Re: SCD: Day 9: 2nd Set Of Issues... Please help...

[Guest guest]

,

At only 9 days SCD, I think the things you're seeing are probably die-off

related. I'm thrilled to hear that he's at least eating now, though I'm sure you

would like to see some progress. I think there's a good chance you may see

improvement in the reflux once you start the enzymes. Here's something I wanted

you to read, though. I'm reposting something we posted a little while back about

yeast. I'm thinking the red ring you are seeing on his bottom is usually an

indicator of that..... am I right? Anyway,.... this would be good for you to

read. I'll try to come up with some more ideas. -Patti (re-post on yeast is

below)

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We do occasionally see yeast flare ups when starting SCD. This should be a

temporary increase. As lots of pathogenic bacteria are the first to die off by

not feeding them with starches and sugars, yeast will attempt to take up that

empty space initially. By giving either powerful homemade SCD yogurt or

excellent probiotics, one can *usually* avoid this situation.

For those with yeast overgrowth...

" It is wise to cut back on honey ingestion at the beginning of the dietary

regimen (amount of honey in recipes should be decreased by at least 75%). The

amount

of honey may be increased as the condition improves. " (quote taken from BTVC)

We have found that using some form of probiotic is also helpful. Probiotics can

take the form of yogurt (made from goat, cow or nut milk), other fermented foods

(such as HOMEMADE sauerkraut or kimchi) or probiotic powder or capsules (in case

the child is not yet ready for any yogurts).

Ensuring that all vegetables and fruits foods are peeled and cooked at the

beginning is also helpful in controlling yeast overgrowth. Undigested foods can

feed microbes and delay healing.

The use of anti-fungals may be necessary. Some natural anti-fungals include:

homemade carrot juice and garlic, oil of oregano, grapefruit seed extract (GSE)

with or without enzymes. Some decide to go with prescription anti-fungals such

as Nystatin. If using both a probiotic (or yogurt) and an anti-fungal, be sure

to give them at separate times in order to preserve the live beneficial

bacteria.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> we then introduced a pineapple juice/lime

> juice/vinegar/garlic/salt/pepper marinade for his chicken. he was

> eating 7-8 peices of this chicken a day.

>

> we also added in pearsauce. he had been eating about 28 oz of

> pearsauce in the earlier days(without any other spices added).

>

> we then started adding pureed carrot into his pearsauce. we are

now

> at 1/2 carrots 1/2 pear sauce. he still eats about 28 oz of this

in

> a day.

>

> we have been giving him about a tablespoon of nut yogurt a day

(made

> with cashews and custom probiotics yogurt starter).

> 1) jake gets upset just before he poops. on tuesday and today when

> his ABA tutor arrived, he was in the fussiest mood!!! he has never

> been this upset... even on his first day of ABA. he pooped during

> both sessions, and today his tutor said it was as though a door

had

> opened, and he was much more co-operative. has anyone else

> experienced this?

This sounds like the die-off that many parents have gone through

with their children.

> 2) we have noticed a real regression in his skills since starting

> SCD. i am not sure if this is the intial effects of SCD, if it is

> the stoppage of his supplements, or both. i have been noticing

> frothy diapers & a red ring around his anus, so i know we are

having

> a die off effect.

This also sometimes happens with kids when starting the diet. Some

epsom salt baths and/or activated charcoal may help relieve soem of

these symptoms until he is over the worst of it.

another thing i have noticed is " sand " in his

> diaper from the pearsauce. is this caused by maldigestion of it?

he

> has been pretty gassy, do you think there is a link?

Not likely. It is more probable that it is from the change in diet,

many parents have reported changes in stol color texture and

frequency after starting the diet.

Here's a quote from Elaine, " Yes, I believe that Dr. Shaw is

probably correct in attributing this sand to something to do with

bile. Many Mothers, before starting the diet, would tell me the

stool contained SAND and I could only speculate that it had to do

with bacterial action on bile acids. "

> 3) as you can see, his diet is really limited. we are trying to

> introduce new foods slowly. we are working up to him eating

carrots

> by themselves, but it has been a slow process. his OT tried to

give

> them to him plain yesterday & his reaction was as if he had been

> poisoned. my question is... since we have been seeing frothy

> diapers, do we need to stay at stage 1 foods? what is a good rule

of

> thumb? my husband seems in a hurry to add nut butters, but i am

not

> sure what to do. do we need to wait until we have " trophies "

before

> we progress?

You don't have to wait until you see trophies, but it maybe better

to try nut butters before nut flour. You really want to wait at

least a while untill the frequency of bm's has decreased (if you are

starting with a lot of diarrhea.)

> 4) question about yogurt. it was mentioned that we should start

with

> tablespoon & work up... but does that apply only to the goat's

> yogurt? can i give him large quantities of nut yogurt? will it

> help/harm?

Actually we generally advise to start small 1/8 to 1/4 tsp of yogurt

especially if the child is still adjusting to the diet. The yogurt

*probably* won't harm but it will likely increase die-off symptoms.

We suggest going slow so that the body can adjust.

>

> 5) acid-reflux & sleep: also, jake seems to have an increase in

acid

> reflux. we aren't sure what could be causing it. he is waking

> frequently in the night, but while on GFCF he was sleeping like a

log

> (before GFCF he woke 6-8 times a night). any ideas on what might

> cause this? how we might treat it?

