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Tina, I'm reposting this message I had saved... plus, will send a couple of

others. -Patti :

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We do occasionally see yeast flare ups when starting SCD. This should be a

temporary increase. As lots of pathogenic bacteria are the first to die off by

not feeding them with starches and sugars, yeast will attempt to take up that

empty space initially. By giving either powerful homemade SCD yogurt or

excellent probiotics, one can *usually* avoid this situation.

For those with yeast overgrowth...

" It is wise to cut back on honey ingestion at the beginning of the dietary

regimen (amount of honey in recipes should be decreased by at least 75%). The

amount

of honey may be increased as the condition improves. " (quote taken from BTVC)

We have found that using some form of probiotic is also helpful. Probiotics can

take the form of yogurt (made from goat, cow or nut milk), other fermented foods

(such as HOMEMADE sauerkraut or kimchi) or probiotic powder or capsules (in case

the child is not yet ready for any yogurts).

Ensuring that all vegetables and fruits foods are peeled and cooked at the

beginning is also helpful in controlling yeast overgrowth. Undigested foods can

feed microbes and delay healing.

The use of anti-fungals may be necessary. Some natural anti-fungals include:

homemade carrot juice and garlic, oil of oregano, grapefruit seed extract (GSE)

with or without enzymes. Some decide to go with prescription anti-fungals such

as Nystatin. If using both a probiotic (or yogurt) and an anti-fungal, be sure

to give them at separate times in order to preserve the live beneficial

bacteria.

Recurring Yeast

Hello,

We have been SCD for about 7 months now, and I believe we are still

having major yeast problems. We have not been able to eat all of the

SCD legal things yet, but I am thinking of cutting out honey and

trying to add things like eggs and the yogurt instead. Would this be

a viable thing? Or should I just cut way back on the honey? I read

an article from Great Plains Lab the other day that linked children

who had been vaccinated with MMR with an improper way to fight off

candida. The article stated that in essence, they could not fight

off candida at all, and it was a major cause of the onset of celiac.

Could it be that even a little sweets could keep the yeast from

dying, even though all the other bacteria is getting better? Has

anyone cut out all honey at the first of diet and seen good results?

Thanks!

Tina

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

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Tina

On the adult SCD board I frequent, there is a woman with a GI illness

who was battling serious yeast problems. She cut out all dairy (incl.

yogurt,) fruit, honey and mushrooms for a time. She also supplemented

with raw garlic, grapefruit seed extract and legal acidiophilus

supplements. The yeast seemed to abate some, but she had to be super

vigilant with her supps. She just couldn't keep up with it, she ran

out of GSE or garlic once and eating just wasn't enjoyable any more!

Besides, the yeast problem didn't seem any better.

She had a flare of D after eating some legal green chile stew and went

back to intro and slowly added back in foods like one would at the

very beginning. Her yeast problem seemed to go away. She described the

experience as her body flushing everything out with the D and starting

all over again. The D didn't really last very long either; a day or

two I think.

Perhaps doing a quick one/two day intro and starting all over again

would help alot in this case. There isn't very much honey in the

intro anyhoo. I have also had very tasty results baking and reducing

the honey by half. Or you could stick to the cashew butter muffins or

PB/banana pancakes; they are sweet enough without the honey. A week

experiment might be worth it and it certainly can't hurt. I'd start

giving probiotics right after intro though to really get that yeast

out of there.

Good luck!!!

Chrystee

>

> Could it be that even a little sweets could keep the yeast from

> dying, even though all the other bacteria is getting better? Has

> anyone cut out all honey at the first of diet and seen good results?

> Thanks!

>

> Tina

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Patti,

Should I go ahead and start trying eggs, while I am beginning the

goat yogurt, or just wait until after I am established on the goat

yogurt?

Thanks,

tina SCD with boys for 7 months very limited still

> Tina, I'm reposting this message I had saved... plus, will send a

couple of others. -Patti :

>

> ******************************************************************

> We do occasionally see yeast flare ups when starting SCD. This

should be a temporary increase. As lots of pathogenic bacteria are

the first to die off by not feeding them with starches and sugars,

yeast will attempt to take up that empty space initially. By giving

either powerful homemade SCD yogurt or excellent probiotics, one can

*usually* avoid this situation.

>

> For those with yeast overgrowth...

> " It is wise to cut back on honey ingestion at the beginning of the

dietary regimen (amount of honey in recipes should be decreased by at

least 75%). The amount

> of honey may be increased as the condition improves. " (quote taken

from BTVC)

>

> We have found that using some form of probiotic is also helpful.

