kidney cleanse

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>>>

Another thing that might play into place is I am constantly having

trouble

with my hip popping out of place and rotating. I'm wondering if the out

of

place hip would contribute to the kidneys shiftling around. Just

wondering.

<<<

Gail,

Now that you mention it....I'll share some more )

The meridian for the kidneys runs thru the hips like a harness.

This was explained to me by a Chinese Herbalist & Accupuncturist.

I will tell you why we discussed this: my youngest daughter, Kaiyah~age

5, is special needs. I had a home birth (all our births were-even our

twins) & took her in for chiro care at 3 days b/c her neck was out from

birthing. It turns out she has a brain stem truama in utero & a rotation

of 7 1/2 on her brain stem. We are looking into specific treamtment for

this. It has been a long process. She has Dandy Syndrome but no

medical problems. Only physcial & neurological delays: gross motor skill

(not walking-extreme hip imbalance), speech & coordination. Her

cerebellum is undeveloped due to the cyst of CSF on the midline of the

brain. We did not have a DX till this March b/c we just kept her in

natural healing. I think this took care of all the " normal symtoms " of

the syndrome so it was difficult w/out the expensive tests to DX her. I'm

so glad we did what we did: nutritional counceling/monitoring, Bernanrd

Jensen food/system analysis, chromotherapy, Bach flower remedies, gems,

magnet therapy, acupuncture, chiro, Brain Gym, Reiki...ect.

People are constantly amazed at her good health, great attitude,

adaptablity & progress. I owe it all to natural health. So we continue

the search. I found this list b/c of it's relationship w/ HBOT. But she

has not has any treatments as of yet.

So back to the kidneys: in her health care, kidneys have been stressed

often. The Chinese Dr told me her diaper rashes ect are probably due to

the gall bladder & kidneys nerve connections being stressed continuously

from her imbalance. It makes sense. Food allergies are not the cause. If

I take her in to get her legs adjusted (for use of a better word) then

the diaper rash goes away. Dr. Thei has great info on this. I use

his book for a baseline for our magnet therapy. Her previous chiro taught

me for 3 1/2 yrs. She now goes to Http://www.kentuckiana.org. Only 1 of 2

natual health care/chiro clinics in the US.

So we are still searching.....Any comments, suggestions & info would be

appreciated.

About your kidney stress, you need to find out if the initial problem is

structural or metabolic . That would provide the best treatment for you

kidneys to treat the cause. It could be another organ stress that pulled

the kidneys down too. Chinese medicien makes these things so clear to me.

I recommend a good naturopahic physician.

Anyway, sorry the mixed post~ I just haven't ahd time to do anything but

read posts (lots-but so good). I'm so thankful to find this list~So much

great info here. Still trying to see how I can incorperate this into

Kaiyah's treament protocol.

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>>>

Another thing that might play into place is I am constantly having

trouble

with my hip popping out of place and rotating. I'm wondering if the out

of

place hip would contribute to the kidneys shiftling around. Just

wondering.

<<<

Gail,

Now that you mention it....I'll share some more )

The meridian for the kidneys runs thru the hips like a harness.

This was explained to me by a Chinese Herbalist & Accupuncturist.

I will tell you why we discussed this: my youngest daughter, Kaiyah~age

5, is special needs. I had a home birth (all our births were-even our

twins) & took her in for chiro care at 3 days b/c her neck was out from

birthing. It turns out she has a brain stem truama in utero & a rotation

of 7 1/2 on her brain stem. We are looking into specific treamtment for

this. It has been a long process. She has Dandy Syndrome but no

medical problems. Only physcial & neurological delays: gross motor skill

(not walking-extreme hip imbalance), speech & coordination. Her

cerebellum is undeveloped due to the cyst of CSF on the midline of the

brain. We did not have a DX till this March b/c we just kept her in

natural healing. I think this took care of all the " normal symtoms " of

the syndrome so it was difficult w/out the expensive tests to DX her. I'm

so glad we did what we did: nutritional counceling/monitoring, Bernanrd

Jensen food/system analysis, chromotherapy, Bach flower remedies, gems,

magnet therapy, acupuncture, chiro, Brain Gym, Reiki...ect.

People are constantly amazed at her good health, great attitude,

adaptablity & progress. I owe it all to natural health. So we continue

the search. I found this list b/c of it's relationship w/ HBOT. But she

has not has any treatments as of yet.

