Re: wheat and dairy link to autistic behaviors

November 7, 2003

Kari - read either Shaw or McCandless's books. But in a nutshell, many of

these kids are unable to fully digest gluten (grain protein) and casein (dairy

protein), in fact, in Dr. 's book, Special Diets for Special Kids, she

talks about how these undigested proteins (gluten and casein) break down to a

morphine like level. Yes, there are some kids that get high on foods. She

along

with Shaw and McCandless mention that other culprits can be soy and corn. I

know that when I took my son off the offending foods, stims drastically

reduced. It takes a long time to get all of this stuff out of their system.

McCandless mentions about 8 months to clear out of body.

Kath

November 8, 2003

Unfortunately, this does not hold true for all autistic kids. For those that

it does work for, the diet is nothing short of miraculous. However, some kids

have different problems and the gfcf diet does not affect them. Try it for 6

months, 100% - if things don't change, cross it off your list and go on to

something else.

> Autistic children with this problem don't fully digest the gluten

> and casein proteins which then form opiates in their bodies. They

> actually get a " high " from certain foods. (I actually watched my

> then 4 year old son get " drunk " on pizza after being gfcf for 6

> months.) Opiates are addicting and food producing opiates are no

> exception. When you eliminate the foods there is often a period of

> withdrawal (for us it was about 3 weeks) where EVERYTHING gets

> worse! But, in the long run, it is SO WORTH IT! After 3 years of

> gfcf I had a son who went from special ed and little hope for his

> future to a near normal kid. Sure was much easier to parent the

> latter version of him too after the withdrawal period and

> improvements.

>

> Deborah

November 8, 2003

Or try digestive enyzmes instead <A

HREF= " www.enzymestuff.com " >www.enzymestuff.com</A> We are off this diet

2.5 yeasr with HNI enzymes and with far more impovements

> Unfortunately, this does not hold true for all autistic kids. For those

> that

> it does work for, the diet is nothing short of miraculous. However, some

> kids

> have different problems and the gfcf diet does not affect them. Try it for 6

>

> months, 100% - if things don't change, cross it off your list and go on to

> something else.

>

November 8, 2003

Autistic children with this problem don't fully digest the gluten

and casein proteins which then form opiates in their bodies. They

actually get a " high " from certain foods. (I actually watched my

then 4 year old son get " drunk " on pizza after being gfcf for 6

months.) Opiates are addicting and food producing opiates are no

exception. When you eliminate the foods there is often a period of

withdrawal (for us it was about 3 weeks) where EVERYTHING gets

worse! But, in the long run, it is SO WORTH IT! After 3 years of

gfcf I had a son who went from special ed and little hope for his

future to a near normal kid. Sure was much easier to parent the

latter version of him too after the withdrawal period and

improvements.

Deborah

> I'm sure this is pretty basic, but was wondering what is the

scientific meaning behind having problems with wheat and/or dairy?

Something to do with how the body has problems processing certain

proteins? And is it true, that sometimes these children almost

develop a type of craving for these foods? My friend's son who

stims and show's Asperger symptoms is insanely obsessed with carbs.

He almost gets shakey for them. He is 10 years old. I am also very

concerned about him becoming diabetic at this rate.

> His mom is open to ideas, so any input would be greatly

appreciated. And have any of you had to pull the carb plug on a

child seeming obsessed with carbs? Can't imagine it would be a

pretty picture. He is in special classes and all, but have to

wonder how much of this might be linked to his dietary consumption.

> Thanks,

> Kari

>

November 8, 2003

2-3 years? You are likely to see improvements in any case in 2-3 years.

By then you'd be so used to doing the GFCF that coming off it would be very

hard.

We did the GFCF for 3 years and then started with the houston enzymes. I

still don't give gluten because we are low-carb anyway, but we do use raw goat's

milk and/or yogurt made from that same milk (but obviously it is heated so it

is not raw when it is yoghurt, although it is hydrolysed from the lactic acid

bacteria). Anyway, I see no difference between when we did the gfcf and

now, using the enzymes. he continues to improve at the same rate and he

continues to have phenol issues -- which No Fenol helps with but does not

totally

eradicate.

