Re: Andy and Others:Shall I keep on DMSA chelation now?

[Guest guest]

I'd like to add: Our DMSA dosage was 25mgX6=150mg/day. My son is 22kg.

Dan

> Dear Andy and Other Postmates,

> Below is DDI¡¯s hair elements report(6/10/03) of my son(7 yr old)

and

> his 24-hr urine elements results taken on the 3rd " On " day of 1st

> round (12/14/03)and 2nd " ON " day of 3rd round(12/29/03).

> We are in Beijing,China and have to do DMSA chelation all by

> ourselves, for no doctor supports my insistence on chelation.

>

> My question is: Shall I keep on chelation, as more good things are

> coming out than the bad ones? I¡¯m seeking yr help and try to make

a

> decision.Thank you very much in advance.

> The blood tests were taken for DMSA challenge on Sept. 2002.

>

> 1. DDI REPORT OF 6/10/2003(AFTER TAKING SUPPLEMENTS,CILANTRO

> EXTRACT,MT,ETC. OCCASSIONALLY FOR 2 YRS )

> POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color

> =============================================

> aluminum 7.6 <8 GREEN

> antimony 0.069 <0.066 YELLOW

> arsenic 0.24 <0.08 RED

> beryllium <0.01 <0.02

> bismuth 0.17 <0.12 YELLOW

> cadmium 0.083 <0.15 GREEN

> lead 6 <1 RED

> mercury 0.71 <0.4 YELLOW

> platinum <0.003 <0.005

> thallium <0.002 <0.01 GREEN

> thorium <0.001 <0.005

> uranium 0.12<0.06 YELLOW

> nickel 0.15 <0.4 GREEN

> silver 0.03<0.2 GREEN

> tin 0.2 <0.3 GREEN

> titanium 0.57 <1 GREEN

>

> ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color under/over 50%

> ============================================================

> Calcium 259 160-500 GREEN UNDER 50%

> Magnesium 23 12-50 GREEN UNDER 50%

> Sodium 57 12-90 GREEN OVER 50%

> Potassium 140 10-40 YELLOW OVER 50%

> Copper 8.3 9-30 YELLOW UNDER 50%

> Zinc 110 110-190 GREEN UNDER 50%

> Manganese 0.52 0.18-0.6 GREEN OVER 50%

> Chromium 0.32 0.23-0.5 WHITE OVER 50%

> Vanadium 0.033 0.025-0.1 GREEN UNDER 50%

> Molybdenum 0.096 0.04-0.089 YELLOW OVER 50%

> Boron 2 0.5-3.5 GREEN OVER 50%

> Iodine 16 0.25-1.3 RED OVER 50%

> Lithium 0.008 0.007-0.023 GREEN UNDER 50%

> Phosphorus 230 160-250 GREEN OVER 50%

> Selenium 1 0.95-1.7 GREEN UNDER 50%

> Strontium 0.85 0.21-2.1 WHITE OVER 50%

> Sulfur 42300 45500-53000 YELLOWUNDER 50%

> Barium 0.9 0.19-1.6 GREEN OVER 50%

> Cobalt 0.011 0.013-0.035 YELLOW UNDER 50%

> Iron 9.2 6-17 WHITE OVER 50%

> Germanium 0.056 0.045-0.065 WHITE OVER 50%

> Rubidium 0.3 0.008-0.08 YELLOW OVER 50%

> Zirconium 0.03 0.06-0.7 YELLOW UNDER 50%

>

> 2. 24 Hr Urine elements reports

>

> 24-hour Urine 1st and 3rd Round of DMSA Chelation

> Sample of 3rd " ON " date Sample of 2nd " ON " date

> Elements 1st Round (A) 3rd Round ( (B)/(A)

> Lithium(Li) 35.05 44.8 1.28

> Vanadium(V) 0.65

> Mg 121.9ug/ml

> Silicon(Si) 2.13 0.00

> Ca 25.05 0.00

> Scandium(Sc)

> Molybdenum(Mo) 0.39 279.3 716.15

> Chromium(Cr) 0.01 10.2 1020.00

> Mn 5.78

> Fe 0.27 0.00

> Cobalt(Co) 0.34 0.59 1.74

> Germanium(Ge) 0.02 1.96 98.00

> Cu 0.49 25 51.02

> Zn 17.8 1138.5 63.96

> Rubidium(Rb) 53.1 5176.6 97.49

> Strontium(Sr) 8.65 247.1 28.57

> Boron( 6.32 0.00

> Zirconium(Zr)