So back to the kidneys: in her health care, kidneys have been stressed

often. The Chinese Dr told me her diaper rashes ect are probably due to

the gall bladder & kidneys nerve connections being stressed continuously

from her imbalance. It makes sense. Food allergies are not the cause. If

I take her in to get her legs adjusted (for use of a better word) then

the diaper rash goes away. Dr. Thei has great info on this. I use

his book for a baseline for our magnet therapy. Her previous chiro taught

me for 3 1/2 yrs. She now goes to Http://www.kentuckiana.org. Only 1 of 2

natual health care/chiro clinics in the US.

So we are still searching.....Any comments, suggestions & info would be

appreciated.

About your kidney stress, you need to find out if the initial problem is

structural or metabolic . That would provide the best treatment for you

kidneys to treat the cause. It could be another organ stress that pulled

the kidneys down too. Chinese medicien makes these things so clear to me.

I recommend a good naturopahic physician.

Anyway, sorry the mixed post~ I just haven't ahd time to do anything but

read posts (lots-but so good). I'm so thankful to find this list~So much

great info here. Still trying to see how I can incorperate this into

Kaiyah's treament protocol.

· ´¨)) -:¦:-

. .·´¨¨)) -:- ~Jolene~

((¸¸.· ..·´-:¦:- Heal me, O Lord, & I shall be healed~Jer 17:14

-:¦:- ((¸¸.´*

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As of Monday I started doing a kidney cleanse with the following herbs:

Uva Ursi, White Oak Bark, Juniper Berries, Ginger, Dandelion Root,

Marshallow Root, Gravel Root, and Lobelia.

Gail,

How are you taking these herbs? Pills or decoctions, or what? I would like

to do a kidney cleanse, but the only one I know of Dr. 's, and I am not

so sure I want to go that route. Is yours different?

Glad to hear the results are worth the effort!

Patty

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Hi Patty,

Yes, I believe this cleanse is different than Dr. 's. Donna has

mentioned trying Dr. 's and it making her so depressed. This one

doesn't. It is in bulk form and I just put 1/2 tsp. in water and drink

three times a day. Directions say to do this for six weeks or longer for

difficult cases. I asked an ET about it. She is a herbalist who said

the six weeks time is fine for these herbs. Said they were some powerful

herbs which should be able to stir up some stuff. Funny they don't make me

sick at all. She also mentioned most bulk loses 75% of is potency

compaired to the freeze dried herb in the capsule. Maybe that's why it's

not making me sick. I noticed Donna posted today saying the company I got

the herbs from is going out of business. However, I'm sure you can get the

herbs just about anywhere and make up the receipe Donna posted. Good luck.

Gail

Gail

Re: Kidney Cleanse

>

> Gail,

> How are you taking these herbs? Pills or decoctions, or what? I would

like

> to do a kidney cleanse, but the only one I know of Dr. 's, and I am

not

> so sure I want to go that route. Is yours different?

> Glad to hear the results are worth the effort!

> Patty

>

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Hi ,

Dr. Schultz has a cleanse (I am not sure how long it takes, but it is worth

looking into).

http://www.risingstarlc.com/schulze.com/htm

God bless,

KJ

[Guest guest]

,

I just finished the kidney cleanse and did the liver cleanse last night. Whew.

I was not fatigued from drinking the kidney cleanse tea every day. I had an

allergic reaction to the goldenrod, uva ursi, and ginger, so I had to leave

those out, but went on with the tea and parsley water. I noticed my kidneys

hurting slightly the first couple of days and anytime I didn't drink enough

water. My lips were very dry, even cracked, even though I would drink close to

three quarts of water a day. I couldn't see any of the stones and didn't expect

to, since the tea is supposed to dissolve them. Dr. recommends doing the

kidney cleanse once every six months. In one of the previous versions of her

book, she said you could dissolve all your kidney stones in three weeks, but in

the latest directions for the cleanse, she advises drinking the tea for six

weeks to get good results, longer for severe problems. I wasn't having any

kidney problems; I just did it because it was recommended to be done before the

liver cleanse, which was my main need. I can't tell if I got good results or

not.

The kit I got from Dr. 's research association had enough herbs, vitamin

B2, and black cherry concentrate to make tea for six weeks, and more than enough

capsules of the magnesium oxide, and vitamin B6 and more than enough

hydrochloric acid for six weeks. The ginger and uva ursi would run out after 33

days (just shy of five weeks), if you take the recommended three a day. (There

are 100 capsules in each bottle of the supplements.)

