Hi, Please help me..Need advice on and guidance..

[Guest guest]

hi, Im so confused trying to read these results and trying to

understand what they mean.Please help me...They are for my daughter,

she is 7.5 years old, DDI lab performed the test on Hair..Thanks so

much for any help or suggestions, should I have anyother tests done..

Machaela is low functioning-hearing impaired. let me know if any

other info is needed. We really need help.

Toxic Element Result Range color

aluminum 6.7 < 8.0 green

antimony 0.039 < 0.066 green

arsenic 0.023 < 0.06 green

beryllium <0.01 < 0.02 no color

bismuth 0.038 < 0.12 green

cadmium 0.55 < 0.1 red

lead 0.3 < 1.0 green

mercury 1.3 < 0.4 yellow

platinum < 0.003 < 0.005 no color

thallium < 0.001 < 0.01 no color

thorium 0.001 < 0.005 green

uranium 0.017 < 0.06 green

nickel 0.32 < 0.4 green

silver 0.29 < 0.16 yellow

tin 0.33 < 0.3 red

titanium 2.5 < 1.0 red

Element Result Range Color percentile

Calcium 1910 250 - 800 red over 50%

Magnesium 230 25 - 90 yellow over 50%

Sodium 12 12 - 90 green under 50%

Potassium 5.0 7.0 - 40 yellow under 50%

Copper 58 12 - 35 yellow over 50%

Zinc 220 120 - 220 green over 50%

Manganese 0.22 0.18 - 0.6 green under 50%

Chromium 0.19 0.23 - 0.45 yellow under 50%

Vanadium 0.024 0.025 - 0.1 yellow under 50%

Molybdenum 0.059 0.037 - 0.083 green over 50%

Boron 2.8 0.3 - 1.7 yellow over 50%

Iodine 2.0 0.25 - 1.3 yellow over 50%

Lithium 0.009 0.007 - 0.023 green under 50%

Phosphorus 275 160 - 250 yellow over 50%

Selenium 1.2 0.95 - 1.7 white middle

Strontium 41 0.37 - 3.6 red over 50%

Sulfur 47800 45500 - 53000 white middle

Barium 1.7 0.21 - 1.9 green over 50%

Cobalt 0.15 0.013 - 0.05 yellow over 50%

Iron 12 6.0 - 17 green over 50%

Germanium 0.029 0.045 - 0.065 yellow under 50%

Rubidium 0.011 0.008 - 0.08 green under 50%

Zirconium 0.29 0.03 - 0.4 green over 50%

Ratio

Elements Ratios Expectd range

ca/mg 8.3 4 - 30

ca/p 6.95 1 - 12

na/k 2.4 0.5 - 10

zn/cu 3.79 4 - 20

zn/cd 400 > 800

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Using " the counting rules: from:

/files/HOW_TO_hair_test

rule1: over 50%: 13: normal

rule2: in red (either end): 2: normal

rule3: in green/white only: 11: abnormal

This means there is a strong possibility that your child

is mercury toxic.

Her copper is in yellow on the right. How far over is it?

If it is close to red, I would consider it a possible issue.

Otherwise I guess I'd not be concerned.

The red (high) on cadmium, tin and titanium are also a

concern.

Personally, the next test I would suggest is a trial of

chelation.

best,

Moria

--- In , " zoelle1995 " <rashikino@n...>

wrote:

> hi, Im so confused trying to read these results and trying to

> understand what they mean.Please help me...They are for my daughter,

> she is 7.5 years old, DDI lab performed the test on Hair..Thanks so

> much for any help or suggestions, should I have anyother tests done..

> Machaela is low functioning-hearing impaired. let me know if any

> other info is needed. We really need help.