Probiotics can take the form of yogurt (made from goat, cow or nut

milk), other fermented foods (such as HOMEMADE sauerkraut or kimchi)

or probiotic powder or capsules (in case the child is not yet ready

for any yogurts).

>

> Ensuring that all vegetables and fruits foods are peeled and cooked

at the

> beginning is also helpful in controlling yeast overgrowth.

Undigested foods can feed microbes and delay healing.

>

> The use of anti-fungals may be necessary. Some natural anti-fungals

include:

> homemade carrot juice and garlic, oil of oregano, grapefruit seed

extract (GSE) with or without enzymes. Some decide to go with

prescription anti-fungals such as Nystatin. If using both a probiotic

(or yogurt) and an anti-fungal, be sure to give them at separate

times in order to preserve the live beneficial bacteria.

>

>

>

> Recurring Yeast

>

>

>

> Hello,

> We have been SCD for about 7 months now, and I believe we are

still

> having major yeast problems. We have not been able to eat all of

the

> SCD legal things yet, but I am thinking of cutting out honey and

> trying to add things like eggs and the yogurt instead. Would

this be

> a viable thing? Or should I just cut way back on the honey? I

read

> an article from Great Plains Lab the other day that linked

children

> who had been vaccinated with MMR with an improper way to fight

off

> candida. The article stated that in essence, they could not

fight

> off candida at all, and it was a major cause of the onset of

celiac.

>

> Could it be that even a little sweets could keep the yeast from

> dying, even though all the other bacteria is getting better? Has

> anyone cut out all honey at the first of diet and seen good

results?

> Thanks!

>

> Tina

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

the following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

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My suggestion is to NEVER start two things at once.

If you have a reaction, you'll never be able to tell what caused it.

If you are wanting to try eggs again, just try them first since the

reaction is something you are familiar with and should be able

to recognize pretty quickly.

After you've figured out whether eggs are okay, then try the yogurt.

Jody

mom to -5 and -8

SCD 21 months

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Hi Tina,

> Should I go ahead and start trying eggs, while I am beginning the

> goat yogurt, or just wait until after I am established on the goat

> yogurt?

>

> Thanks,

> tina SCD with boys for 7 months very limited still

It would probably be a good idea to wait on the eggs until you are

adjusted to the yogurt. When introducing yogurt remember to start

small and gradually increase the amount. So, if very sensitive you

can start with 1/8 to 1/4 tsp and then skip a day or two. If all

goes well increase to 1/4 to 1/2 tsp on the third or fourth day.

Using the reaction to the yogurt as a guide you can continue at this

rate or if reacting with more die-off go slower.

To help with the yeast consider trying one of the antifungals that

Patti listed below. If you do decide to try them make sure that you

are giving the yogurt two hours apart from them so they don't kil

the beneficial bacteria. The carrot juice and gralic has been

reported to be highly sucessful. Also, reducing your honey until

the yeast is under control is a very good idea.

Sheila 45 mos SCD, 20 yrs UC

mom of SCD 30 mos

> > Tina, I'm reposting this message I had saved... plus, will send

a

> couple of others. -Patti :

> >

> >

******************************************************************

> > We do occasionally see yeast flare ups when starting SCD. This

> should be a temporary increase. As lots of pathogenic bacteria are

> the first to die off by not feeding them with starches and sugars,

> yeast will attempt to take up that empty space initially. By

giving

> either powerful homemade SCD yogurt or excellent probiotics, one

can

> *usually* avoid this situation.

> >

> > For those with yeast overgrowth...

> > " It is wise to cut back on honey ingestion at the beginning of

the

> dietary regimen (amount of honey in recipes should be decreased by

at

> least 75%). The amount

> > of honey may be increased as the condition improves. " (quote

taken

> from BTVC)

> >

> > We have found that using some form of probiotic is also helpful.

> Probiotics can take the form of yogurt (made from goat, cow or nut

> milk), other fermented foods (such as HOMEMADE sauerkraut or

kimchi)

> or probiotic powder or capsules (in case the child is not yet

ready

> for any yogurts).

> >

> > Ensuring that all vegetables and fruits foods are peeled and

cooked

> at the

> > beginning is also helpful in controlling yeast overgrowth.

> Undigested foods can feed microbes and delay healing.

> >

> > The use of anti-fungals may be necessary. Some natural anti-

fungals

> include:

> > homemade carrot juice and garlic, oil of oregano, grapefruit

seed

> extract (GSE) with or without enzymes. Some decide to go with

> prescription anti-fungals such as Nystatin. If using both a

probiotic

> (or yogurt) and an anti-fungal, be sure to give them at separate

> times in order to preserve the live beneficial bacteria.

> >

> >

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