On Sun, 09 December 2001, " " wrote:

>

> I'm going to order the kidney cleanse after my dental work is done . I'm

> going to order it from Hulda.

>

> What can I expect ? Fatigue? Do you actually see the stones coming out?

> How many times must we do this? Is 1 kit enough?

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

How much did the kit cost?

Re: Kidney cleanse

> ,

> I just finished the kidney cleanse and did the liver cleanse last night.

Whew.

>

> I was not fatigued from drinking the kidney cleanse tea every day. I had

an allergic reaction to the goldenrod, uva ursi, and ginger, so I had to

leave those out, but went on with the tea and parsley water. I noticed my

kidneys hurting slightly the first couple of days and anytime I didn't drink

enough water. My lips were very dry, even cracked, even though I would

drink close to three quarts of water a day. I couldn't see any of the

stones and didn't expect to, since the tea is supposed to dissolve them.

Dr. recommends doing the kidney cleanse once every six months. In one

of the previous versions of her book, she said you could dissolve all your

kidney stones in three weeks, but in the latest directions for the cleanse,

she advises drinking the tea for six weeks to get good results, longer for

severe problems. I wasn't having any kidney problems; I just did it because

it was recommended to be done before the liver cleanse, which was my main

need. I can't tell if I got good results or not.

>

> The kit I got from Dr. 's research association had enough herbs,

vitamin B2, and black cherry concentrate to make tea for six weeks, and more

than enough capsules of the magnesium oxide, and vitamin B6 and more than

enough hydrochloric acid for six weeks. The ginger and uva ursi would run

out after 33 days (just shy of five weeks), if you take the recommended

three a day. (There are 100 capsules in each bottle of the supplements.)

>

>

>

>

> On Sun, 09 December 2001, " " wrote:

>

> >

> > I'm going to order the kidney cleanse after my dental work is done .

I'm

> > going to order it from Hulda.

> >

> > What can I expect ? Fatigue? Do you actually see the stones coming

out?

> > How many times must we do this? Is 1 kit enough?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The kidney cleanse kit from Dr. 's research association cost $57.16 plus

shipping. I also have to correct something I wrote before about all the

ingredients lasting six weeks. Each half of the tea herbs lasts 13 days (for a

total of 26). Then you have to reboil each half of the herbs in 6 cups of water

to make 8 more days' worth (for a total of 16), which makes six weeks' worth.

Also, the kit gives you two bottles of black cherry concentrate. You're

supposed to add one of the bottles to the first boilings of each half of herbs,

so you won't have any left for the reboiled batches. If you want to add black

cherry concentrate (it improves the flavor of the tea; I'm not sure if it

increases its effectiveness as well), you'll have to buy an additional bottle

and could split it between the two reboiled batches.

On Sun, 09 December 2001, " " wrote:

>

> How much did the kit cost?

>

>

> Re: Kidney cleanse

>

>

> > ,

> > I just finished the kidney cleanse and did the liver cleanse last night.

> Whew.

> >

> > I was not fatigued from drinking the kidney cleanse tea every day. I had

> an allergic reaction to the goldenrod, uva ursi, and ginger, so I had to

> leave those out, but went on with the tea and parsley water. I noticed my

> kidneys hurting slightly the first couple of days and anytime I didn't drink

> enough water. My lips were very dry, even cracked, even though I would

> drink close to three quarts of water a day. I couldn't see any of the

> stones and didn't expect to, since the tea is supposed to dissolve them.

> Dr. recommends doing the kidney cleanse once every six months. In one

> of the previous versions of her book, she said you could dissolve all your

> kidney stones in three weeks, but in the latest directions for the cleanse,

> she advises drinking the tea for six weeks to get good results, longer for

> severe problems. I wasn't having any kidney problems; I just did it because

> it was recommended to be done before the liver cleanse, which was my main

> need. I can't tell if I got good results or not.

> >

> > The kit I got from Dr. 's research association had enough herbs,

> vitamin B2, and black cherry concentrate to make tea for six weeks, and more

> than enough capsules of the magnesium oxide, and vitamin B6 and more than

> enough hydrochloric acid for six weeks. The ginger and uva ursi would run

> out after 33 days (just shy of five weeks), if you take the recommended

> three a day. (There are 100 capsules in each bottle of the supplements.)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Sun, 09 December 2001, " " wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > I'm going to order the kidney cleanse after my dental work is done .