>

>

> Toxic Element Result Range color

> aluminum 6.7 < 8.0 green

> antimony 0.039 < 0.066 green

> arsenic 0.023 < 0.06 green

> beryllium <0.01 < 0.02 no color

> bismuth 0.038 < 0.12 green

> cadmium 0.55 < 0.1 red

> lead 0.3 < 1.0 green

> mercury 1.3 < 0.4 yellow

> platinum < 0.003 < 0.005 no color

> thallium < 0.001 < 0.01 no color

> thorium 0.001 < 0.005 green

> uranium 0.017 < 0.06 green

> nickel 0.32 < 0.4 green

> silver 0.29 < 0.16 yellow

> tin 0.33 < 0.3 red

> titanium 2.5 < 1.0 red

>

> Element Result Range Color percentile

> Calcium 1910 250 - 800 red over 50%

> Magnesium 230 25 - 90 yellow over 50%

> Sodium 12 12 - 90 green under 50%

> Potassium 5.0 7.0 - 40 yellow under 50%

> Copper 58 12 - 35 yellow over 50%

> Zinc 220 120 - 220 green over 50%

> Manganese 0.22 0.18 - 0.6 green under 50%

> Chromium 0.19 0.23 - 0.45 yellow under 50%

> Vanadium 0.024 0.025 - 0.1 yellow under 50%

> Molybdenum 0.059 0.037 - 0.083 green over 50%

> Boron 2.8 0.3 - 1.7 yellow over 50%

> Iodine 2.0 0.25 - 1.3 yellow over 50%

> Lithium 0.009 0.007 - 0.023 green under 50%

> Phosphorus 275 160 - 250 yellow over 50%

> Selenium 1.2 0.95 - 1.7 white middle

> Strontium 41 0.37 - 3.6 red over 50%

> Sulfur 47800 45500 - 53000 white middle

> Barium 1.7 0.21 - 1.9 green over 50%

> Cobalt 0.15 0.013 - 0.05 yellow over 50%

> Iron 12 6.0 - 17 green over 50%

> Germanium 0.029 0.045 - 0.065 yellow under 50%

> Rubidium 0.011 0.008 - 0.08 green under 50%

> Zirconium 0.29 0.03 - 0.4 green over 50%

>

> Ratio

> Elements Ratios Expectd range

> ca/mg 8.3 4 - 30

> ca/p 6.95 1 - 12

> na/k 2.4 0.5 - 10

> zn/cu 3.79 4 - 20

> zn/cd 400 > 800

[Guest guest]

,

even though because of abnormal metal transport from mercury toxicity

the values for other toxic metals in the test may not reflect the

actual situation, I would try zinc supplementation in addition to

chelation because of high copper and cadmium (and you need to

supplement zinc during chelation anyway). I would also try to avoid

eating any food from cans which are source of tin, and avoid titanium

(when I read food labels carefully I notice that titanium dioxide is

added to a lot of foods (candies, oatmeal, pizza, cakes etc.) as

preservative. I hope you will see improvement from chelation!

Good luck,

Margaret

> > hi, Im so confused trying to read these results and trying to

> > understand what they mean.Please help me...They are for my

daughter,

> > she is 7.5 years old, DDI lab performed the test on Hair..Thanks

so

> > much for any help or suggestions, should I have anyother tests

done..

> > Machaela is low functioning-hearing impaired. let me know if any

> > other info is needed. We really need help.

