Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Tina, I'm reposting this message I had saved... plus, will send a couple of others. -Patti : ****************************************************************** We do occasionally see yeast flare ups when starting SCD. This should be a temporary increase. As lots of pathogenic bacteria are the first to die off by not feeding them with starches and sugars, yeast will attempt to take up that empty space initially. By giving either powerful homemade SCD yogurt or excellent probiotics, one can *usually* avoid this situation. For those with yeast overgrowth... " It is wise to cut back on honey ingestion at the beginning of the dietary regimen (amount of honey in recipes should be decreased by at least 75%). The amount of honey may be increased as the condition improves. " (quote taken from BTVC) We have found that using some form of probiotic is also helpful. Probiotics can take the form of yogurt (made from goat, cow or nut milk), other fermented foods (such as HOMEMADE sauerkraut or kimchi) or probiotic powder or capsules (in case the child is not yet ready for any yogurts). Ensuring that all vegetables and fruits foods are peeled and cooked at the beginning is also helpful in controlling yeast overgrowth. Undigested foods can feed microbes and delay healing. The use of anti-fungals may be necessary. Some natural anti-fungals include: homemade carrot juice and garlic, oil of oregano, grapefruit seed extract (GSE) with or without enzymes. Some decide to go with prescription anti-fungals such as Nystatin. If using both a probiotic (or yogurt) and an anti-fungal, be sure to give them at separate times in order to preserve the live beneficial bacteria. Recurring Yeast Hello, We have been SCD for about 7 months now, and I believe we are still having major yeast problems. We have not been able to eat all of the SCD legal things yet, but I am thinking of cutting out honey and trying to add things like eggs and the yogurt instead. Would this be a viable thing? Or should I just cut way back on the honey? I read an article from Great Plains Lab the other day that linked children who had been vaccinated with MMR with an improper way to fight off candida. The article stated that in essence, they could not fight off candida at all, and it was a major cause of the onset of celiac. Could it be that even a little sweets could keep the yeast from dying, even though all the other bacteria is getting better? Has anyone cut out all honey at the first of diet and seen good results? Thanks! Tina For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Tina On the adult SCD board I frequent, there is a woman with a GI illness who was battling serious yeast problems. She cut out all dairy (incl. yogurt,) fruit, honey and mushrooms for a time. She also supplemented with raw garlic, grapefruit seed extract and legal acidiophilus supplements. The yeast seemed to abate some, but she had to be super vigilant with her supps. She just couldn't keep up with it, she ran out of GSE or garlic once and eating just wasn't enjoyable any more! Besides, the yeast problem didn't seem any better. She had a flare of D after eating some legal green chile stew and went back to intro and slowly added back in foods like one would at the very beginning. Her yeast problem seemed to go away. She described the experience as her body flushing everything out with the D and starting all over again. The D didn't really last very long either; a day or two I think. Perhaps doing a quick one/two day intro and starting all over again would help alot in this case. There isn't very much honey in the intro anyhoo. I have also had very tasty results baking and reducing the honey by half. Or you could stick to the cashew butter muffins or PB/banana pancakes; they are sweet enough without the honey. A week experiment might be worth it and it certainly can't hurt. I'd start giving probiotics right after intro though to really get that yeast out of there. Good luck!!! Chrystee > > Could it be that even a little sweets could keep the yeast from > dying, even though all the other bacteria is getting better? Has > anyone cut out all honey at the first of diet and seen good results? > Thanks! > > Tina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Patti, Should I go ahead and start trying eggs, while I am beginning the goat yogurt, or just wait until after I am established on the goat yogurt? Thanks, tina SCD with boys for 7 months very limited still > Tina, I'm reposting this message I had saved... plus, will send a couple of others. -Patti : > > ****************************************************************** > We do occasionally see yeast flare ups when starting SCD. This should be a temporary increase. As lots of pathogenic bacteria are the first to die off by not feeding them with starches and sugars, yeast will attempt to take up that empty space initially. By giving either powerful homemade SCD yogurt or excellent probiotics, one can *usually* avoid this situation. > > For those with yeast overgrowth... > " It is wise to cut back on honey ingestion at the beginning of the dietary regimen (amount of honey in recipes should be decreased by at least 75%). The amount > of honey may be increased as the