> I'm

> > > going to order it from Hulda.

> > >

> > > What can I expect ? Fatigue? Do you actually see the stones coming

> out?

> > > How many times must we do this? Is 1 kit enough?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

How are you feeling after teh liver cleanse? Are you going to do your next

one soon?

Re: Kidney cleanse

> >

> >

> > > ,

> > > I just finished the kidney cleanse and did the liver cleanse last

night.

> > Whew.

> > >

> > > I was not fatigued from drinking the kidney cleanse tea every day. I

had

> > an allergic reaction to the goldenrod, uva ursi, and ginger, so I had to

> > leave those out, but went on with the tea and parsley water. I noticed

my

> > kidneys hurting slightly the first couple of days and anytime I didn't

drink

> > enough water. My lips were very dry, even cracked, even though I would

> > drink close to three quarts of water a day. I couldn't see any of the

> > stones and didn't expect to, since the tea is supposed to dissolve them.

> > Dr. recommends doing the kidney cleanse once every six months. In

one

> > of the previous versions of her book, she said you could dissolve all

your

> > kidney stones in three weeks, but in the latest directions for the

cleanse,

> > she advises drinking the tea for six weeks to get good results, longer

for

> > severe problems. I wasn't having any kidney problems; I just did it

because

> > it was recommended to be done before the liver cleanse, which was my

main

> > need. I can't tell if I got good results or not.

> > >

> > > The kit I got from Dr. 's research association had enough herbs,

> > vitamin B2, and black cherry concentrate to make tea for six weeks, and

more

> > than enough capsules of the magnesium oxide, and vitamin B6 and more

than

> > enough hydrochloric acid for six weeks. The ginger and uva ursi would

run

> > out after 33 days (just shy of five weeks), if you take the recommended

> > three a day. (There are 100 capsules in each bottle of the

supplements.)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sun, 09 December 2001, " " wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I'm going to order the kidney cleanse after my dental work is done .

> > I'm

> > > > going to order it from Hulda.

> > > >

> > > > What can I expect ? Fatigue? Do you actually see the stones coming

> > out?

> > > > How many times must we do this? Is 1 kit enough?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

--- <sbulmer@...> wrote:

>

>

> > The kidney cleanse kit from Dr. 's research

> association cost $57.16

> plus shipping.

Could you please tell me how to order from Dr. 's

research association... an e-mail or a phone number?

I have ordered from Road-to-Health for a long time

now, thinking there is no other way to get Hulda

's stuff. It looks as if there is a big price

difference.

Thank you

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

, the Dr. research association's website is

https://www1907.dulles19-verio.com/drclar/utilities/productssss.htm?rep=DCRA

Their phone number is 1-800-220-3741.

, the first day after my liver cleanse I was still worn down, but now I

feel great. It didn't cure my food allergies, though. I'm allergic to corn and

ginger, among other things, and I tried to eat those Monday. Although I didn't

have as much wheezing (I hadn't had any since the second day of zapping), I did

wheeze a bit when I tried to exercise that afternoon. I also noticed some lung

pain, but not wheezing, after eating cornbread dressing. I wasn't able to get

2,000 stones out, which is what Dr. says is necessary to rid you of

allergies permanently. I don't know if she means food or environmental

allergies. Has anyone successfully treated their food allergies with Dr.

's methods? I guess I'll have to do another cleanse after the holidays and

see if I can get more stones out and see if that cures it.

I tried the liver cleanse on my three-year-old son last night, with terrible

results. After keeping him off food and drink for 12 hours (which was terribly

hard; he was definitely hungry and begging for water), I finally relented and

let him have a few sips of water a couple of hours after I gave him the

grapefruit juice and olive oil. About an hour later, he was laying on his

stomach, which must have put pressure on his liver or stomach (I found that I

had to lay on my back with my head elevated at about a 30-degree angle the

entire night or I had nausea), and he vomited all of it up. At that point,

should I have tried to give him more grapefruit juice and olive oil and pushed

back giving him the last two Epsom salt doses by three hours? Or, if I chose to

give up and try another day, when would it have been safe to give him fruit

juice and later food? Has this happened to anyone?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide. I'm quite discouraged,

On Tue, 11 December 2001, " " wrote:

>

> Thanks ,

> How are you feeling after teh liver cleanse? Are you going to do your next

> one soon?