> >

> >

> > Toxic Element Result Range color

> > aluminum 6.7 < 8.0 green

> > antimony 0.039 < 0.066 green

> > arsenic 0.023 < 0.06 green

> > beryllium <0.01 < 0.02 no color

> > bismuth 0.038 < 0.12 green

> > cadmium 0.55 < 0.1 red

> > lead 0.3 < 1.0 green

> > mercury 1.3 < 0.4 yellow

> > platinum < 0.003 < 0.005 no color

> > thallium < 0.001 < 0.01 no color

> > thorium 0.001 < 0.005 green

> > uranium 0.017 < 0.06 green

> > nickel 0.32 < 0.4 green

> > silver 0.29 < 0.16 yellow

> > tin 0.33 < 0.3 red

> > titanium 2.5 < 1.0 red

> >

> > Element Result Range Color percentile

> > Calcium 1910 250 - 800 red over 50%

> > Magnesium 230 25 - 90 yellow over 50%

> > Sodium 12 12 - 90 green under 50%

> > Potassium 5.0 7.0 - 40 yellow under 50%

> > Copper 58 12 - 35 yellow over 50%

> > Zinc 220 120 - 220 green over 50%

> > Manganese 0.22 0.18 - 0.6 green under 50%

> > Chromium 0.19 0.23 - 0.45 yellow under 50%

> > Vanadium 0.024 0.025 - 0.1 yellow under 50%

> > Molybdenum 0.059 0.037 - 0.083 green over 50%

> > Boron 2.8 0.3 - 1.7 yellow over 50%

> > Iodine 2.0 0.25 - 1.3 yellow over 50%

> > Lithium 0.009 0.007 - 0.023 green under 50%

> > Phosphorus 275 160 - 250 yellow over 50%

> > Selenium 1.2 0.95 - 1.7 white middle

> > Strontium 41 0.37 - 3.6 red over 50%

> > Sulfur 47800 45500 - 53000 white middle

> > Barium 1.7 0.21 - 1.9 green over 50%

> > Cobalt 0.15 0.013 - 0.05 yellow over 50%

> > Iron 12 6.0 - 17 green over 50%

> > Germanium 0.029 0.045 - 0.065 yellow under 50%

> > Rubidium 0.011 0.008 - 0.08 green under 50%

> > Zirconium 0.29 0.03 - 0.4 green over 50%

> >

> > Ratio

> > Elements Ratios Expectd range

> > ca/mg 8.3 4 - 30

> > ca/p 6.95 1 - 12

> > na/k 2.4 0.5 - 10

> > zn/cu 3.79 4 - 20

> > zn/cd 400 > 800

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for the reply, I just started giving her zinc

supplement last week..She weighs 60 pounds how much would you suggest

I give to her..I was very surpised about the titanium also, I will ck

for the additive, I left the report at home but I will check on the

copper, if it is close to the red is there something else I should do?

Im am going to start chelating if she is 60 pds how much should I

give her and should I use both ala and dmsa? on 3 days off 11? Also

why the high Cadmiun? Her Magnesium seems so high, I am supplementing

magnesium but is it to much and why would the Strontium be so high I

dont even know what this is..I know I have so many questions but I

just want to make sure I am reading things correctly and doing what

may be best for her..since she will be 8 in July I have started late.

she is also non verbal not sure if from the hearing impairment or the

autism and its so hard to figure out the problem or how something

effects her, I have to just guess... any suggestions, guidance and

help would be greatly appreciated...

Thanks so much

> > > hi, Im so confused trying to read these results and trying to

> > > understand what they mean.Please help me...They are for my

> daughter,

> > > she is 7.5 years old, DDI lab performed the test on

Hair..Thanks

> so

> > > much for any help or suggestions, should I have anyother tests

> done..

> > > Machaela is low functioning-hearing impaired. let me know if

any

> > > other info is needed. We really need help.