Could be another die-off symptom. The epsom salt/activated charcoal

may help. Please check out this recent thread

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/message/19217

>

Sheila 42 mos SCD, 20 yrs UC

mom of SCD 27 mos

[Guest guest]

sheila,

thank you so much for your message. my son was just finishing a

total meltdown(which he has **NEVER** done before), and commented

that we have lost all progress, and regressed to level pre-gfcf.

he blames it on the diet, and from his tone, i can tell that he is

hoping we are going to stop it. i am tired of the constant

battling, but feel like this is the best route for us to take.

thanks for the info. about the sand. i thought it was from the

pears. it is good to know that there is some die-off taking place.

thanks again.

shannon.

> Hi ,

>

> > we then introduced a pineapple juice/lime

> > juice/vinegar/garlic/salt/pepper marinade for his chicken. he

was

> > eating 7-8 peices of this chicken a day.

> >

> > we also added in pearsauce. he had been eating about 28 oz of

> > pearsauce in the earlier days(without any other spices added).

> >

> > we then started adding pureed carrot into his pearsauce. we are

> now

> > at 1/2 carrots 1/2 pear sauce. he still eats about 28 oz of this

> in

> > a day.

> >

> > we have been giving him about a tablespoon of nut yogurt a day

> (made

> > with cashews and custom probiotics yogurt starter).

>

> > 1) jake gets upset just before he poops. on tuesday and today

when

> > his ABA tutor arrived, he was in the fussiest mood!!! he has

never

> > been this upset... even on his first day of ABA. he pooped

during

> > both sessions, and today his tutor said it was as though a door

> had

> > opened, and he was much more co-operative. has anyone else

> > experienced this?

>

> This sounds like the die-off that many parents have gone through

> with their children.

>

> > 2) we have noticed a real regression in his skills since

starting

> > SCD. i am not sure if this is the intial effects of SCD, if it

is

> > the stoppage of his supplements, or both. i have been noticing

> > frothy diapers & a red ring around his anus, so i know we are

> having

> > a die off effect.

>

> This also sometimes happens with kids when starting the diet.

Some

> epsom salt baths and/or activated charcoal may help relieve soem

of

> these symptoms until he is over the worst of it.

>

> another thing i have noticed is " sand " in his

> > diaper from the pearsauce. is this caused by maldigestion of it?

> he

> > has been pretty gassy, do you think there is a link?

>

> Not likely. It is more probable that it is from the change in

diet,

> many parents have reported changes in stol color texture and

> frequency after starting the diet.

> Here's a quote from Elaine, " Yes, I believe that Dr. Shaw is

> probably correct in attributing this sand to something to do with

> bile. Many Mothers, before starting the diet, would tell me the

> stool contained SAND and I could only speculate that it had to do

> with bacterial action on bile acids. "

>

>

> > 3) as you can see, his diet is really limited. we are trying to

> > introduce new foods slowly. we are working up to him eating

> carrots

> > by themselves, but it has been a slow process. his OT tried to

> give

> > them to him plain yesterday & his reaction was as if he had been

> > poisoned. my question is... since we have been seeing frothy

> > diapers, do we need to stay at stage 1 foods? what is a good

rule

> of

> > thumb? my husband seems in a hurry to add nut butters, but i am

> not

> > sure what to do. do we need to wait until we have " trophies "

> before

> > we progress?

>

> You don't have to wait until you see trophies, but it maybe better

> to try nut butters before nut flour. You really want to wait at

> least a while untill the frequency of bm's has decreased (if you

are

> starting with a lot of diarrhea.)

>

>

> > 4) question about yogurt. it was mentioned that we should start

> with

> > tablespoon & work up... but does that apply only to the goat's

> > yogurt? can i give him large quantities of nut yogurt? will it

> > help/harm?

>

> Actually we generally advise to start small 1/8 to 1/4 tsp of

yogurt

> especially if the child is still adjusting to the diet. The

yogurt

> *probably* won't harm but it will likely increase die-off

symptoms.

> We suggest going slow so that the body can adjust.

> >

> > 5) acid-reflux & sleep: also, jake seems to have an increase in

> acid

> > reflux. we aren't sure what could be causing it. he is waking

> > frequently in the night, but while on GFCF he was sleeping like

a

> log

> > (before GFCF he woke 6-8 times a night). any ideas on what might

> > cause this? how we might treat it?

>

> Could be another die-off symptom. The epsom salt/activated

charcoal

> may help. Please check out this recent thread

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/message/19217

> >

> Sheila 42 mos SCD, 20 yrs UC

> mom of SCD 27 mos

[Guest guest]

, Things often get worse before they get better...... hang in there.

This healing stuff is HARD work.

Patti

Re: SCD: Day 9: 2nd Set Of Issues... Please help...

sheila,

thank you so much for your message. my son was just finishing a

total meltdown(which he has **NEVER** done before), and commented

that we have lost all progress, and regressed to level pre-gfcf.

he blames it on the diet, and from his tone, i can tell that he is

hoping we are going to stop it. i am tired of the constant

battling, but feel like this is the best route for us to take.

thanks for the info. about the sand. i thought it was from the

pears. it is good to know that there is some die-off taking place.

thanks again.

shannon.