>

> Re: Kidney cleanse

> > >

> > >

> > > > ,

> > > > I just finished the kidney cleanse and did the liver cleanse last

> night.

> > > Whew.

> > > >

> > > > I was not fatigued from drinking the kidney cleanse tea every day. I

> had

> > > an allergic reaction to the goldenrod, uva ursi, and ginger, so I had to

> > > leave those out, but went on with the tea and parsley water. I noticed

> my

> > > kidneys hurting slightly the first couple of days and anytime I didn't

> drink

> > > enough water. My lips were very dry, even cracked, even though I would

> > > drink close to three quarts of water a day. I couldn't see any of the

> > > stones and didn't expect to, since the tea is supposed to dissolve them.

> > > Dr. recommends doing the kidney cleanse once every six months. In

> one

> > > of the previous versions of her book, she said you could dissolve all

> your

> > > kidney stones in three weeks, but in the latest directions for the

> cleanse,

> > > she advises drinking the tea for six weeks to get good results, longer

> for

> > > severe problems. I wasn't having any kidney problems; I just did it

> because

> > > it was recommended to be done before the liver cleanse, which was my

> main

> > > need. I can't tell if I got good results or not.

> > > >

> > > > The kit I got from Dr. 's research association had enough herbs,

> > > vitamin B2, and black cherry concentrate to make tea for six weeks, and

> more

> > > than enough capsules of the magnesium oxide, and vitamin B6 and more

> than

> > > enough hydrochloric acid for six weeks. The ginger and uva ursi would

> run

> > > out after 33 days (just shy of five weeks), if you take the recommended

> > > three a day. (There are 100 capsules in each bottle of the

> supplements.)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Sun, 09 December 2001, " " wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm going to order the kidney cleanse after my dental work is done .

> > > I'm

> > > > > going to order it from Hulda.

> > > > >

> > > > > What can I expect ? Fatigue? Do you actually see the stones coming

> > > out?

> > > > > How many times must we do this? Is 1 kit enough?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I have never heard of 1 or 2 liver cleanses curing any allergies. It's

more like 10-15.

Leo

-----------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm going to order the kidney cleanse after my dental work

is done .

> > > > I'm

> > > > > > going to order it from Hulda.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What can I expect ? Fatigue? Do you actually see the

stones coming

> > > > out?

> > > > > > How many times must we do this? Is 1 kit enough?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Just don't do the liver cleanse with a young child. You performed it

completely wrong, which made your son feel really sick. Don't do that to a

little child. He's too young to understand and cooperate and it's a very

rough treatment.

One doesn't need to fast for 12 hours at all - stop eating and drinking at

2 pm and start with the epsom salts at 6, then at 8 and the oil +

grapefruit at 10. After that you lie on your _back_ for at least 20

minutes and Don't Move. Then go to sleep. Don't take any more epsom salts

until after 6 am the next morning.

You should not have persisted in the cleanse, and don't try again until he

is about 16 years old.

sincerely,

Ilana

> > I tried the liver cleanse on my three-year-old son last night, with

> terrible results. After keeping him off food and drink for 12 hours

> (which was terribly hard; he was definitely hungry and begging for

> water), I finally relented and let him have a few sips of water a

> couple of hours after I gave him the grapefruit juice and olive oil.

> About an hour later, he was laying on his stomach, which must have put

> pressure on his liver or stomach (I found that I had to lay on my back

> with my head elevated at about a 30-degree angle the entire night or I

> had nausea), and he vomited all of it up. At that point, should I

> have tried to give him more grapefruit juice and olive oil and pushed

> back giving him the last two Epsom salt doses by three hours? Or, if

> I chose to give up and try another day, when would it have been safe

> to give him fruit juice and later food? Has this happened to anyone?

> >

> > Thanks for any help anyone can provide. I'm quite discouraged,

> >

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, 7 day juice fasts will also clear allergies. CB.

Re: Kidney cleanse

> I have never heard of 1 or 2 liver cleanses curing any allergies. It's

> more like 10-15.

> Leo

> -----------------------------

[Guest guest]

Leo,

I'm disappointed to hear that it takes 10-15 liver cleanses to clear up

allergies. Does it take that long for most people to pass 2,000 stones?