> > >

> > >

> > > Toxic Element Result Range color

> > > aluminum 6.7 < 8.0 green

> > > antimony 0.039 < 0.066 green

> > > arsenic 0.023 < 0.06 green

> > > beryllium <0.01 < 0.02 no color

> > > bismuth 0.038 < 0.12 green

> > > cadmium 0.55 < 0.1 red

> > > lead 0.3 < 1.0 green

> > > mercury 1.3 < 0.4 yellow

> > > platinum < 0.003 < 0.005 no color

> > > thallium < 0.001 < 0.01 no color

> > > thorium 0.001 < 0.005 green

> > > uranium 0.017 < 0.06 green

> > > nickel 0.32 < 0.4 green

> > > silver 0.29 < 0.16 yellow

> > > tin 0.33 < 0.3 red

> > > titanium 2.5 < 1.0 red

> > >

> > > Element Result Range Color percentile

> > > Calcium 1910 250 - 800 red over 50%

> > > Magnesium 230 25 - 90 yellow over 50%

> > > Sodium 12 12 - 90 green under 50%

> > > Potassium 5.0 7.0 - 40 yellow under 50%

> > > Copper 58 12 - 35 yellow over 50%

> > > Zinc 220 120 - 220 green over 50%

> > > Manganese 0.22 0.18 - 0.6 green under 50%

> > > Chromium 0.19 0.23 - 0.45 yellow under 50%

> > > Vanadium 0.024 0.025 - 0.1 yellow under 50%

> > > Molybdenum 0.059 0.037 - 0.083 green over 50%

> > > Boron 2.8 0.3 - 1.7 yellow over 50%

> > > Iodine 2.0 0.25 - 1.3 yellow over 50%

> > > Lithium 0.009 0.007 - 0.023 green under 50%

> > > Phosphorus 275 160 - 250 yellow over 50%

> > > Selenium 1.2 0.95 - 1.7 white middle

> > > Strontium 41 0.37 - 3.6 red over 50%

> > > Sulfur 47800 45500 - 53000 white middle

> > > Barium 1.7 0.21 - 1.9 green over 50%

> > > Cobalt 0.15 0.013 - 0.05 yellow over 50%

> > > Iron 12 6.0 - 17 green over 50%

> > > Germanium 0.029 0.045 - 0.065 yellow under 50%

> > > Rubidium 0.011 0.008 - 0.08 green under 50%

> > > Zirconium 0.29 0.03 - 0.4 green over 50%

> > >

> > > Ratio

> > > Elements Ratios Expectd range

> > > ca/mg 8.3 4 - 30

> > > ca/p 6.95 1 - 12

> > > na/k 2.4 0.5 - 10

> > > zn/cu 3.79 4 - 20

> > > zn/cd 400 > 800

[Guest guest]

> > ,

> > even though because of abnormal metal transport from mercury

> toxicity

> > the values for other toxic metals in the test may not reflect the

> > actual situation, I would try zinc supplementation in addition to

> > chelation because of high copper and cadmium (and you need to

> > supplement zinc during chelation anyway). I would also try to

avoid

> > eating any food from cans which are source of tin, and avoid

> titanium

> > (when I read food labels carefully I notice that titanium dioxide

> is

> > added to a lot of foods (candies, oatmeal, pizza, cakes etc.) as

> > preservative. I hope you will see improvement from chelation!

> > Good luck,

> > Margaret

[Guest guest]

Hi would it be good to give just the dmsa then recheck with another

hair analysis and if the copper is lower then add ala?? Also the dmps

should be given every 8 hrs? is this ok to do or is it recommended to

use dmsa every 4 hours...

Thanks and I appreicate the support..

> > > ,

> > > even though because of abnormal metal transport from mercury

> > toxicity

> > > the values for other toxic metals in the test may not reflect

the

> > > actual situation, I would try zinc supplementation in addition

to

> > > chelation because of high copper and cadmium (and you need to

> > > supplement zinc during chelation anyway). I would also try to

> avoid

> > > eating any food from cans which are source of tin, and avoid

> > titanium

> > > (when I read food labels carefully I notice that titanium

dioxide

> > is

> > > added to a lot of foods (candies, oatmeal, pizza, cakes etc.)

as

> > > preservative. I hope you will see improvement from chelation!

> > > Good luck,

> > > Margaret

[Guest guest]

,

I would suggest start chelating with DMSA according to Andy protocol

/files/Andy_protocol

You can order DMSA from www.vrp.com

/files/HOW_TO_buy_DMSA

They sell 100mg capsules, and I divide them to 4 parts - it's easy.

I would suggest to use about 60mg zinc a day for your daughter,

divided to several doses. Be sure to give it with food, otherwise it

may cause vomiting and stomach upset. You better give less if it

causes stomach upset. Start with lower dosage, and increase it it is

well tolerated. I usually give less zinc during chelation days (like

15 or 20 mg) but more during off days. It seems from the urine test

that DMSA removes a lot of zinc and removes less toxic metals if you

give a lot of zinc together with DMSA.

For chelation, do not forget the supplements which Andy recommends:

" B complex, C and magnesium should be given 4 times a day, and zinc,

E, carotenes, etc. at least

daily. The B and C are not effective if not given 4 times a day due

to their pharmacokinetics. "

I also use for my son (his weight is 43lbs) milk thistle (2 capsules

a day from Kirkman), glycine (2-3 capsules) and taurine (2-3

capsules) for liver support during chelation round. I also use them

during off days, but less (1 caps each). Vitamin A seems to be good

for eyes.