> Nicle(Ni) 0.16 3.47 21.69

> Thorium(Th) 0.89 0.00

> Cadmium(Cd) 0.01 1.22 122.00

> Stannun(Sn) 1.51 0.00

> Lead(Pb) 13.78 9.76 0.71

> Uranium(U) 0.07 0.14 2.00

> Titanium(Ti) 0.14 0.00

> Arsenic(As) 23

> Gallium(Ga) 0.05 0.28 5.60

> Niobium(Nb) 0.12

> Ruthenium(Ru)

> Indium(In) 0.04 0.00

> Yttrium(Y)

> Palladium£¨Pd)

> Cerium(Ce) 0.31 0.00

> Ba 29.75 6.28 0.21

> Tl 0.34 0.82 2.41

> Bi 0.26

> W 0.16

> Ta 0.21

> Be 0.06

> Ag 1.59

> Cs 4.16 16.2 3.89

> Al 0.06 0.00

> Br 51.7 0.00

> Sb 0.05 0.00

> Te 0.11 0.00

> La 0.21 0.00

> Hg 0.75 0.00

>

> 3. Comparison of Blood Test Results Before and After DMSA

Provocation

> Elements before provocation(9/16/02) provocative test after

taking

> 170mg DMSA for 1 day(9/20/02)

> (ng/ml)(1) DMSA a day before(ng/ml)(2) (2)/(1)

>

> Lithium(Li) 2.68 5.68 2.119403

> Vanadium(V) 134.8 217.4 1.61276

> Mg 23160 20550 0.887306

> Silicon(Si) 1410 1600 1.134752

> Ca 99160 94040 0.948366

> Scandium(Sc) 5.84 6.32 1.082192

> Molybdenum(Mo) 2.36 1.24 0.525424

> Chromium(Cr) 33.4 49.92 1.494611

> Mn 1.28 4.88 3.8125

> Fe 2907.2 1760 0.605394

> Cobalt(Co) 0.6 0.84 1.4

> Germanium(Ge) 1.64 0.76 0.463415

> Cu 1080 1100 1.018519

> Zn 744.4 742.4 0.997313

> Rubidium(Rb) 308.8 438.2 1.419041

> Strontium(Sr) 35.9 48.76 1.358217

> Boron( 0 4.08 showed

> Zirconium(Zr) 1.48 11.44 7.72973

> Nicle(Ni) 5.52 4.76 0.862319

> Thorium(Th) 0 0.08 showed

> Cadmium(Cd) 0 0.52 showed

> Stannun(Sn) 0 0.04 showed

> Lead(Pb) 0 6.96 showed

> Uranium(U) 0 0.08 showed

> Titanium(Ti) 307 241.8 0.787622

> Arsenic(As) 46.24 219.1 4.73832

> Gallium(Ga) 1 56.72 56.72

> Niobium(Nb) 0.48 0.12 0.25

> Ruthenium(Ru) 0.04 0

> Indium(In) 0.08 0.2 2.5

> Yttrium(Y) 0 0.2 showed

> Palladium£¨Pd) 0 0.2 showed

> Cerium(Ce) 0 0.65 showed

>

> Looking forward to yr reply.

> Dan

[Guest guest]

Blood and urine levels are known to be irrelevant, see the recent

editions of standard medical texts like Cecil's and on's.

Challenge tests are really not diagnostically useful or relevant

either.

The hair test shows nice orderly mineral transport, suggesting that the

toxic elements may well represtend what is going on, and

> arsenic 0.24 <0.08 RED

but even more especially

> lead 6 <1 RED

are the kinds of results that suggest chelation may well be very

helpful.

Andy . . . .

[Guest guest]

Dear Andy,

Thanks so much for yr reply.

Do you mean to say that blood and urine tests are useless and not

necessary any more? Then from where lead ,arsenic and so on are

coming out? What do the high levels of Mg, Zinc,Rb in the 3rd round

urine test imply? Does this mean many minerals are chelated out by

DMSA instead of our targeted heavy metals like lead and arsenic? Is

it possible that our targeted lead and arsenic can not be easily

chelated,or can be chelated but after the good trace minerals?

Sorry for so many questions. But I have to persuade other family

members. They are worrying about side effects.

Looking forward to yr help.

Dan

> Blood and urine levels are known to be irrelevant, see the recent

> editions of standard medical texts like Cecil's and on's.