Jeanie,

I don't know what the signs of liver toxicity are, but my son has extensive food

and environmental allergies that are getting difficult to live with by just

using avoidance techniques. He didn't understand the purpose of the procedure,

other than " take this " medicine " so that it will clean out your belly. " He's

fine now, thanks for asking. He passed a few stones the next day, even though I

aborted the procedure after he threw up and didn't give him the morning epsom

salts doses.

CB,

Thanks for the tip on the 7-day juice fast, but I won't be able to do that on a

toddler.

And finally, Ilana,

Thanks for your opinions about how I shouldn't have tried this on a toddler. It

would have been helpful to have heard from you in response to my first post to

the group (#4243), in which I asked for advice on how to proceed with the

cleanses on a child. I got responses from no one.

I don't believe that I performed it completely wrong. When I said that he

fasted for 12 hours, I was speaking of not eating or drinking except the epsom

salt water and olive oil/grapefuit juice, from 2 pm until the middle of the

night (about 2 am, which would have been 12 hours), when I finally gave him the

plain water. I gave him the epsom salt water and olive oil/grapefruit juice on

the schedule outlined by you below and consistent with Dr. 's directions.

With the exception of the epsom salt water and grapefruit juice/olive oil, when

you do a liver cleanse, you are essentially fasting for 20 hours (from 2 pm the

first day until 10 am the next day when you get fruit juice two hours after the

fourth epsom salt dose), correct? I mean, you're not supposed to have plain

water at all during that time, which is the mistake that I made in administering

this to my son.

& #0; & #0; Wed, 12 December 2001, ilana wrote:

>

>

> Just don't do the liver cleanse with a young child. You performed it

> completely wrong, which made your son feel really sick. Don't do that to a

> little child. He's too young to understand and cooperate and it's a very

> rough treatment.

>

> One doesn't need to fast for 12 hours at all - stop eating and drinking at

> 2 pm and start with the epsom salts at 6, then at 8 and the oil +

> grapefruit at 10. After that you lie on your _back_ for at least 20

> minutes and Don't Move. Then go to sleep. Don't take any more epsom salts

> until after 6 am the next morning.

>

> You should not have persisted in the cleanse, and don't try again until he

> is about 16 years old.

>

> sincerely,

>

> Ilana

>

> > > I tried the liver cleanse on my three-year-old son last night, with

> > terrible results. After keeping him off food and drink for 12 hours

> > (which was terribly hard; he was definitely hungry and begging for

> > water), I finally relented and let him have a few sips of water a

> > couple of hours after I gave him the grapefruit juice and olive oil.

> > About an hour later, he was laying on his stomach, which must have put

> > pressure on his liver or stomach (I found that I had to lay on my back

> > with my head elevated at about a 30-degree angle the entire night or I

> > had nausea), and he vomited all of it up. At that point, should I

> > have tried to give him more grapefruit juice and olive oil and pushed

> > back giving him the last two Epsom salt doses by three hours? Or, if

> > I chose to give up and try another day, when would it have been safe

> > to give him fruit juice and later food? Has this happened to anyone?

> > >

> > > Thanks for any help anyone can provide. I'm quite discouraged,

> > >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know, as I have limited stats.

Leo

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>

> >

> >

> > Just don't do the liver cleanse with a young child. You performed

it

> > completely wrong, which made your son feel really sick. Don't do

that to a

> > little child. He's too young to understand and cooperate and it's

a very

> > rough treatment.

> >

> > One doesn't need to fast for 12 hours at all - stop eating and

drinking at

> > 2 pm and start with the epsom salts at 6, then at 8 and the oil +

> > grapefruit at 10. After that you lie on your _back_ for at least

20

> > minutes and Don't Move. Then go to sleep. Don't take any more

epsom salts

> > until after 6 am the next morning.

> >

> > You should not have persisted in the cleanse, and don't try again

until he

> > is about 16 years old.

> >

> > sincerely,

> >

> > Ilana

> >

> > > > I tried the liver cleanse on my three-year-old son last night,

with

> > > terrible results. After keeping him off food and drink for 12

hours

> > > (which was terribly hard; he was definitely hungry and begging

for

> > > water), I finally relented and let him have a few sips of water

a

> > > couple of hours after I gave him the grapefruit juice and olive

oil.

> > > About an hour later, he was laying on his stomach, which must

have put

> > > pressure on his liver or stomach (I found that I had to lay on

my back

> > > with my head elevated at about a 30-degree angle the entire

night or I

> > > had nausea), and he vomited all of it up. At that point, should

I

> > > have tried to give him more grapefruit juice and olive oil and

pushed

> > > back giving him the last two Epsom salt doses by three hours?