DMSA may cause yeast overgrowth, so it is better to add probiotics

with each dose(we use Culturelle, Pro-Bio Gold and Pro-Culture Gold -

you can order them from http://www.kirkmanlabs.com, and Culturelle

from many other places, for example, VRP). If you see some yeast

symptoms, it is better to use some anti-fungal, but be sure to give

it separately from probiotics (we use GSE - 2 drops one or 2 times a

day, or oregano oil - the same dosage), Yeast Aid from Kirkman and

Capricydin (calcium and magnesium caprylate) from Ecological

formulas. You need to avoid sugar and sweet fruit juices as much as

possible.

Do you use enzymes already? For my son, they help a lot with all

stomach problems. We use Peptizyde, HN-zyme and No-Fenol from

www.houstonni.com . In fact, he could not tolerate much zinc without

enzymes.

While chelating with DMSA, you may want to order urine toxic elements

test to see what metals are coming out. You can ask any doctor to

order it from DDI, it is not expensive if you pay in advance ($55, as

far as I remember). You need to wait several months before you can

see any changes in the hair test.

I think, it's better to try the supplements before starting chelation

round, to be sure that your daughter tolerates them well.

Good luck,

Margaret

> > > > hi, Im so confused trying to read these results and trying to

> > > > understand what they mean.Please help me...They are for my

> > daughter,

> > > > she is 7.5 years old, DDI lab performed the test on

> Hair..Thanks

> > so

> > > > much for any help or suggestions, should I have anyother

tests

> > done..

> > > > Machaela is low functioning-hearing impaired. let me know if

> any

> > > > other info is needed. We really need help.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Toxic Element Result Range color

