Guest guest Posted March 17, 2000 Report Share Posted March 17, 2000 , I would say not to worry too much about the numbers on the thermometer. Just watch Holly's attitude and energy level. Let the fever do it's job. I know it's a hard thing to watch your little one go through a fever but think of it as her body working it's wonders! My husband is a chiropractor and we really do not treat fevers with baths, medication or otherwise. If we give our son anything at all it's something homeopathic and he's always been just fine. Just try to make sure she keeps nursing or drinking fluids and eating if she wants. I don't mean to make light of it but the fever really is serving a very important purpose and if you're working against it, it'll just end up taking longer for her to overcome it. Of course if you notice any unusual behavior from her or begin to feel that she just isn't right then I'd call your doctor again--but you're the best judge of that. I always feel worried and scared when Drake gets a fever just because 'you never know' but I just try to stay tuned into him and remember that his body is designed to be well and to be sick and to let it take care of itself. I know this isn't most people's philosophy but since you asked for ideas or suggestions I thought I'd share mine. Take care and hope Holly feels better soon. Fawn mom to Drake 8-18-98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2000 Report Share Posted March 17, 2000 In a message dated 18/03/00 2:08:38 AUS Eastern Daylight Time, Fawnf12@... writes: << I always feel worried and scared when Drake gets a fever just because 'you never know' but I just try to stay tuned into him and remember that his body is designed to be well and to be sick and to let it take care of itself. >> Thanks Fawn for your perspective...Holly has never been sick before so I just didn't know who to believe. I had thought that fever was a good thing to " burn out " the infection or whatever but I was worried about seizures and allmanner of other things...guess this is my next stage initiation into mommyhood..:-/ hollysmum@... Sydney, Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2000 Report Share Posted March 17, 2000 In a message dated 18/03/00 2:46:39 AUS Eastern Daylight Time, NatureBaby@... writes: << I would just nurse as much as possible and boost your own immune system. >> Thank you for that quick response and advice Wendi. I appreciate the feedback. I thought fevers were supposed to be a natural response of the body but worried about everything else (can you see I am a first time mom??) hollysmum@... Sydney, Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2000 Report Share Posted March 17, 2000 , Have you tried motrin? The dosage is 10-15mg per kilogram and it usually comes in 100mg in 5cc. You will be amazed at how quickly, and for how long, motrin reduces fevers. I have seen a lot of high fevers with viral illness, but motrin works wonders. Chantel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2000 Report Share Posted March 17, 2000 In a message dated 18/03/00 5:55:35 AUS Eastern Daylight Time, rnspu96@... writes: << Have you tried motrin? The dosage is 10-15mg per kilogram and it usually comes in 100mg in 5cc. You will be amazed at how quickly, and for how long, motrin reduces fevers. >> I live in Australia and that is not a familiar name to me. What is the active ingredient? Maybe we have it under a different name? hollysmum@... Sydney, Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2000 Report Share Posted March 17, 2000 , I personally don't treat fevers only if they get very uncomfortable will I do thing such as a cool bath etc. I don't really use fever reducers and don't worry about an illness that is mainly a fever so long as it doesn't spike up really rapidly. I would never give antibiotics without a culture for bacteria. I would just nurse as much as possible and boost your own immune system. Wendi http://www.lactivist.com breastfeeding info & resources High temps (OT) From: hollysmum@... Holly has had a high temp for over 30 hrs now...it comes down a bit (100F) from the peaks (103F) if I use paracetemol and tepid baths but goes straight back up. I took her to the dr yesterday who did nothing, called the hospital last night when it hot 103F and saw another dr today who prescribed a suspension penicillin for a " mildly inflamed " throat. She continues to breastfeed. Is there anything else I can do to manage her temp (or shouldn't I even try?) and how worried should I be? She is 11 mths and has never been sick before. She is still reasonably happy with a bit of clinginess and whining when the temp goes back up. hollysmum@... Sydney, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click./1/2121/0/_/410002/_/953345334/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed! http://www.lactivist.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2000 Report Share Posted March 18, 2000 ----- Original Message ----- I live in Australia and that is not a familiar name to me. What is the active ingredient? Maybe we have it under a different name? ibuprofen nak Liz SAHM to Connor 7 Tristan 4 and Makenna 1/7/00 http://members.aol.com/rosesgrow1/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2000 Report Share Posted March 18, 2000 In a message dated 18/03/00 11:48:14 AUS Eastern Daylight Time, Lizery@... writes: << ----- Original Message ----- I live in Australia and that is not a familiar name to me. What is the active ingredient? Maybe we have it under a different name? ibuprofen nak >> Thanks Liz hollysmum@... Sydney, Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2000 Report Share Posted March 18, 2000 I would just like to thank everyone for their views and advice on what to do about Holly's fever. I