condition improves. " (quote taken from BTVC) > > We have found that using some form of probiotic is also helpful. Probiotics can take the form of yogurt (made from goat, cow or nut milk), other fermented foods (such as HOMEMADE sauerkraut or kimchi) or probiotic powder or capsules (in case the child is not yet ready for any yogurts). > > Ensuring that all vegetables and fruits foods are peeled and cooked at the > beginning is also helpful in controlling yeast overgrowth. Undigested foods can feed microbes and delay healing. > > The use of anti-fungals may be necessary. Some natural anti-fungals include: > homemade carrot juice and garlic, oil of oregano, grapefruit seed extract (GSE) with or without enzymes. Some decide to go with prescription anti-fungals such as Nystatin. If using both a probiotic (or yogurt) and an anti-fungal, be sure to give them at separate times in order to preserve the live beneficial bacteria. > > > > Recurring Yeast > > > > Hello, > We have been SCD for about 7 months now, and I believe we are still > having major yeast problems. We have not been able to eat all of the > SCD legal things yet, but I am thinking of cutting out honey and > trying to add things like eggs and the yogurt instead. Would this be > a viable thing? Or should I just cut way back on the honey? I read > an article from Great Plains Lab the other day that linked children > who had been vaccinated with MMR with an improper way to fight off > candida. The article stated that in essence, they could not fight > off candida at all, and it was a major cause of the onset of celiac. > > Could it be that even a little sweets could keep the yeast from > dying, even though all the other bacteria is getting better? Has > anyone cut out all honey at the first of diet and seen good results? > Thanks! > > Tina > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 My suggestion is to NEVER start two things at once. If you have a reaction, you'll never be able to tell what caused it. If you are wanting to try eggs again, just try them first since the reaction is something you are familiar with and should be able to recognize pretty quickly. After you've figured out whether eggs are okay, then try the yogurt. Jody mom to -5 and -8 SCD 21 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Hi Tina, > Should I go ahead and start trying eggs, while I am beginning the > goat yogurt, or just wait until after I am established on the goat > yogurt? > > Thanks, > tina SCD with boys for 7 months very limited still It would probably be a good idea to wait on the eggs until you are adjusted to the yogurt. When introducing yogurt remember to start small and gradually increase the amount. So, if very sensitive you can start with 1/8 to 1/4 tsp and then skip a day or two. If all goes well increase to 1/4 to 1/2 tsp on the third or fourth day. Using the reaction to the yogurt as a guide you can continue at this rate or if reacting with more die-off go slower. To help with the yeast consider trying one of the antifungals that Patti listed below. If you do decide to try them make sure that you are giving the yogurt two hours apart from them so they don't kil the beneficial bacteria. The carrot juice and gralic has been reported to be highly sucessful. Also, reducing your honey until the yeast is under control is a very good idea. Sheila 45 mos SCD, 20 yrs UC mom of SCD 30 mos > > Tina, I'm reposting this message I had saved... plus, will send a > couple of others. -Patti : > > > > ****************************************************************** > > We do occasionally see yeast flare ups when starting SCD. This > should be a temporary increase. As lots of pathogenic bacteria are > the first to die off by not feeding them with starches and sugars, > yeast will attempt to take up that empty space initially. By giving > either powerful homemade SCD yogurt or excellent probiotics, one can > *usually* avoid this situation. > > > > For those with yeast overgrowth... > > " It is wise to cut back on honey ingestion at the beginning of the > dietary regimen (amount of honey in recipes should be decreased by at > least 75%). The amount > > of honey may be increased as the condition improves. " (quote taken > from BTVC) > > > > We have found that using some form of probiotic is also helpful. > Probiotics can take the form of yogurt (made from goat, cow or nut > milk), other fermented foods (such as HOMEMADE sauerkraut or kimchi) > or probiotic powder or capsules (in case the child is not yet ready > for any yogurts). > > > > Ensuring that all vegetables and fruits foods are peeled and cooked > at the > > beginning is also helpful in controlling yeast overgrowth. > Undigested foods can feed microbes and delay healing. > > > > The use of anti-fungals may be necessary. Some natural anti- fungals > include: > > homemade carrot juice and garlic, oil of oregano, grapefruit seed > extract (GSE) with or without enzymes. Some decide to go with > prescription anti-fungals such as Nystatin. If using both a probiotic > (or yogurt) and an anti-fungal, be sure to give them at separate > times in order to preserve the live beneficial bacteria. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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