> > > > aluminum 6.7 < 8.0 green

> > > > antimony 0.039 < 0.066 green

> > > > arsenic 0.023 < 0.06 green

> > > > beryllium <0.01 < 0.02 no color

> > > > bismuth 0.038 < 0.12 green

> > > > cadmium 0.55 < 0.1 red

> > > > lead 0.3 < 1.0 green

> > > > mercury 1.3 < 0.4 yellow

> > > > platinum < 0.003 < 0.005 no color

> > > > thallium < 0.001 < 0.01 no color

> > > > thorium 0.001 < 0.005 green

> > > > uranium 0.017 < 0.06 green

> > > > nickel 0.32 < 0.4 green

> > > > silver 0.29 < 0.16 yellow

> > > > tin 0.33 < 0.3 red

> > > > titanium 2.5 < 1.0 red

> > > >

> > > > Element Result Range Color percentile

> > > > Calcium 1910 250 - 800 red over 50%

> > > > Magnesium 230 25 - 90 yellow over 50%

> > > > Sodium 12 12 - 90 green under 50%

> > > > Potassium 5.0 7.0 - 40 yellow under 50%

> > > > Copper 58 12 - 35 yellow over 50%

> > > > Zinc 220 120 - 220 green over 50%

> > > > Manganese 0.22 0.18 - 0.6 green under 50%

> > > > Chromium 0.19 0.23 - 0.45 yellow under 50%

> > > > Vanadium 0.024 0.025 - 0.1 yellow under 50%

> > > > Molybdenum 0.059 0.037 - 0.083 green over 50%

> > > > Boron 2.8 0.3 - 1.7 yellow over 50%

> > > > Iodine 2.0 0.25 - 1.3 yellow over 50%

> > > > Lithium 0.009 0.007 - 0.023 green under 50%

> > > > Phosphorus 275 160 - 250 yellow over 50%

> > > > Selenium 1.2 0.95 - 1.7 white middle

> > > > Strontium 41 0.37 - 3.6 red over 50%

> > > > Sulfur 47800 45500 - 53000 white middle

> > > > Barium 1.7 0.21 - 1.9 green over 50%

> > > > Cobalt 0.15 0.013 - 0.05 yellow over 50%

> > > > Iron 12 6.0 - 17 green over 50%

> > > > Germanium 0.029 0.045 - 0.065 yellow under 50%

> > > > Rubidium 0.011 0.008 - 0.08 green under 50%

> > > > Zirconium 0.29 0.03 - 0.4 green over 50%

> > > >

> > > > Ratio

> > > > Elements Ratios Expectd range

> > > > ca/mg 8.3 4 - 30

> > > > ca/p 6.95 1 - 12

> > > > na/k 2.4 0.5 - 10

> > > > zn/cu 3.79 4 - 20

> > > > zn/cd 400 > 800

[Guest guest]

> > > Thank you so much for the reply, I just started giving her zinc

> > > supplement last week..She weighs 60 pounds how much would you

> > suggest

> > > I give to her..

> >

> > I don't know, but give it in divided doses 3 or 4 times a day.

> > You can see if there are amounts listed here:

> > /files/ANDY_INDEX

> > look for the section on supplements and food.

> > then read the items about " supplements recommended during

> chelation " .

> > start supplements BEFORE you start chelating.

> >

> > > I was very surpised about the titanium also, I will

> > ck

> > > for the additive, I left the report at home but I will check on

> the

> > > copper, if it is close to the red is there something else I

> should

> > do?

> >

> > well, Margaret's point is correct, that the fact it is high

> > (even if not horribly high) means that zinc is a good idea.

> > If it is VERY high, then you should consider waiting to use

> > ALA (ALA decreases copper excretion). THe issue is that

> > high copper is quite toxic. So if it is really up there

> > (like if it was red) then you may want to FIRST work on

> > lowering the copper before using ALA. Lowering copper

> > by giving zinc (and optionally moly and something else

> > that I forget). Also check supps to see if they contain

> > copper (some do). And you could limit coppery foods if

> > you want (nuts, organ meats). But how much to do about

> > this depends, I think, on how high it is. In many cases

> > just zinc may be enough to do. My hair copper went DOWN

> > while I was chelating with ALA and taking zinc, but I

> > have no idea whether this is typical.

> >

> > When I wrote the comment I was thinking that you might

> > want to consider it as a problem if very high, and you

> > might wait to use ALA. You can also read more about

> > all this in ANDY_INDEX if you want.

> >

> >

> > > Im am going to start chelating if she is 60 pds how much should

I

> > > give her and should I use both ala and dmsa? on 3 days off 11?

> >

> > see

> > /files/Andy_dose_sched

> >

> >

> > Also

> > > why the high Cadmiun? Her Magnesium seems so high, I am

> > supplementing

> > > magnesium but is it to much and why would the Strontium be so

> high I

> > > dont even know what this is..

> >

> > it is not clear to me whether high in hair means you are giving

> > too much, or she is not absorbing it, or something else. It

> > might only mean she has disordered mineral transport! I don't

> > know that anyone can make anything useful about what supps to

> > give from a hair test.

> >

> >

> >

> > > I know I have so many questions but I

> > > just want to make sure I am reading things correctly and doing

> what

> > > may be best for her..since she will be 8 in July I have started

> > late.

> >

> > well, it is good you are working on it now!

> > it is the best time you have. good for you.

> >

> >

> > > she is also non verbal not sure if from the hearing impairment

or

> > the

> > > autism and its so hard to figure out the problem or how

something

> > > effects her, I have to just guess... any suggestions, guidance

> and

> > > help would be greatly appreciated...

> >

> > read any of the stuff in the files that looks helpful.

> > give yourself a little time to absorb it, then read it

> > again if you want.

> > /files/

> > Read Dana's site too:

> > http://www.danasview.net

> > Trust your interest to guide you. Absorb as you can.

> > Ask questions, reread.

> >

> > and, well, since you asked my " suggestion " is that you

> > feel encouraged, and hopeful. She is very

> > lucky to have someone so concerned and active caring for her.

> > Not sure if that is helpful, but there it is.

