Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Mrs. Jekyl... could be low thyroid or other hormones. I have had days when I yelled at my cats that I NEVER lose patience with! When you are tired, patience is the first thing that goes, and even the sweetest kids & hubby will try your patience now & then! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 10/15/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 YES<YESYESYESYESYES,.......btw, the answer is YES! That was my first symptom, I was under a huge amount of stress, and I wanted to kick and scream, so much so that I chipped teeth to stop from screaming and scaring the kids, they were real young, and I did kick a hole in wall, but that was my wake up call to get to the dr. immediately, Zoloft really helped with the depression and anxiety, depression is a symptom of this disease. I had always thought that depression meant crying uncontrollablly and having suicidal thoughts, turns out I was wrong, depression manifested itself in me as anger, and impatience, some days are better than others but they are becoming more frequent, hope this makes you feel more normal, samantha > > Ok, maybe this question has been asked before, but then again maybe > it hasn't BUT has been thought about before... > > Why am I losing patience with my husband and my kids? I practically > can stand my husband of 20 years! I adore my kids and I am always > with them (hubby isn't...gets too tired, poor thing!) Today was a > bad day and I yelled at the kids way too much. You think this could > be a thyroid related issue, or just a personal personality issue? > Any one been there? > > Thanks from Ms. Jekyl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 10:09:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, tayamni@... writes: > can you imagine TWO unreasonable personalities trying to live together! two thyroidal/adrenal folks in the same household is almost too scary to contemplate. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 I agree with Cindi. And both thyroid and adrenal issues can cause huge changes in personality. Both my husband and myself suffer from both. ( can you imagine TWO unreasonable personalities trying to live together! ) I think that our adrenal issues caused the worst, most destructive, personality changes. Fortunately we have a very strong relationship AND realize that these diseases are effecting us drastically. At the beginning of the summer when we were both at our worst ( before treatment ) I do not even want to remember how bad things got at times. Now, after just 3.5 months of treatment the transformations are obvious. Our calmer selves are re-emerging. It's still a rocky road with lots of ups and downs, but we have barely started on the road back to health. You can bet glandular issues can be the only cause for the demise of a relationship. One's perception gets distorted. One gets unreasonable, hypersensitive, over defensive.....everything and anything that would drive another away. Sure people can have other problems in the relationship. But the problems CAN stem just from glandular issues. Roxanna North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc northstargsdr@... www.northstargsdr.org Re: is this part of thyroid problem? In a message dated 10/19/2004 1:02:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > but > it would be foolish to think that all your communication problems and > feelings towards your husband and children have to do with the thyroid i disagree. it is quite possible. when i was first diagnosed, i remember reading how marriages had broken up because of how a partner had changed because of thyroid disease. the change that occurs in one's personality can be puzzling and frustrating to both partners. I ask my husband now how he stood me during that really difficult time...and he tells me " I knew it wasn't you " ....but I have a really great husband...I can certainly see, however, where if a marriage wasn't strong...a partner might say " enough of this " . Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 2:03:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > communication problems have to do with poor communication--not poor > thyroid function. > baron, maybe you just haven't experienced this part of thyroid dysfunction...but for me...I didn't even know anything was wrong. thyroid disease can really sneak up on you and start changing you. and I was so affected by thyroid disease, that the good brain functioning just wasn't there. so there was no way i could communicate that I wasn't myself because I didn't even know how bad off i was. If I had, I certainly would have gotten myself to a doctor a whole lot sooner. But all I knew was that I was dead tired and I couldn't think right anymore and everything was just too much for me. Try to communicate? I couldn't even grasp the concept at the time. Luckily, I had a husband who loves me and stood by me...and luckily we have a strong marriage. I don't think I was capable of communication during the time before Armour. I probaby couldn't have even pronounced the word. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 And isn't there a book that has a chapter on how relationships change? I can't remember which one it is. (Not Shomon's.) Louise > In a message dated 10/19/2004 1:02:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, > 420@l... writes: > > > but > > it would be foolish to think that all your communication problems and > > feelings towards your husband and children have to do with the thyroid > > i disagree. it is quite possible. when i was first diagnosed, i remember > reading how marriages had broken up because of how a partner had changed because > of thyroid disease. the change that occurs in one's personality can be > puzzling and frustrating to both partners. I ask my husband now how he stood me > during that really difficult time...and he tells me " I knew it wasn't > you " ....but I have a really great husband...I can certainly see, however, where if a > marriage wasn't strong...a partner might say " enough of this " . > Cindi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 2:03:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > thyroid > disease didn't stop me from opening the channels and trying to be a > better communicator. i don't think communication in a relationship is > anything to take for granted And baron, I agree with you here. But i think we're talking about two different times...before Armour...and after Armour. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 2:19:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > thyroid disease is pretty awful and really handicaps a lot of areas of > our lives. if at all possible, we shouldn't let it handicap our > relationships. > this is true. once I knew what was wrong, I could start working on it in partnership with my husband. but it's really hard when you're so sick you don't even know what you're doing - or even can remember from one day to the next what you might have said or done. my husband tells me things now that I said or did - and i have NO recollection of it. there's a period of about 6 months that is just sorta a haze for me. But yes, now that we know...we have been able to talk quite openly about it...how it affects me, him, and us. And we work around the disease...not letting the disease control us. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 3:05:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > (that was not my thyroid making me misunderstand--that was just me!) > lol. you can blame it on thyroid however...if you'd like...no one here would disagree with you at all. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 3:12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > at what point does a person take responsibility for their behaviour? > at what point are they in or out of control? > good thought provoking questions. I can only answer for me. I think there was a point in my decline before being diagnosed that I really wasn't capable to control everything. Would I have shot my husband at that point? I don't think so. Would I have harmed myself? Quite possibly. Would I have spanked a kid (if i had young ones) when I shouldn't have. Probably. Did I yell at the cat when I shouldn't have? Yes. But there really was a period of time when Cindi was not Cindi. She had brain damage...serious brain damage from my brain not having enough T3 in it. You need T3 in your brain to function normally. Without it, you will probably have all sorts of psychiatric disorder and in my opinion...are not yourself at all. So if the question is should a jury let someone go if they have seriously harmed someone because at the time they were seriously hypo...hmmm...good question...because for sure I was not responsible for what I was doing...let's toss this around and see what some other folks say. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 3:12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > " this is the disease " thing at the point she's > described, and that's the thing... " at the point she's described " ...I think that changes over time as one declines into hypo...and then changes back as one gets treatment. I can't speak for what point she really is at. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 3:12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > and reject the notion that in this aspect you are out of > control if you are hypo and that it has anything to do with an " optimal > dose " of thyroid hormone again..I think it is at what point in the illness one is at. And before treatment or reaching good thyroid hormone levels can be a very out of control thing. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:45:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > people engage in all sorts of behaviour without being aware of it for > some time and sometimes because of brain disease...and sometimes not. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:45:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > but i don't knock off my > thyroid as the reason why i was unaware in the beginning, and that > somehow the condition changed and suddenly i was aware. > > but this IS my experience with thyroid disease...and others too...although I'm sure many do not get to this point. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:49:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, alison.ashwell@... writes: > i have certainly been in sheer rages -smashing things, kicking walls > etc not my normsal way of acting by any means -very like being a > toddler and there is absolutely no way of being able to step outside or > leave the room. > yes. been there. done that. and it is totally unlike me. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:51:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > sounds like a justification for using the disease > as an excuse not an excuse...but rather the reason. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:51:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > again, i disagree well see...you can disagree for YOU...but you didn't have my hypo experience...so you can't disagree for me. being patient, cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:51:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > . and i do believe i > qualify as being " at the worst point of hypo " . > and that is different for everyone...depending upon how the thyroid hormone deficiency has affected one's body. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:56:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > > > you're going down the slippery slope of now trying to describe > hypothyroid as a " brain disease " . > that's not a slippery slope. that is a fact. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:56:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > > is it your position that there are no empowered people in the world who > have suffered and are currently suffering mood, brain, emotional > disorders? > no. that is not my position. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 5:00:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > also, why do you assume that just because you suffered one way with > hypothyroid, that no one else went through the same thing? isn't it > possible that some people have better control over their behaviour and > choices even when afflicted with this disease, than others? > I didn't assume that no one else went through it. in fact, i think some others have posted that they did. and yes, it is quite possible some others had better control over their behavior...but knowing who i am and how I've always been, i doubt that is probable that at the point i was that someone else would have had better control. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 5:00:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > i have to repeat, again, that the original poster was aware of her > behaviour. this wasn't a case of her being completely in the dark > about what's going on. she feels her behaviour has changed and she > doesn't like it. > and she asked if this was part of thyroid disease...and many answered yes. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 5:04:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > then why do you keep insisting that you know MY EXPERIENCE, because > that's what you've been trying to do? > baron...i have no idea what your experience was...but you obviously never were out of control according to you. but if you think you were out of control...but yet remained in control...I'm not going to argue with you. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 well i went through something very similar. i just wasn't able to do much and two 20-somethings weren't real well equipped to deal with a disability. then there was depression and insecurity and so forth. it damn near broke my marriage up. we just had to learn to communicate better. and it worked. thyroid disease didn't stop me from opening the channels and trying to be a better communicator. i don't think communication in a relationship is anything to take for granted. and it's passive to assume that any partner--no matter how great--should understand that she's not herself and accept that and wait till she gets better without her putting in some effort to make different behavioural choices. thyroid has made me depressed and forgetful and moody and those things i can't help. but instead of blowing up and raising my voice, if i feel a situation is getting the better of me, i leave the room and decompress. that i can help. it's about doing what you can, not giving in to what you can't and giving the disease credit for everything. communication problems have to do with poor communication--not poor thyroid function. best, baron > > In a message dated 10/19/2004 1:02:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, > 420@... writes: > >> but >> it would be foolish to think that all your communication problems and >> feelings towards your husband and children have to do with the thyroid > > i disagree. it is quite possible. when i was first diagnosed, i > remember > reading how marriages had broken up because of how a partner had > changed because > of thyroid disease. the change that occurs in one's personality can be > puzzling and frustrating to both partners. I ask my husband now how > he stood me > during that really difficult time...and he tells me " I knew it wasn't > you " ....but I have a really great husband...I can certainly see, > however, where if a > marriage wasn't strong...a partner might say " enough of this " . > Cindi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 sorry, i think i've been misunderstood (not to mention quoted out of context because in the sentence before this quote, i alluded to the probability that she is much more irritable because she's sick and in pain)--i certainly wasn't suggesting that none of her problems in her family had to do with her thyroid. i am sure a lot of them have to do with it, as it did mine for a while. my opinion is simply that communication problems plague every relationship. naturally, in a situation like this, those problems get exacerbated. someone's awfully sick, her family is awfully wary of this but maybe don't understand this disease too much (she doesn't LOOK sick!) and so resentment builds, tolerance and patience drops, somebody does something " off " and immediately they get screamed at. was that all because of her thyroid? part of it, yes. but she doesn't have to wait till her thyroid gets better with the right medication before she takes leadership as a partner and parent and catalyzes some open channels of discussion and communication to not only help everyone else understand this disease and in fact get some support and help around the house to make her life easier. i don't know how much everyone's partners understand about thyroid disease, but mine was helped a lot by reading a couple chapters of shomon's book. as well as me expressing myself and not trying to hide how i feel or what's going on. and requiring her to do the same. thyroid disease is pretty awful and really handicaps a lot of areas of our lives. if at all possible, we shouldn't let it handicap our relationships. best, baron > > > And isn't there a book that has a chapter on how relationships > change? I can't remember which one it is. (Not Shomon's.) > > Louise > > > >> In a message dated 10/19/2004 1:02:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> 420@l... writes: >> >>> but >>> it would be foolish to think that all your communication problems > and >>> feelings towards your husband and children have to do with the > thyroid >> >> i disagree. it is quite possible. when i was first diagnosed, i > remember >> reading how marriages had broken up because of how a partner had > changed because >> of thyroid disease. the change that occurs in one's personality > can be >> puzzling and frustrating to both partners. I ask my husband now > how he stood me >> during that really difficult time...and he tells me " I knew it > wasn't >> you " ....but I have a really great husband...I can certainly see, > however, where if a >> marriage wasn't strong...a partner might say " enough of this " . >> Cindi >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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