Or, if

> > > I chose to give up and try another day, when would it have been

safe

> > > to give him fruit juice and later food? Has this happened to

anyone?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for any help anyone can provide. I'm quite

discouraged,

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On 13 Dec 2001, Rickeys wrote:

> Leo, I'm disappointed to hear that it takes 10-15 liver cleanses to

> clear up allergies. Does it take that long for most people to pass

> 2,000 stones?

Likely.

> Jeanie, I don't know what the signs of liver toxicity are, but my son

One sign is yellowish skin. (Yellow skin could also be a sign of

parasites.)

> And finally, Ilana, Thanks for your opinions about how I shouldn't

> have tried this on a toddler. It would have been helpful to have

> heard from you in response to my first post to the group (#4243), in

> which I asked for advice on how to proceed with the cleanses on a

> child. I got responses from no one.

I wasn't available for responding to email last month so I can't comment

on how I should have spoken up sooner. Stupid that no one did. Also you

asked about all the cleanses in one, and asking 4 questions at the same

time never gets a complete answer out of an audience. That is annoying,

but it is the normal state of affairs.

However, you _can_ do a modified parasite cleanse on a child:

http://www..net/info/children.htm describes perfectly how.

The tapeworm/ascaris cleanse is mentioned, as is the mop-up program, so

you can do those on a child as well. But the kidney cleanse and the liver

cleanse are not mentioned and I don't remember reading about using them

with children at all in the books.

I would think that the kidney cleanse is innocent enough to do (_after_

the parasite cleanse and the tapeworm/ascaris cleanse) but about the liver

cleanse it is stated many times that it is a very rough procedure and is

not done on the very ill or very vulnerable, such as old people. I myself

count children under those too.

I would sooner start with the liver herbs (in a tea) that Dr.

describes in her books for a child, after you're finished with the

parasite cleanse and the tapeworm/ascaris, as well as the kidney cleanse.

> I don't believe that I performed it completely wrong. When I said

> that he fasted for 12 hours, I was speaking of not eating or drinking

> except the epsom salt water and olive oil/grapefuit juice, from 2 pm

> until the middle of the night (about 2 am, which would have been 12

> hours), when I finally gave him the plain water.

This is not what I could make out of your previous mail. This sounds fine.

What probably was more of a problem is that he didn't go to sleep and with

the water and alltogether rough treatment of the cleanse he threw it all

up, after which it is difficult to judge if the cleanse was successful or

even could have been.

One thing I'd worry about are the dosages. For a 3 year old, the dosages

of the parasite cleanse are cut down considerably, so how small must the

dosages be for the liver cleanse? Certainly not grownup's sizes. 1/4

maybe? 1/8th? Who will tell?

At this point I think you'd best contact Dr. or someone who works

with her programs to verify what to do.

I do understand the need and yearning to do what is right for your child's

health, though, so I understand you felt compelled to do something for

him.

>

Ilana... who hopes your son is already doing better on the parasite

cleanse!

[Guest guest]

Nah, it doesn't take that long for all or perhaps even most. I did 2 and

probably passed 1500 the first time around. It will differ by individual.

CB.

Re: Re: Kidney cleanse

> On 13 Dec 2001, Rickeys wrote:

>

> > Leo, I'm disappointed to hear that it takes 10-15 liver cleanses to

> > clear up allergies. Does it take that long for most people to pass

> > 2,000 stones?

>

> Likely.

>

[Guest guest]

How do they do this? Do they dissolve gallstones?

Re: Kidney cleanse

>

>

> > I have never heard of 1 or 2 liver cleanses curing any allergies. It's

> > more like 10-15.

> > Leo

> > -----------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI ,

Don't be too diappointed ; I believe you need many liver cleanses before

your allergies clear. My book " A cure for all diseases " says you can do the

liver cleanse every 2 weeks. I would just keep going and count your stones

until you get 2000.

Re: Kidney cleanse

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > > I just finished the kidney cleanse and did the liver cleanse last

> > night.

> > > > Whew.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was not fatigued from drinking the kidney cleanse tea every day.