> >

> > best,

> > Moria

> >

> >

> >

> > > Thanks so much

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi, I have check the report and the Copper is right in the middle of

yellow and red...So I think I will increase the zinc, give 2 rounds

of dmsa then add the ala and see how she does.Let me know if this

doesnt sound ok..you are more help than you know..just being able to

ask and have my questions answered is so relieving...

Thanks julie

> > Hi would it be good to give just the dmsa then recheck with

another

> > hair analysis and if the copper is lower then add ala??

>

> that would be one reasonable path. Although really I think it

> depends on how high the copper is. If it in just somewhere

> in yellow, I'm not sure that is so bad an issue. And if

> you wait for a hair test to show lower copper it will take

> a while (hair grows slow). So, um, I think my answer is

> I'm not sure which is the better path. If it is high yellow

> near red, then I'm cautious. But I really don't know at

> what point I SHOULD feel caution exactly.......

>

> Another way to do it would be to use zinc/lower copper

> intake for a while, then add ALA (without the retest).

> Then you are not waiting a long time for the copper to

> lower AND enough hair to grow.

> I also think that a hair test every few months might

> be a decent idea until the copper is okay. I mean

> " whether or not you are using ALA " .

>

> > Also the

> dmps

> > should be given every 8 hrs? is this ok to do or is it

recommended

> to

> > use dmsa every 4 hours...

>

> DMPS: every 8 hours.

> /files/Andy_dose_sched

>

> > Thanks and I appreicate the support..

>

> I'm not sure I was really much help!!

>

> Moria

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret,

You have answered all my question and so has Moria, I know I will

have more..I have started supplementing her 2 weeks ago, I think she

is getting all suggested except a few I need to add..Im going to

start with DMSA do a few rounds then add ala..I did take this hair

test before I added the zinc so Im hoping this will help with the

copper and I have the report and the copper is right in the middle of

yellow and red.. So it is not as high as I thought..I live in WI and

there isnt many DAN doctors in my area, so Im basically going to do

this on my own.I feel so nervous and many concerns, but I need to do

something...One other question I do have is how do I know if the

metals are coming out? just see how she is doing or is there

something else I should look for..

Bless you and thank you so much..

> ,

> I would suggest start chelating with DMSA according to Andy protocol

> /files/Andy_protocol

> You can order DMSA from www.vrp.com

> /files/HOW_TO_buy_DMSA

> They sell 100mg capsules, and I divide them to 4 parts - it's easy.

> I would suggest to use about 60mg zinc a day for your daughter,

> divided to several doses. Be sure to give it with food, otherwise

it

> may cause vomiting and stomach upset. You better give less if it

> causes stomach upset. Start with lower dosage, and increase it it

is

> well tolerated. I usually give less zinc during chelation days

(like

> 15 or 20 mg) but more during off days. It seems from the urine test

> that DMSA removes a lot of zinc and removes less toxic metals if

you

> give a lot of zinc together with DMSA.

> For chelation, do not forget the supplements which Andy recommends:

> " B complex, C and magnesium should be given 4 times a day, and

zinc,

> E, carotenes, etc. at least

> daily. The B and C are not effective if not given 4 times a day due

> to their pharmacokinetics. "

> I also use for my son (his weight is 43lbs) milk thistle (2

capsules

> a day from Kirkman), glycine (2-3 capsules) and taurine (2-3

> capsules) for liver support during chelation round. I also use them

> during off days, but less (1 caps each). Vitamin A seems to be good

> for eyes.

> DMSA may cause yeast overgrowth, so it is better to add probiotics

> with each dose(we use Culturelle, Pro-Bio Gold and Pro-Culture

Gold -

> you can order them from http://www.kirkmanlabs.com, and Culturelle

> from many other places, for example, VRP). If you see some yeast

> symptoms, it is better to use some anti-fungal, but be sure to give

> it separately from probiotics (we use GSE - 2 drops one or 2 times

a

> day, or oregano oil - the same dosage), Yeast Aid from Kirkman and

> Capricydin (calcium and magnesium caprylate) from Ecological

> formulas. You need to avoid sugar and sweet fruit juices as much as

> possible.