think I mainly needed to talk to someone about it because I am a first time mom and she had never been sick before. It was very interesting hearing about the different approaches. Today is day 3 and her temp is still raging. I have been letting her go while she is comfortable and I did end up getting some ibuprofen for when it got substantially higher and she was VERY miserable. She (and I) managed to get some sleep last night which I am sure was healing for both of us. Thank you all again for your quick and supportive responses. hollysmum@... Sydney, Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2000 Report Share Posted March 18, 2000 Chantel, It does work wonders but many feel that a fever is very effective for fighting the virus and often if you let the fever go the illness never really manifests because the child's body is able to rid it by fever alone, by reducing fever we often prolong our children's illnesses. Just my .02 Wendi http://www.lactivist.com breastfeeding info & resources Re: High temps (OT) From: rnspu96@... , Have you tried motrin? The dosage is 10-15mg per kilogram and it usually comes in 100mg in 5cc. You will be amazed at how quickly, and for how long, motrin reduces fevers. I have seen a lot of high fevers with viral illness, but motrin works wonders. Chantel ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click./1/2122/0/_/410002/_/953362513/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed! http://www.lactivist.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2000 Report Share Posted March 18, 2000 In a message dated 19/03/00 10:28:00 AUS Eastern Daylight Time, Lizery@... writes: << I just wanted to add something here. A lot of times when they is a fever present that is unexplained it could be a Urinary Tract Infection. CHildren do not display the same symptoms as adults. Maybe you should have a ped check her out. It can lead to kidney infections. My son has kidney reflux and a UTI can be very dangerous for him. >> When I went to see the dr they gave me those little baggies that are supposed to collect the urine so they coould test it. Well, both baggies were a failure for us so I am going to try to do the " catch the urine in the bottle " trick today (wish me luck!!) to see if I can get enough to test. hollysmum@... Sydney, Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2000 Report Share Posted March 18, 2000 I disagree with this. The fever is a symptom and a sign that the body is fighting an illness or infection but leaving the fever untreated will not make the virus go away any faster. In fact it can prolong it by weakening the child's resistance. Also, it just plain doesn't feel good. Another point to remember is that high fevers can damage the body and prolonged high fevers can even cause brain damage. JMHO ~Kris Wendi wrote: > > > Chantel, > > It does work wonders but many feel that a fever is very > effective for > fighting the virus and often if you let the fever go the > illness never > really manifests because the child's body is able to rid > it by fever alone, > by reducing fever we often prolong our children's > illnesses. Just my .02 > > Wendi > http://www.lactivist.com > breastfeeding info & resources > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2000 Report Share Posted March 18, 2000 Kris, I would suggest reading Raising a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor or Taking Charge of Your Child's Health. Actually only seriously high fevers (over 107 in children) can cause brain damage and only rapidly spiking fevers can cause febrile seizures. Fevers do not weaken a child's immune system, they are part of it. It comes down to a different way of thinking about the body. Wendi http://www.lactivist.com breastfeeding info & resources Re: High temps (OT) I disagree with this. The fever is a symptom and a sign that the body is fighting an illness or infection but leaving the fever untreated will not make the virus go away any faster. In fact it can prolong it by weakening the child's resistance. Also, it just plain doesn't feel good. Another point to remember is that high fevers can damage the body and prolonged high fevers can even cause brain damage. JMHO ~Kris Wendi wrote: > > > Chantel, > > It does work wonders but many feel that a fever is very > effective for > fighting the virus and often if you let the fever go the > illness never > really manifests because the child's body is able to rid > it by fever alone, > by reducing fever we often prolong our children's > illnesses. Just my .02 > > Wendi > http://www.lactivist.com > breastfeeding info & resources > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click./1/936/0/_/410002/_/953408694/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed! http://www.lactivist.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2000 Report Share Posted March 18, 2000 Hi Wendi, I doubt we'll ever come to a meeting of the minds on this. I presented my position because it was different from yours and I wanted to present both sides. For every book or expert you can quote to support your beliefs, there is a book or expert with the opposing viewpoint. The problem with using 107 as the magic number for a high fever is that it is arbitrary - unproven. It could be 108 or it could be 105 and it may vary by child. To me it is not worth the risk. I didn't say fevers weaken the immune system perse but they do weaken the child making it more difficult for their little bodies to fight the illness. On the other side of the coin there is a danger in treating the fever, the fever goes down, child feels better, parent thinks all is well when in reality there is an underlying cause left untreated. As you said in your second post, the main thing is find the cause of