Re: is this part of thyroid problem?

[Guest guest]

Mrs. Jekyl... could be low thyroid or other hormones. I have had days when I

yelled at my cats that I NEVER lose patience with! When you are tired,

patience is the first thing that goes, and even the sweetest kids & hubby

will try your patience now & then!

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

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[Guest guest]

YES<YESYESYESYESYES,.......btw, the answer is YES! That was my first

symptom, I was under a huge amount of stress, and I wanted to kick

and scream, so much so that I chipped teeth to stop from screaming

and scaring the kids, they were real young, and I did kick a hole in

wall, but that was my wake up call to get to the dr. immediately,

Zoloft really helped with the depression and anxiety, depression is

a symptom of this disease. I had always thought that depression

meant crying uncontrollablly and having suicidal thoughts, turns out

I was wrong, depression manifested itself in me as anger, and

impatience, some days are better than others but they are becoming

more frequent, hope this makes you feel more normal, samantha

>

> Ok, maybe this question has been asked before, but then again maybe

> it hasn't BUT has been thought about before...

>

> Why am I losing patience with my husband and my kids? I

practically

> can stand my husband of 20 years! I adore my kids and I am always

> with them (hubby isn't...gets too tired, poor thing!) Today was a

> bad day and I yelled at the kids way too much. You think this

could

> be a thyroid related issue, or just a personal personality issue?

> Any one been there?

>

> Thanks from Ms. Jekyl!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 10:09:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,

tayamni@... writes:

> can you imagine TWO unreasonable personalities trying to live together!

two thyroidal/adrenal folks in the same household is almost too scary to

contemplate.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

I agree with Cindi. And both thyroid and adrenal issues can cause huge changes

in personality. Both my husband and myself suffer from both. ( can you imagine

TWO unreasonable personalities trying to live together! ) I think that our

adrenal issues caused the worst, most destructive, personality changes.

Fortunately we have a very strong relationship AND realize that these diseases

are effecting us drastically. At the beginning of the summer when we were both

at our worst ( before treatment ) I do not even want to remember how bad things

got at times. Now, after just 3.5 months of treatment the transformations are

obvious. Our calmer selves are re-emerging. It's still a rocky road with lots of

ups and downs, but we have barely started on the road back to health. You can

bet glandular issues can be the only cause for the demise of a relationship.

One's perception gets distorted. One gets unreasonable, hypersensitive, over

defensive.....everything and anything that would drive another away. Sure people

can have other problems in the relationship. But the problems CAN stem just from

glandular issues.

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: is this part of thyroid problem?

In a message dated 10/19/2004 1:02:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> but

> it would be foolish to think that all your communication problems and

> feelings towards your husband and children have to do with the thyroid

i disagree. it is quite possible. when i was first diagnosed, i remember

reading how marriages had broken up because of how a partner had changed

because

of thyroid disease. the change that occurs in one's personality can be

puzzling and frustrating to both partners. I ask my husband now how he stood

me

during that really difficult time...and he tells me " I knew it wasn't

you " ....but I have a really great husband...I can certainly see, however,

where if a

marriage wasn't strong...a partner might say " enough of this " .

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 2:03:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> communication problems have to do with poor communication--not poor

> thyroid function.

>

baron,

maybe you just haven't experienced this part of thyroid dysfunction...but for

me...I didn't even know anything was wrong. thyroid disease can really sneak

up on you and start changing you. and I was so affected by thyroid disease,

that the good brain functioning just wasn't there. so there was no way i

could communicate that I wasn't myself because I didn't even know how bad off i

was. If I had, I certainly would have gotten myself to a doctor a whole lot

sooner. But all I knew was that I was dead tired and I couldn't think right

anymore and everything was just too much for me. Try to communicate? I

couldn't

even grasp the concept at the time.

Luckily, I had a husband who loves me and stood by me...and luckily we have a

strong marriage. I don't think I was capable of communication during the

time before Armour. I probaby couldn't have even pronounced the word.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

And isn't there a book that has a chapter on how relationships

change? I can't remember which one it is. (Not Shomon's.)

Louise

> In a message dated 10/19/2004 1:02:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> 420@l... writes:

>

> > but

> > it would be foolish to think that all your communication problems

and

> > feelings towards your husband and children have to do with the

thyroid

>

> i disagree. it is quite possible. when i was first diagnosed, i

remember

> reading how marriages had broken up because of how a partner had

changed because

> of thyroid disease. the change that occurs in one's personality

can be

> puzzling and frustrating to both partners. I ask my husband now

how he stood me

> during that really difficult time...and he tells me " I knew it

wasn't

> you " ....but I have a really great husband...I can certainly see,

however, where if a

> marriage wasn't strong...a partner might say " enough of this " .

