Re: ASD Intro diet and beyond - honey question

[Guest guest]

Because of the yeast issues I have not given my son anything sweet at

all this last 5 weeks. All he has had has been coooked pear. What

then about the honey? Is that ok already or is that too soon?

Kathrine

mom to Kristoffer ASD - SCD 5 weeks, GFCF 4 ,5 months

> You can find the nut yogurt recipe here:

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> http://www.pecanbread.com/recipes.html

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> Jody

> mom to -5 and -8

> SCD 19 months

[Guest guest]

" Because of the yeast issues I have not given my son anything

sweet at all this last 5 weeks. All he has had has been coooked

pear. What then about the honey? Is that ok already or is that too

soon? "

Kathrine,

My guess would be that he is probably not getting enough carbs.

What have you been feeding him for the last 5 weeks?

If you are referring to the honey in the yogurt... it is there for the

bacteria to eat during the fermentation. Like the lactose in milk...

the bacteria need " food " to multiply. So, the honey should be

consumed during the fermentation process just as the lactose is

consumed when making dairy based yogurt.

Jody

mom to -5 and -8

SCD 19 months

[Guest guest]

Copying this from a statement we posted some time ago:

The list moderators have put their heads together in the past week to pull

together all the information we have, together with the experiences of many of

the SCD families, and the advice of Elaine Gottschall, in order to come up with

a clear statement on the issue of yeast. Here's what we've come up with. It will

be posted on the website for newcomers and future reference. We do want to

stress that it would be mistaken to say that SCD makes yeast worse in general...

or in the long run.... but, only that it can become an issue at first.

Hopefully, this will make the reasons a little clearer. Thanks to everyone who

gave their input. Here's the statement:

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We do occasionally see yeast flare ups when starting SCD. This should be a

temporary increase. As lots of pathogenic bacteria are the first to die off by

not feeding them with starches and sugars, yeast will attempt to take up that

empty space initially. By giving either powerful homemade SCD yogurt or

excellent probiotics, one can *usually* avoid this situation.

For those with yeast overgrowth...

" It is wise to cut back on honey ingestion at the beginning of the dietary

regimen (amount of honey in recipes should be decreased by at least 75%). The

amount

of honey may be increased as the condition improves. " (quote taken from BTVC)

We have found that using some form of probiotic is also helpful. Probiotics can

take the form of yogurt (made from goat, cow or nut milk), other fermented foods

(such as HOMEMADE sauerkraut or kimchi) or probiotic powder or capsules (in case

the child is not yet ready for any yogurts).

Ensuring that all vegetables and fruits foods are peeled and cooked at the

beginning is also helpful in controlling yeast overgrowth. Undigested foods can

feed microbes and delay healing.

The use of anti-fungals may be necessary. Some natural anti-fungals include:

homemade carrot juice and garlic, oil of oregano, grapefruit seed extract (GSE)

with or without enzymes. Some decide to go with prescription anti-fungals such

as Nystatin. If using both a probiotic (or yogurt) and an anti-fungal, be sure

to give them at separate times in order to preserve the live beneficial

bacteria.

Re: ASD Intro diet and beyond - honey question

Because of the yeast issues I have not given my son anything sweet at

all this last 5 weeks. All he has had has been coooked pear. What

then about the honey? Is that ok already or is that too soon?

Kathrine

mom to Kristoffer ASD - SCD 5 weeks, GFCF 4 ,5 months

[Guest guest]

Hi Jody,

I have been giving him the following:

eggs (any style)

meat - chicken, pork, beef, lamb cooked from raw unprepared state

suger peas, string green beans and spinach and squash (green)

pear.

Recently I have introduced raw advocado, cooked peach and cooked

aspargus.

I am noting everything down in our journal and so far we have had

5 " trophies " (firm stools) in the last 10 days. See " up thread " for

other improvements.

Am I still too low in carbos?

> " Because of the yeast issues I have not given my son anything

> sweet at all this last 5 weeks. All he has had has been coooked

> pear. What then about the honey? Is that ok already or is that

too

> soon? "

>

> Kathrine,

>

> My guess would be that he is probably not getting enough carbs.

> What have you been feeding him for the last 5 weeks?

>

> If you are referring to the honey in the yogurt... it is there for

the

> bacteria to eat during the fermentation. Like the lactose in

milk...

> the bacteria need " food " to multiply. So, the honey should be

> consumed during the fermentation process just as the lactose is

> consumed when making dairy based yogurt.

>

>

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -8

> SCD 19 months

[Guest guest]

" Am I still too low in carbos? "

That would depend on the amount of peaches and avocado.

For example...

I chicken breast

1 peach

1 avocado

would have a very different amount of carbs than

2 chicken breass

1/4 peach

1/4 avocado

I really have to know the amount of each food eaten at each meal

to determine the overall carb/fat/protein intake.

Fitday.com is a great website for doing those calculations.

Jody

mom to -5 and -8

SCD 19 months