I did not have the knowledge then that I

have now, to help either one of us, but I knew that me and my children could

no longer live in that situation, no matter which one of us/both of us were

thyroid victims or not. ly, I was always a very peace-loving person,

with a gentle nature and would never hurt anyone, but it became so, that, at

one point, I really could have shot him and not blinked an eye, had I had a

gun. He threatened me with one several times. It's time to go rather than

live in this kind of thing.

Re: Re: is this part of thyroid problem?

>

> Does knocking someone unconscious with a marble cutting board amount to

bad

> thyroid behavior? LOL Yes I did, and from what I remember of the incident,

I

> should have done it long before I did, but if it happened now.. I would

just

> leave. That is the difference in ME from no Armour to full treatment. Then

I

> had no choices that I could see or do. Now I have many choices, and the

> ability to see them.

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

I think that we don't always know what's actually going on in someone else's

household, yes?

Re: Re: is this part of thyroid problem?

>

> In a message dated 10/19/2004 3:12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> 420@... writes:

>

> > because yelling and screaming are the result of behaviour

> > when a person reaches the end point of their tolerance levels as a

> > result of their illness. but it isn't caused by their illness. an

> > alternative would be to leave the room. she's still capable of that.

> >

>

> and she might be. not everyone...dependent upon the stage of their

> illness...would be. i think maybe you never got to this stage?

> Cindi