> Do you use enzymes already? For my son, they help a lot with all

> stomach problems. We use Peptizyde, HN-zyme and No-Fenol from

> www.houstonni.com . In fact, he could not tolerate much zinc

without

> enzymes.

> While chelating with DMSA, you may want to order urine toxic

elements

> test to see what metals are coming out. You can ask any doctor to

> order it from DDI, it is not expensive if you pay in advance ($55,

as

> far as I remember). You need to wait several months before you can

> see any changes in the hair test.

> I think, it's better to try the supplements before starting

chelation

> round, to be sure that your daughter tolerates them well.

> Good luck,

> Margaret

[Guest guest]

>One other question I do have is how do I know if the

> metals are coming out? just see how she is doing or is there

> something else I should look for..

Hi , if you find a doctor who agrees to order the test " Urine

toxic elements " from DDI, you can see what is coming out. In this

case it will be cheaper, but you will need to pay the doctor for

appointment. It seems that you can order the same test yourself from

DirectLab, I just found it at

http://www.directlabs.com/testtypes.php#DMSP ,

it is called Toxic Metals - Urine, price $145. It will show you what

is coming out with DMSA. When you start ALA, most of excretion goes

through feces, so you will need a fecal test, or you can just judge

by improvement if you are doing the right thing.

Best wishes

Margaret

> Bless you and thank you so much..

>

>

> > ,

> > I would suggest start chelating with DMSA according to Andy

protocol

> > /files/Andy_protocol

> > You can order DMSA from www.vrp.com

> > Autism-

Mercury/files/HOW_TO_buy_DMSA

> > They sell 100mg capsules, and I divide them to 4 parts - it's

easy.

> > I would suggest to use about 60mg zinc a day for your daughter,

> > divided to several doses. Be sure to give it with food,

otherwise

> it

> > may cause vomiting and stomach upset. You better give less if it

> > causes stomach upset. Start with lower dosage, and increase it

it

> is

> > well tolerated. I usually give less zinc during chelation days

> (like

> > 15 or 20 mg) but more during off days. It seems from the urine

test

> > that DMSA removes a lot of zinc and removes less toxic metals if

> you

> > give a lot of zinc together with DMSA.

> > For chelation, do not forget the supplements which Andy

recommends:

> > " B complex, C and magnesium should be given 4 times a day, and

> zinc,

> > E, carotenes, etc. at least

> > daily. The B and C are not effective if not given 4 times a day

due

> > to their pharmacokinetics. "

> > I also use for my son (his weight is 43lbs) milk thistle (2

> capsules

> > a day from Kirkman), glycine (2-3 capsules) and taurine (2-3

> > capsules) for liver support during chelation round. I also use

them

> > during off days, but less (1 caps each). Vitamin A seems to be

good

> > for eyes.

> > DMSA may cause yeast overgrowth, so it is better to add

probiotics

> > with each dose(we use Culturelle, Pro-Bio Gold and Pro-Culture

> Gold -

> > you can order them from http://www.kirkmanlabs.com, and

Culturelle

> > from many other places, for example, VRP). If you see some yeast

> > symptoms, it is better to use some anti-fungal, but be sure to

give

> > it separately from probiotics (we use GSE - 2 drops one or 2

times

> a

> > day, or oregano oil - the same dosage), Yeast Aid from Kirkman

and

> > Capricydin (calcium and magnesium caprylate) from Ecological

> > formulas. You need to avoid sugar and sweet fruit juices as much

as

> > possible.

> > Do you use enzymes already? For my son, they help a lot with all

> > stomach problems. We use Peptizyde, HN-zyme and No-Fenol from

> > www.houstonni.com . In fact, he could not tolerate much zinc

> without

> > enzymes.

> > While chelating with DMSA, you may want to order urine toxic

> elements

> > test to see what metals are coming out. You can ask any doctor

to

> > order it from DDI, it is not expensive if you pay in advance

($55,

> as

> > far as I remember). You need to wait several months before you

can

> > see any changes in the hair test.

> > I think, it's better to try the supplements before starting

> chelation

> > round, to be sure that your daughter tolerates them well.

> > Good luck,

> > Margaret