the fever and treat that. The most important thing is that we (and everyone on this list!) loves their children and are doing their best to care for them. Take care, ~Kris Wendi wrote: Kris, I would suggest reading Raising a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor or Taking Charge of Your Child's Health. Actually only seriously high fevers (over 107 in children) can cause brain damage and only rapidly spiking fevers can cause febrile seizures. Fevers do not weaken a child's immune system, they are part of it. It comes down to a different way of thinking about the body. Wendi http://www.lactivist.com breastfeeding info & resources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2000 Report Share Posted March 18, 2000 Kris, We will have to agree to disagree. I just wanted to clarify that I didn't think I stated that we need to find the cause of the fever and treat that. I don't feel that way. I believe that we need to support the body and that in turn it will be strong enough to deal with anything. I will treat it if I feel my children are seriously uncomfortable because like you said we love our children and are doing the best we can. I have been on both sides, having worked in the medical field and now having educated myself to alternative means and for me personally I find too many flaws in the medical thinking to trust it implicitly. I have just had to find alternate treatments because the conventional ones just don't set well with me. Each family is different so will find a different path. Its nice to be able to each speak our very different viewpoints respectfully and without lessening the list. Thanks for the healthy debate. Wendi http://www.lactivist.com breastfeeding info & resources -----Original Message-----From: Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 2:13 PMTo: breastfeedingonelistSubject: Re: High temps (OT) Hi Wendi, I doubt we'll ever come to a meeting of the minds on this. I presented my position because it was different from yours and I wanted to present both sides. For every book or expert you can quote to support your beliefs, there is a book or expert with the opposing viewpoint. The problem with using 107 as the magic number for a high fever is that it is arbitrary - unproven. It could be 108 or it could be 105 and it may vary by child. To me it is not worth the risk. I didn't say fevers weaken the immune system perse but they do weaken the child making it more difficult for their little bodies to fight the illness. On the other side of the coin there is a danger in treating the fever, the fever goes down, child feels better, parent thinks all is well when in reality there is an underlying cause left untreated. As you said in your second post, the main thing is find the cause of the fever and treat that. The most important thing is that we (and everyone on this list!) loves their children and are doing their best to care for them. Take care, ~Kris Wendi wrote: Kris, I would suggest reading Raising a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor or Taking Charge of Your Child's Health. Actually only seriously high fevers (over 107 in children) can cause brain damage and only rapidly spiking fevers can cause febrile seizures. Fevers do not weaken a child's immune system, they are part of it. It comes down to a different way of thinking about the body. Wendi http://www.lactivist.com breastfeeding info & resources Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2000 Report Share Posted March 18, 2000 Sorry Wendi. I misread the statement from the book: ""More important in determining whether a fever is the result of a mild infection like the common cold, or a more serious one such as meningitis, is the overall appearance, behavior, and attitude of your child." I took that to mean that it was important to find the cause of the fever. I do agree with you that parents shouldn't trust their doctors blindly. It is important to understand and choose the best care for your child. I personally am lucky in having a *very* supportive doctor who is up on the latest and places value on the breastfeeding relationship and alternative care choices. I grew up with an RN mom who studied nutrition and alternative care extensively. She was 's disease at a time when doctors said "no treatment". She found her own treatment and insisted on it - proved them all wrong - lived to 58. (They told her maybe 25). I think its important to have a doctor you trust but to also learn all you can and try alternatives when needed. I'm new to this list but I like that all opinions and choices are respected. Cheers, ~Kris Wendi wrote: Kris,We will have to agree to disagree. I just wanted to clarify that I didn't think I stated that we need to find the cause of the fever and treat that. I don't feel that way. I believe that we need to support the body and that in turn it will be strong enough to deal with anything. I will treat it if I feel my children are seriously uncomfortable because like you said we love our children and are doing the best we can. I have been on both sides, having worked in the medical field and now having educated myself to alternative means and for me personally I find too many flaws in the medical thinking to trust it implicitly. I have just had to find alternate treatments because the conventional ones just don't set well with me. Each family is different so will find a different path. Its nice to be able to each speak our very different viewpoints respectfully and without lessening the list. Thanks for the healthy debate. Wendi http://www.lactivist.com breastfeeding info & resources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2000 Report Share Posted March 18, 2000 , So glad that you were able to find a balance that worked