>

> Challenge tests are really not diagnostically useful or relevant

> either.

>

> The hair test shows nice orderly mineral transport, suggesting that

the

> toxic elements may well represtend what is going on, and

>

> > arsenic 0.24 <0.08 RED

>

> but even more especially

>

> > lead 6 <1 RED

>

> are the kinds of results that suggest chelation may well be very

> helpful.

>

> Andy . . . .

[Guest guest]

I don't know the answer to your question, but I would like to comment on a

different issue. I am not sure, that DMSA will chelate arsenic. I always thought

you need ALA for this.

Dagmar.

[ ] Re: Andy and Others:Shall I keep on DMSA chelation

now?

Dear Andy,

Thanks so much for yr reply.

Do you mean to say that blood and urine tests are useless and not

necessary any more? Then from where lead ,arsenic and so on are

coming out? What do the high levels of Mg, Zinc,Rb in the 3rd round

urine test imply? Does this mean many minerals are chelated out by

DMSA instead of our targeted heavy metals like lead and arsenic? Is

it possible that our targeted lead and arsenic can not be easily

chelated,or can be chelated but after the good trace minerals?

Sorry for so many questions. But I have to persuade other family

members. They are worrying about side effects.

Looking forward to yr help.

Dan

[Guest guest]

> Dear Andy and Other Postmates,

> Below is DDI¡¯s hair elements report(6/10/03) of my son(7 yr old) and

> his 24-hr urine elements results taken on the 3rd " On " day of 1st

> round (12/14/03)and 2nd " ON " day of 3rd round(12/29/03).

> We are in Beijing,China and have to do DMSA chelation all by

> ourselves, for no doctor supports my insistence on chelation.

>

> My question is: Shall I keep on chelation,

yes, based on the lead and arsenic on this hair test, chelation

with DMSA and ALA is likely to be beneficial.

> as more good things are

> coming out than the bad ones?

based on hair test, not based on what is coming out.

good wishes,

Moria

I¡¯m seeking yr help and try to make a

> decision.Thank you very much in advance.

> The blood tests were taken for DMSA challenge on Sept. 2002.

>

> 1. DDI REPORT OF 6/10/2003(AFTER TAKING SUPPLEMENTS,CILANTRO

> EXTRACT,MT,ETC. OCCASSIONALLY FOR 2 YRS )

> POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color

> =============================================

> aluminum 7.6 <8 GREEN

> antimony 0.069 <0.066 YELLOW

> arsenic 0.24 <0.08 RED

> beryllium <0.01 <0.02

> bismuth 0.17 <0.12 YELLOW

> cadmium 0.083 <0.15 GREEN

> lead 6 <1 RED

> mercury 0.71 <0.4 YELLOW

> platinum <0.003 <0.005

> thallium <0.002 <0.01 GREEN

> thorium <0.001 <0.005

> uranium 0.12<0.06 YELLOW

> nickel 0.15 <0.4 GREEN

> silver 0.03<0.2 GREEN

> tin 0.2 <0.3 GREEN

> titanium 0.57 <1 GREEN

>

> ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color under/over 50%

> ============================================================

> Calcium 259 160-500 GREEN UNDER 50%

> Magnesium 23 12-50 GREEN UNDER 50%

> Sodium 57 12-90 GREEN OVER 50%

> Potassium 140 10-40 YELLOW OVER 50%

> Copper 8.3 9-30 YELLOW UNDER 50%

> Zinc 110 110-190 GREEN UNDER 50%

> Manganese 0.52 0.18-0.6 GREEN OVER 50%

> Chromium 0.32 0.23-0.5 WHITE OVER 50%

> Vanadium 0.033 0.025-0.1 GREEN UNDER 50%

> Molybdenum 0.096 0.04-0.089 YELLOW OVER 50%

> Boron 2 0.5-3.5 GREEN OVER 50%

> Iodine 16 0.25-1.3 RED OVER 50%

> Lithium 0.008 0.007-0.023 GREEN UNDER 50%

> Phosphorus 230 160-250 GREEN OVER 50%

> Selenium 1 0.95-1.7 GREEN UNDER 50%

> Strontium 0.85 0.21-2.1 WHITE OVER 50%

> Sulfur 42300 45500-53000 YELLOWUNDER 50%

> Barium 0.9 0.19-1.6 GREEN OVER 50%

> Cobalt 0.011 0.013-0.035 YELLOW UNDER 50%

> Iron 9.2 6-17 WHITE OVER 50%

> Germanium 0.056 0.045-0.065 WHITE OVER 50%

> Rubidium 0.3 0.008-0.08 YELLOW OVER 50%

> Zirconium 0.03 0.06-0.7 YELLOW UNDER 50%

>

> 2. 24 Hr Urine elements reports

>

> 24-hour Urine 1st and 3rd Round of DMSA Chelation

> Sample of 3rd " ON " date Sample of 2nd " ON " date

> Elements 1st Round (A) 3rd Round ( (B)/(A)