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 2:03:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> thyroid

> disease didn't stop me from opening the channels and trying to be a

> better communicator. i don't think communication in a relationship is

> anything to take for granted

And baron, I agree with you here. But i think we're talking about two

different times...before Armour...and after Armour.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 2:19:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> thyroid disease is pretty awful and really handicaps a lot of areas of

> our lives. if at all possible, we shouldn't let it handicap our

> relationships.

>

this is true. once I knew what was wrong, I could start working on it in

partnership with my husband. but it's really hard when you're so sick you don't

even know what you're doing - or even can remember from one day to the next

what you might have said or done. my husband tells me things now that I said or

did - and i have NO recollection of it. there's a period of about 6 months

that is just sorta a haze for me.

But yes, now that we know...we have been able to talk quite openly about

it...how it affects me, him, and us. And we work around the disease...not

letting

the disease control us.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 3:05:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> (that was not my thyroid making me misunderstand--that was just me!)

>

lol. you can blame it on thyroid however...if you'd like...no one here would

disagree with you at all.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 3:12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> at what point does a person take responsibility for their behaviour?

> at what point are they in or out of control?

>

good thought provoking questions.

I can only answer for me.

I think there was a point in my decline before being diagnosed that I really

wasn't capable to control everything. Would I have shot my husband at that

point? I don't think so. Would I have harmed myself? Quite possibly. Would I

have spanked a kid (if i had young ones) when I shouldn't have. Probably.

Did I yell at the cat when I shouldn't have? Yes.

But there really was a period of time when Cindi was not Cindi. She had

brain damage...serious brain damage from my brain not having enough T3 in it.

You

need T3 in your brain to function normally. Without it, you will probably

have all sorts of psychiatric disorder and in my opinion...are not yourself at

all.

So if the question is should a jury let someone go if they have seriously

harmed someone because at the time they were seriously hypo...hmmm...good

question...because for sure I was not responsible for what I was doing...let's

toss

this around and see what some other folks say.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 3:12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> " this is the disease " thing at the point she's

> described,

and that's the thing... " at the point she's described " ...I think that changes

over time as one declines into hypo...and then changes back as one gets

treatment. I can't speak for what point she really is at.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 3:12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> and reject the notion that in this aspect you are out of

> control if you are hypo and that it has anything to do with an " optimal

> dose " of thyroid hormone

again..I think it is at what point in the illness one is at. And before

treatment or reaching good thyroid hormone levels can be a very out of control

thing.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:45:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> people engage in all sorts of behaviour without being aware of it for

> some time

and sometimes because of brain disease...and sometimes not.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:45:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> but i don't knock off my

> thyroid as the reason why i was unaware in the beginning, and that

> somehow the condition changed and suddenly i was aware.

>

>

but this IS my experience with thyroid disease...and others too...although

I'm sure many do not get to this point.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:49:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

alison.ashwell@... writes:

> i have certainly been in sheer rages -smashing things, kicking walls

> etc not my normsal way of acting by any means -very like being a

> toddler and there is absolutely no way of being able to step outside or

> leave the room.

>

yes. been there. done that. and it is totally unlike me.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:51:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> sounds like a justification for using the disease

> as an excuse

not an excuse...but rather the reason.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:51:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> again, i disagree

well see...you can disagree for YOU...but you didn't have my hypo

experience...so you can't disagree for me.

being patient,

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:51:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> . and i do believe i

> qualify as being " at the worst point of hypo " .

>

and that is different for everyone...depending upon how the thyroid hormone

deficiency has affected one's body.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:56:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

>

>

> you're going down the slippery slope of now trying to describe

> hypothyroid as a " brain disease " .

>

that's not a slippery slope. that is a fact.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:56:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

>

> is it your position that there are no empowered people in the world who

> have suffered and are currently suffering mood, brain, emotional

> disorders?

>

no. that is not my position.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 5:00:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> also, why do you assume that just because you suffered one way with

> hypothyroid, that no one else went through the same thing? isn't it

> possible that some people have better control over their behaviour and

> choices even when afflicted with this disease, than others?