I

> > had

> > > > an allergic reaction to the goldenrod, uva ursi, and ginger, so I

had to

> > > > leave those out, but went on with the tea and parsley water. I

noticed

> > my

> > > > kidneys hurting slightly the first couple of days and anytime I

didn't

> > drink

> > > > enough water. My lips were very dry, even cracked, even though I

would

> > > > drink close to three quarts of water a day. I couldn't see any of

the

> > > > stones and didn't expect to, since the tea is supposed to dissolve

them.

> > > > Dr. recommends doing the kidney cleanse once every six months.

In

> > one

> > > > of the previous versions of her book, she said you could dissolve

all

> > your

> > > > kidney stones in three weeks, but in the latest directions for the

> > cleanse,

> > > > she advises drinking the tea for six weeks to get good results,

longer

> > for

> > > > severe problems. I wasn't having any kidney problems; I just did it

> > because

> > > > it was recommended to be done before the liver cleanse, which was my

> > main

> > > > need. I can't tell if I got good results or not.

> > > > >

> > > > > The kit I got from Dr. 's research association had enough

herbs,

> > > > vitamin B2, and black cherry concentrate to make tea for six weeks,

and

> > more

> > > > than enough capsules of the magnesium oxide, and vitamin B6 and more

> > than

> > > > enough hydrochloric acid for six weeks. The ginger and uva ursi

would

> > run

> > > > out after 33 days (just shy of five weeks), if you take the

recommended

> > > > three a day. (There are 100 capsules in each bottle of the

> > supplements.)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sun, 09 December 2001, " " wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm going to order the kidney cleanse after my dental work is

done .

> > > > I'm

> > > > > > going to order it from Hulda.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What can I expect ? Fatigue? Do you actually see the stones

coming

> > > > out?

> > > > > > How many times must we do this? Is 1 kit enough?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Well, I'm only speculating, but there could be more than one reason one gets

allergies, I'm speaking of airborne at this point. It may be that the

energy that was freed up from not digesting food was available to heal where

ever needed. I know I was quite pleased. CB

> How do they do this? Do they dissolve gallstones?

>

>

>

> > Hmmm, 7 day juice fasts will also clear allergies. CB.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

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> , the Dr. research association's website

>

>

Thank you, , for the information.

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[Guest guest]

>

<Dr >

Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:07 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Kidney cleanse

> How about having the child sit in a warm milk bath for about an hour?

> Supposedly the parasites are attracted to the milk and come out. Maybe

you

> could lightly cleanse her out first to make this easier? Personally, I

> think I might have her sit her bottom in a plastic tub with milk; the

> thought of a tub with 'creepy crawlies' swimming around disgusts and

> terrifies me. . . let alone a child :-)

>

> Also, I'll pass along a European remedy for allergies, that'll stun you!

> This woman was in the outbacks - don't remember where- had a severe

allergic

> reaction to something. No doctor or hospital available, the locals had

her

> drink a Small amount of her own urine. It totally cured her!

> I occasionally do the same, and am eating things I couldn't for 20-30

years!

> A nurse told me it's sterile fluid. I just had to mentally get over the

> block we grew up with.

> Good luck

> Kate

>

> Re: Re: Kidney cleanse

>

>

> > On 13 Dec 2001, Rickeys wrote:

> >

> > > Leo, I'm disappointed to hear that it takes 10-15 liver cleanses to

> > > clear up allergies. Does it take that long for most people to pass

> > > 2,000 stones?

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am new to the group and have started reading from the beginning.

My name is Hanneke, 53 yr female, and live in Australia. Interested

in learning as much as I can and the Internet is a great way of

accessing all sorts of info.

Would you be able to tell me if the books of Hulda are

available in the Dutch language. A dear friend of mine in Holland

had severe kidney problems with stones, lots of pain etc. I've been

trying to give her advise and referred on to websites but they are

mostly in the English language.

Thankyou

Hanneke

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the info......very informative. I am going to try this as well

My daughter has been suffering constantly for urinary tract infections. Do

you think this may help her also? She is now on her 10th or 12th round of

antibiotics, which I keep telling her she is going to have long term

problems with. I have suggested she go to a naturopath but she hasn't yet.

She has at least changed doctors. She just put her on some herb teas....at

least she isn't giving her additional meds. Any thoughts anyone?

Deb

-- Re: kidneys

Nobody some suggestions??

> Hi!

>

> I went to see a naturopath last week. He told me that my body is

full

> of toxins because of my kidneys. They work very bad. So, is ther

> anything I can do to stimulate my kidneys? Or to clean or flush

them?

>

> Elise