> Lithium(Li) 35.05 44.8

1.28

> Vanadium(V) 0.65

> Mg 121.9ug/ml

> Silicon(Si) 2.13

0.00

> Ca 25.05

0.00

> Scandium(Sc)

> Molybdenum(Mo) 0.39 279.3

716.15

> Chromium(Cr) 0.01 10.2

1020.00

> Mn 5.78

> Fe 0.27

0.00

> Cobalt(Co) 0.34 0.59

1.74

> Germanium(Ge) 0.02 1.96

98.00

> Cu 0.49 25

51.02

> Zn 17.8 1138.5

63.96

> Rubidium(Rb) 53.1 5176.6

97.49

> Strontium(Sr) 8.65 247.1

28.57

> Boron( 6.32

0.00

> Zirconium(Zr)

> Nicle(Ni) 0.16 3.47

21.69

> Thorium(Th) 0.89

0.00

> Cadmium(Cd) 0.01 1.22

122.00

> Stannun(Sn) 1.51

0.00

> Lead(Pb) 13.78 9.76

0.71

> Uranium(U) 0.07 0.14

2.00

> Titanium(Ti) 0.14

0.00

> Arsenic(As) 23

> Gallium(Ga) 0.05 0.28

5.60

> Niobium(Nb) 0.12

> Ruthenium(Ru)

> Indium(In) 0.04

0.00

> Yttrium(Y)

> Palladium£¨Pd)

> Cerium(Ce) 0.31

0.00

> Ba 29.75 6.28

0.21

> Tl 0.34 0.82

2.41

> Bi 0.26

> W 0.16

> Ta 0.21

> Be 0.06

> Ag 1.59

> Cs 4.16 16.2

3.89

> Al 0.06

0.00

> Br 51.7

0.00

> Sb 0.05

0.00

> Te 0.11

0.00

> La 0.21

0.00

> Hg 0.75

0.00

>

> 3. Comparison of Blood Test Results Before and After DMSA Provocation

> Elements before provocation(9/16/02) provocative test after taking

> 170mg DMSA for 1 day(9/20/02)

> (ng/ml)(1) DMSA a day before(ng/ml)(2) (2)/(1)

>

> Lithium(Li) 2.68 5.68

2.119403

> Vanadium(V) 134.8 217.4

1.61276

> Mg 23160 20550

0.887306

> Silicon(Si) 1410 1600

1.134752

> Ca 99160 94040

0.948366

> Scandium(Sc) 5.84 6.32

1.082192

> Molybdenum(Mo) 2.36 1.24

0.525424

> Chromium(Cr) 33.4 49.92

1.494611

> Mn 1.28 4.88

3.8125

> Fe 2907.2 1760

0.605394

> Cobalt(Co) 0.6 0.84

1.4

> Germanium(Ge) 1.64 0.76

0.463415

> Cu 1080 1100

1.018519

> Zn 744.4 742.4

0.997313

> Rubidium(Rb) 308.8 438.2

1.419041

> Strontium(Sr) 35.9 48.76

1.358217

> Boron( 0 4.08

showed

> Zirconium(Zr) 1.48 11.44

7.72973

> Nicle(Ni) 5.52 4.76

0.862319

> Thorium(Th) 0 0.08

showed

> Cadmium(Cd) 0 0.52

showed

> Stannun(Sn) 0 0.04

showed

> Lead(Pb) 0 6.96

showed

> Uranium(U) 0 0.08

showed

> Titanium(Ti) 307 241.8

0.787622

> Arsenic(As) 46.24 219.1

4.73832

> Gallium(Ga) 1 56.72

56.72

> Niobium(Nb) 0.48 0.12

0.25

> Ruthenium(Ru) 0.04

0

> Indium(In) 0.08 0.2

2.5

> Yttrium(Y) 0 0.2

showed

> Palladium£¨Pd) 0 0.2

showed

> Cerium(Ce) 0 0.65

showed

>

> Looking forward to yr reply.

> Dan