Cow's milk is probably going to be problematic however you try it, but goat's

milk doesn't have the same protein structure so some people might manage with

that. Here in England you can buy buffalo milk, which is an A2 strain of

milk. Some people might be able to use that but I don't bother because you

cannot buy it raw and, anyway, I like the goats' milk. Of course, there is no

reason to insist on using milk at all if that is your choice and if you don't

want to mess with the enzymes (which are tricky to start for many, and/or are

not always tolerated). GFCF is fine as long as you watch the sugar and starch

intake.

Marti

November 8, 2003

--- In , " Kari Trautman " <karitrautman@e...>

wrote:

> I'm sure this is pretty basic, but was wondering what is the scientific

meaning behind having problems with wheat and/or dairy?

Something to do with how the body has problems processing certain proteins?

Inability to digest proteins is a common problem for autistic kids.

>>And is it true, that sometimes these children almost develop a type of craving

for these foods?

Yes.

>> My friend's son who stims and show's Asperger symptoms is insanely obsessed

with carbs.

This sounds like a yeast problem. Carbs feed yeast

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

http://www.pecanbread.com/

Dana

November 8, 2003

Are you saying this child went from no eye contact and no language -- not

even able to sign -- to normal eye contact and normal language in 6 months?

How

old is he?

marti

November 8, 2003

I would not limit efforts on GFCF to a six month trial. The latest

research from Reichelt et al. presented at the 2003 DAN! Conference

showed benefit being seen in the second and third year of the diet.

Also, enzymes (papain and bromelain, etc.) do not scavenge all

gliadimorphin or caseimorphin from the blood stream. Without sounding

harsh, I believe the only reason NOT to do the GFCF diet is if you are

trying a different dietary intervention such as the specific

carbohydrate diet.

God Bless!

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behaviors

Or try digestive enyzmes instead <A

HREF= " www.enzymestuff.com " >www.enzymestuff.com</A> We are off this diet

2.5 yeasr with HNI enzymes and with far more impovements

> Unfortunately, this does not hold true for all autistic kids. For

> those

> that

> it does work for, the diet is nothing short of miraculous. However,

some

> kids

> have different problems and the gfcf diet does not affect them. Try it

for 6

>

> months, 100% - if things don't change, cross it off your list and go

> on to

> something else.

>

November 8, 2003

often I find those that say the diet doesn't work for had other things other

then just gluten and casein that need to come out. for example soy or corn are

big ones. we wouldn't have seen the big results we had with out taking out

rice, addressing yeast issues, supplements for things that were off. there are

tests that are out there to help you optimize your results with the diet, I

encourage all parents to use them. I have a live example and I hope she jumps

in to write something personal, but I ran into a mother who tried the diet for

a year and didn't see results with it. I showed her my son and told her how far

he had come in just 6 months and encouraged her to have some testing done

through our dr. and then retry the diet based on what she tested for. we had

her do a couple of things

OATS test through great plains lab- this was to test for yeast, bacteria,

vitamin levels that were off ect

IGE test - to see if other foods were a problem other then just gluten and

casein

IGG test- to also see what foods were getting through the gut and irritating her

son so she knew what to rotate out

comprehensive stool analysis- again for yeast, bacteria and parasites

hair metal tests and eventually a challenge DMSA test- to see if there are metal

issues that need to be addressed

what she found out from all this testing is that when she did the diet before

all the food she was feeding her son was ALL stuff he still had issues with so

he never saw anything get better

NOW- she is seeing speech improvement, eye contact improvement and we worked out

a rotation for her and the school is seeing huge improvements. all in less then

a month. so testing does pay off. I know there are people on here that don't

think it is important or that it's allot of money but to see the changes,

quicker and know what is really going on in there body is SOOO important. she

found out her kids body couldn't make certain vitamins or create things his body

needed from what he was taking in. and also that he was celiac and that taking

him off the diet was hurting his body. she has been able to address other gut

issues that will improve his health for the rest of his life to.......

I am now working as a consultant for parents to help implement the Childs diet,

for rotation, figuring out what tests need to be done for your child based on

what issues they are having, and for meal planning. it has gone from a helpful

hobby to next month being a source of income for a stay at home mom. I have had

4 certified nutritionalist and dietitians tell me with the studies I have done

with my sons issues that I have learned more then they were taught in classes

and that they can't help me!!!! please explore other food issues as well before

EVER giving up this diet. so many parents have lost the benefits there child

can possibly get out of this diet by not looking into ALL things possible ALL

the way!!!

christel king

wee3kings@...

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