Re: EMSAT and Soliciting

July 13, 2005

And, I might add, he is not NREMT certified either. That has been

checked.

July 13, 2005

My name is and I am currently the Vice-President of EMSAT.

I have not been hiding but I have been listening to what people have to say.

I would like to say that I truly respect everybodies opinions on this list

server. We have Texas Sons and Daughters fighting and dying this very minute

to protect that right. I gave 6 years of my life to Uncle Sam to defend it

and I also have a son who has been in the Navy for 6 years and he is about

to make way again to defend that right for us. When I took the position on

the EMSAT Board I gave my word to the members that I would do everything in

my powers to make this organization grow and help lead EMS into the future.

Is there a future for EMSAT? I think there is because I and my fellow board

members have a passion for EMS and we are not quitters. I am open to any

suggestions, ideas, or even complaints that anyone may have but I ask that

you either e-mail me privately or just call me on my cell

(24/7). I am here and I will listen with respect to what you have to say.

These are just my thoughts and thank you for your time.

" GOD BLESS TEXAS "

FF/LP

Vice-President EMSAT

Re: EMSAT and Soliciting

> Lawerence,

>

> You are so right.

>

> EMS eat their Young.

I hear this refrain over, and over, and over, and each time I hear it

it rings less and less true. I don't think that EMS eats their young

- in fact, I think that EMS folks tolerate a lot more business-related

BS than other folks do. I think it's that many in EMS have " hero

syndrome " and think that they should somehow be more above reproach

than " others " in other fields of business/work.

Try working in a high tech field doing project management, development

or technical design. You talk about constant criticism, reproach and

rudeness... you've seen NOTHING like it in EMS - that I can guarantee

you. But, what happens is that schedules get firmer, plans get more

solid, and designs get more reliable and stable.

As an analogous story, judaic tradition teaches that there are two

ways to make things holy - to cleanse them with fire or to utterly

destroy them with fire. There's often a fine line... and EMS folks

seem to be afraid of fire in general.

Why is EMSAT failing? Because like most in EMS, they're afraid of

true criticism and respond defensively to any such attempt at

purifying their work. Why is there no real support? Because to

support them is to open yourself up to criticism. The folks that are

WORKING with EMSAT are trying to do the right thing, but I believe

genuinely lack the tools (and background) to accept criticism and use

it constructively - and this is evidenced by things staying the same

through constant criticism (web site, intro packets, communications) -

all of these things have been problems since day one, and to attempt

to address those problems has brought ostracism.

It's clear that EMSAT in its current form is not going to be cleansed

by fire - it's time for it to be utterly destroyed. Then and only

then - when there's again NOTHING to support EMS in Texas - will we

onced again have a suitable starting point for unifying EMS in Texas.

Mike :/

July 13, 2005

Mike Hatfield could you contact me privately

FF/LP

EMSAT Vice-President

Re: Re: EMSAT and Soliciting

Hatfield, are you still a dues paying member?

Tom

PS I found this written by you over a year ago:

Having been perceived as the critic of EMSAT in the

past, I feel the need to

state my case and say that I have gone from 'critic'

to 'somewhat cynical',

though approaching with an open mind. I am a dues

paying member of EMSAT and

have been for the past 2 years. I am opinionated, and

don't fear voicing my

opinion in a relatively diplomatic way. For many on

this list, and many who

are not on the list but knowledgable of EMSAT, there

were in the past many

reasons to NOT suport EMSAT. I had some of my own, but

after the last

election; most were gone.

I have disagreed with some of the positions that the

board has taken in the

past, but I also realize that the intent behind their

decisions was for the

betterment of Texas EMS in general. That said, I have

also had numerous

conversations, both in person, via telephone and email

with many of the

board members themselves, and come away with a

different pserspective. The

current board members are more receptive than some in

the past, their goals

are more precise than some of those in the past.

EMSAT does need numbers, it's not the money per se, it

is the numbers. The

35.00 doesn't go far, it does help offset some of the

expenses of running

the operation day to day. But to approach a politician

and say, " We are

here, and we represent 50K pissed of Texans " , tends to

get a bit more

attention.

Gene has done an excellent job of putting forth more

information since the

last election, the web site has improved 110%,

position papers have been

posted, and Gene will on occasion post here with the

lastest and greatest

information from EMSAT.

I want you to join, but not solely to get your money,

I want you to join, so

that we can move forward together, so that not only

will you share the

responsibility, but so that you will also share in the

feeling of

achievement when things go right.

All I have ever asked is that the board be open, and

make decisons based

upon what is best for EMS, to date, the current board

has done that.

Am I still cynical? Sure, but less and less each day.

Am I still

opinionated? LOL, oh yeah. WIll I join again next

year? Yeah, no doubt about

it.

I don't want to push you off the fence, I just want to

help you off on the

right side....

If I can help in any way, email me privately.

Mike hatfield

July 13, 2005

Al,

I've known you for several years and appreciate what you've done for EMS in

Texas, whether on EMSAT or TEMSF. Please also accept my thanks for both you and

your son's service to our country.

However, I must respectfully exercise my rights guaranteed under both the

United States and Texas Constitutions to disagree with you. The Texas EMS list

is all about discussing Texas EMS, including EMSAT. I'm a bit troubled by your

suggestion that people contact you privately rather than using the list. As you

know, I'm happy to contact anyone privately, but I believe that discussions

regarding the future of Texas EMS and EMSAT are best discussed in public, where

all people, not just a select few, have the ability to participate. If I say so

myself, these public discussions on the list have brought several issues

regarding EMSAT to the Board's attention. While I know that you and the EMSAT

Board *ARE* responsive, the previous issues with previous EMSAT leadership

working behind closed doors shows just how important this public forum is for

bringing problems forward.

Again, thank you for your service to our nation and Texas. Please pass along

my best wishes to your son for a safe deployment and return to Texas.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT

Austin, Texas

EMSAT member