for you among the various responses. That is what a list like this is all about. If we can all give our different perspectives we each can pick and choose what sits well with us. Thank you all for participating and making this list great. Here's hoping Holly is feeling better quick. Wendi http://www.lactivist.com breastfeeding info & resources Re: High temps (OT) From: hollysmum@... I would just like to thank everyone for their views and advice on what to do about Holly's fever. I think I mainly needed to talk to someone about it because I am a first time mom and she had never been sick before. It was very interesting hearing about the different approaches. Today is day 3 and her temp is still raging. I have been letting her go while she is comfortable and I did end up getting some ibuprofen for when it got substantially higher and she was VERY miserable. She (and I) managed to get some sleep last night which I am sure was healing for both of us. Thank you all again for your quick and supportive responses. hollysmum@... Sydney, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click./1/2122/0/_/410002/_/953421143/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed! http://www.lactivist.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2000 Report Share Posted March 18, 2000 <>Today is day 3 and her temp is still raging. I have been letting her go while she is comfortable and I did end up getting some ibuprofen for when it got substantially higher and she was VERY miserable. She (and I) managed to get some sleep last night which I am sure was healing for both of us. <> I just wanted to add something here. A lot of times when they is a fever present that is unexplained it could be a Urinary Tract Infection. CHildren do not display the same symptoms as adults. Maybe you should have a ped check her out. It can lead to kidney infections. My son has kidney reflux and a UTI can be very dangerous for him. Liz SAHM to Connor 7 Tristan 4 and Makenna 1/7/00 http://members.aol.com/rosesgrow1/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2000 Report Share Posted March 18, 2000 <> " catch the urine in the bottle " trick today (wish me luck!!) to see if I can get enough to test.<> Oh good : ) It can be tough to get a clean catch, they always had to catheterize my son : ( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2000 Report Share Posted March 20, 2000 My pedi, recommends that I dont give any tylenol unless the fever is higher then 103 becasue it does prolong the illness, but he does not want a fever to get higher then 103. the fever is fighting the ilness, if you lower the fever, it does prolong the illness(unless its higher then 103) Beckie ---------- > > To: breastfeedingonelist > Subject: Re: High temps (OT) > Date: Saturday, March 18, 2000 11:48 AM > > > > I disagree with this. The fever is a symptom and a sign that > the body is fighting an illness or infection but leaving the > fever untreated will not make the virus go away any faster. > In fact it can prolong it by weakening the child's > resistance. Also, it just plain doesn't feel good. > Another point to remember is that high fevers can damage the > body and prolonged high fevers can even cause brain damage. > JMHO ~Kris > > Wendi wrote: > > > > > > > Chantel, > > > > It does work wonders but many feel that a fever is very > > effective for > > fighting the virus and often if you let the fever go the > > illness never > > really manifests because the child's body is able to rid > > it by fever alone, > > by reducing fever we often prolong our children's > > illnesses. Just my .02 > > > > Wendi > > http://www.lactivist.com > > breastfeeding info & resources > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click./1/936/0/_/410002/_/953408694/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed! > http://www.lactivist.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2000 Report Share Posted March 20, 2000 Beckie, This is not necessarily true. For every ped. that believes what yours does, there is probably one who believes otherwise. There are many theories about this, but I have yet to come across the kind of research that proves either side. And your ped. has chosen 103 as his magic number, others say 102 or 104. Margaret > > > My pedi, recommends that I dont give any tylenol unless the fever is higher > then 103 becasue it does prolong the illness, but he does not want a fever > to get higher then 103. the fever is fighting the ilness, if you lower the > fever, it does prolong the illness(unless its higher then 103) > > Beckie > > ---------- > > > > To: breastfeedingonelist > > Subject: Re: High temps (OT) > > Date: Saturday, March 18, 2000 11:48 AM > > > > > > > > I disagree with this. The fever is a symptom and a sign that > > the body is fighting an illness or infection but leaving the > > fever untreated will not make the virus go away any faster. > > In fact it can prolong it by weakening the child's > > resistance. Also, it just plain doesn't feel good. > > Another point to remember is that high fevers can damage the > > body and prolonged high fevers can even cause brain damage. > > JMHO ~Kris > > > > Wendi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Chantel, > > > > > > It does work wonders but many feel that a fever is very > > > effective for > > > fighting the virus and often if you let the fever go the > > > illness never > > > really manifests because the child's body is able to rid > > > it by fever alone, > > > by reducing fever we often prolong our children's > > > illnesses. Just my .02 > > > > > > Wendi > > > http://www.lactivist.com > > > breastfeeding info & resources > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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