>

I didn't assume that no one else went through it. in fact, i think some

others have posted that they did.

and yes, it is quite possible some others had better control over their

behavior...but knowing who i am and how I've always been, i doubt that is

probable

that at the point i was that someone else would have had better control.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 5:00:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> i have to repeat, again, that the original poster was aware of her

> behaviour. this wasn't a case of her being completely in the dark

> about what's going on. she feels her behaviour has changed and she

> doesn't like it.

>

and she asked if this was part of thyroid disease...and many answered yes.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 5:04:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> then why do you keep insisting that you know MY EXPERIENCE, because

> that's what you've been trying to do?

>

baron...i have no idea what your experience was...but you obviously never

were out of control according to you. but if you think you were out of

control...but yet remained in control...I'm not going to argue with you.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

well i went through something very similar. i just wasn't able to do

much and two 20-somethings weren't real well equipped to deal with a

disability. then there was depression and insecurity and so forth. it

damn near broke my marriage up.

we just had to learn to communicate better. and it worked. thyroid

disease didn't stop me from opening the channels and trying to be a

better communicator. i don't think communication in a relationship is

anything to take for granted. and it's passive to assume that any

partner--no matter how great--should understand that she's not herself

and accept that and wait till she gets better without her putting in

some effort to make different behavioural choices.

thyroid has made me depressed and forgetful and moody and those things

i can't help. but instead of blowing up and raising my voice, if i

feel a situation is getting the better of me, i leave the room and

decompress. that i can help. it's about doing what you can, not

giving in to what you can't and giving the disease credit for

everything.

communication problems have to do with poor communication--not poor

thyroid function.

best,

baron

>

> In a message dated 10/19/2004 1:02:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> 420@... writes:

>

>> but

>> it would be foolish to think that all your communication problems and

>> feelings towards your husband and children have to do with the thyroid

>

> i disagree. it is quite possible. when i was first diagnosed, i

> remember

> reading how marriages had broken up because of how a partner had

> changed because

> of thyroid disease. the change that occurs in one's personality can be

> puzzling and frustrating to both partners. I ask my husband now how

> he stood me

> during that really difficult time...and he tells me " I knew it wasn't

> you " ....but I have a really great husband...I can certainly see,

> however, where if a

> marriage wasn't strong...a partner might say " enough of this " .

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

sorry, i think i've been misunderstood (not to mention quoted out of

context because in the sentence before this quote, i alluded to the

probability that she is much more irritable because she's sick and in

pain)--i certainly wasn't suggesting that none of her problems in her

family had to do with her thyroid. i am sure a lot of them have to do

with it, as it did mine for a while.

my opinion is simply that communication problems plague every

relationship. naturally, in a situation like this, those problems get

exacerbated. someone's awfully sick, her family is awfully wary of

this but maybe don't understand this disease too much (she doesn't LOOK

sick!) and so resentment builds, tolerance and patience drops, somebody

does something " off " and immediately they get screamed at.

was that all because of her thyroid? part of it, yes. but she doesn't

have to wait till her thyroid gets better with the right medication

before she takes leadership as a partner and parent and catalyzes some

open channels of discussion and communication to not only help everyone

else understand this disease and in fact get some support and help

around the house to make her life easier.

i don't know how much everyone's partners understand about thyroid

disease, but mine was helped a lot by reading a couple chapters of

shomon's book. as well as me expressing myself and not trying to hide

how i feel or what's going on. and requiring her to do the same.

thyroid disease is pretty awful and really handicaps a lot of areas of

our lives. if at all possible, we shouldn't let it handicap our

relationships.

best,

baron

>

>

> And isn't there a book that has a chapter on how relationships

> change? I can't remember which one it is. (Not Shomon's.)

>

> Louise

>

>

>

>> In a message dated 10/19/2004 1:02:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>> 420@l... writes:

>>

>>> but

>>> it would be foolish to think that all your communication problems

> and

>>> feelings towards your husband and children have to do with the

> thyroid

>>

>> i disagree. it is quite possible. when i was first diagnosed, i

> remember

>> reading how marriages had broken up because of how a partner had

> changed because

>> of thyroid disease. the change that occurs in one's personality

> can be

>> puzzling and frustrating to both partners. I ask my husband now

> how he stood me

>> during that really difficult time...and he tells me " I knew it

> wasn't

>> you " ....but I have a really great husband...I can certainly see,

> however, where if a

>> marriage wasn't strong...a partner might say " enough of this " .

>> Cindi

>>

>>

>>