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Patty, The same is true for me with cutting back on gluten-type

grains. I've noticed that my skin looks better overall when I stick

with rice, corn and buckwheat. I wonder if we have a variation of

celiac sprue?

Matija

> >

> > hello everyone,

> >

> > i am thinking about cutting out carbos from my diet,

> > as i am already on a no dairy and no alcohol diet and

> > now want to extend it further. the thing is, i'm not

> > really sure what the carbohydrates are. i know that

> > bread and pasta comes under it, but what else?

> >

> > can anyone give a good general list of carbohydrates

> > to avoid?

> >

> > and in response to the aggressive messages that have

> > been going around, i'd just like to say that if i

> > hadn't found this group i would be in much more

> > terrible state right now, both physically and

> > psychologically. not one thing that any of us has to

> > say is any less or more important than the next

> > person's. i look at each person's message with such

> > gratitude that my simple words of thanks here could

> > not do you justice.

> >

> > thank you so much, each and every one of you, i hope

> > you're all doing okay.

> >

> > poppyxx

> >

> > __________________________________________________

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Matija:

You should definately go to the celiac disease web page. They list all

non-gluten foods and great ideas for gluten substitutes. If you just

type in celiac you will find loads of ideas.

Definately let me know if you improve or not. Try not to eat any new

strange things for the first 3 days - like those non-gluten breads and

cookies. You may react to them since they have unusual ingredients.

Just cut out the wheat rye oats and barley if you can. Then later you

could experiment with gluten free packaged products.

Healthfood stores have tons of gluten free products from bread to

cookies. pastas, and crackers. I tend to not even eat those since I

avoid packaged foods.

Actually, I follow a very simple whole foods diet. Very minimal

packaged foods and only fast food once in a blue moon, and dairy is very

minimal, too. A great wheat substitute is to simply have some rice

instead. I love rice with olive oil and salt on it. White rice,

basmati, wild rice. There are non-gluten breads in stores, but they all

have strange leavening ingredients that make me flare. There are rice

noodles you can buy at healthfood stores. Dont overcook them or they

get mushy. There is something called Polenta. Its a corn product that

you cut kind of like those cookies in the refrigerator section and fry

(they are not sweet, though). You can also get millet and cook it

like rice. It reminds me of cous cous.

For me the rice, corn, and millet are enough because I also eat lots of

veggies, meats, eggs, oils, seeds, and certain kinds of fruits. Getting

the bread out allowed room for the stuff that is actually good for me:)

Here is a good story to remember when avoiding foods bad for you:

My husband wanted taco bell for dinner tonight, so on the way home I

stopped at the taco bell and got him his burritos. I then stopped at

the grocery store at the corner and got myself a bag of grapes, an

expensive steak, and some red bell peppers to toss on the grill with my

yummy steak. Sure it takes time to cook (a whole 10 minutes), but its

sooo worth it:)

Patty

MARCHEFALO@... wrote:

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> Patty,

> When you have time could you post or reply on what products you have

> substituted for the wheat/gluten. I know this is a big request so If you do

> not want to or have the time - no big deal.

>

> Marla

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Marla: oops! I accidently called you Matija. Sorry! Patty

MARCHEFALO@... wrote:

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> Patty,

> When you have time could you post or reply on what products you have

> substituted for the wheat/gluten. I know this is a big request so If you do

> not want to or have the time - no big deal.

>

> Marla

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Hi all,

I too notice that I am more flushish after a day of high carbo

consumption. Especially breads. This is always just a feeling I have

had about carbo's. However I have never delibrately gone off wheat,

rye, oats, barley to see what the effect is. However, after reading

these posts I am going to do it. I will give it a go and focus on

raw foods, rice, corn etc and see what happens. I will report back

to the group in 7 days.

T

> > > >

> > > > hello everyone,

> > > >

> > > > i am thinking about cutting out carbos from my

> > > diet,

> > > > as i am already on a no dairy and no alcohol diet

> > > and

> > > > now want to extend it further. the thing is, i'm

> > > not

> > > > really sure what the carbohydrates are. i know

> > > that

> > > > bread and pasta comes under it, but what else?

> > > >

> > > > can anyone give a good general list of

> > > carbohydrates

> > > > to avoid?

> > > >

> > > > and in response to the aggressive messages that

> > > have

> > > > been going around, i'd just like to say that if i

> > > > hadn't found this group i would be in much more

> > > > terrible state right now, both physically and

> > > > psychologically. not one thing that any of us has

> > > to

> > > > say is any less or more important than the next

> > > > person's. i look at each person's message with

> > > such

> > > > gratitude that my simple words of thanks here

> > > could

> > > > not do you justice.

> > > >

> > > > thank you so much, each and every one of you, i

> > > hope

> > > > you're all doing okay.

> > > >

> > > > poppyxx

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >

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In a message dated 6/15/00 9:30:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time

artist@... (and Artist) writes:

<<Maybe some in the group could go off of gluten grains for 3-4 days and

report any improvement. Anybody want to try? You would have to eat

regularly, except no wheat, rye, oats, or barley (this includes crackers,

bread, muffins, cookies, . . .

anything containing those grains). Its not hard. You just eat more

rice and corn. Anyone willing to try?>>

Patty,

I was on a diet like this for about 6 months. It didnt improve

anything. I eat wheat and sugar products and Im doing fine. The diet/gluten

free angle doesnt always work and can be hell to follow. I feel we all reach

a point where we know what to stay away from without living in fear that we

will react to a certain food.

Bill

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