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Your Gyno may related to your T levels. For a 23

year old, 426 is not that high. Should be at lest in

600-700 range.<br><br>Gyno is caused by estrogen. If your

body does not use up its Testosterone, it is

" converted " in to estrogen and this causes the gyno. Your

estrogen levels don't look too high though. Maybe you're

just responding differently to the estrogen than most

people. Also, if your T level was higher it might supress

the gyno...<br><br>K4

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Katain-<br><br>Your post was interesting. <br>How

would you put together that<br>1) Androgel is supposed

to be the means of T replacement with the least T to

E conversion. The<br>endos I've seen feel it

doesn't occur much with Androgel, and<br>2) The package

insert cautions of gyno as a possible side effect, if I

recall...(sure, Unimed<br>is covering its legal bases,

but...)<br><br>In other words, it is usually conversion that causes

gyno, or are there other things that play<br>a big

part. Would appreciate anything you

know...<br><br>Thanks...<br><br>Grandslam

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Must be something we're all missing, because I

can't seem to correlate this with anything concrete.

Here's what a Gyneco web site had to say:<br><br> " Other

causes of gynecomastia include exposure to estrogens,

androgens (often taken secretly for body building).

marijuana, and some medications. Rare causes include tumors,

genetic defects, and chronic liver disease. " <br><br>If

Androgel isn't doing it, it has to be another factor. In

the case of our friend here, his estrogens were not

high, and neither was his T!! Confusing to say the

least.<br><br><br>K4

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Gyno is related to the ratio of T to E. I had

gyno as a teenager but my E level was low (about

nonexistent). There has to be a minimum ratio of T to E to

prevent gyno. In other words, T concentration in a

certain multiple of E suppresses the natural growth of

breasts that occurs even at a low level of E. So if E is

very low, but T is also very low, breasts may develop.

At least that's what an endo told me.

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" Androgel is supposed to be the means of T

replacement with the least T to E conversion. The<br>endos

I've seen feel it doesn't occur much with

Androgel " <br><br>Well, they're wrong. When I was on 250mg cypionate/2

weeks of T injections, my E2 was 76; 3 weeks on 5gm/day

of AG raised my E2 to 105 while my total T dropped

from 450 at the end of 2 weeks on injections to

300.<br>Then I tried 2.5 gm/day of AG to see what my E2 would

drop to (yes, I knew in advance my total T would be

too low), and my total T dropped to 175 and my E2

only went down to 75.<br>So my endo wants me top go

back to weekly T shots, which I'll do if my upcoming

trial with clomid/ hCg is unsuccessful.

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" There has to be a minimum ratio of T to E to prevent gyno. " <br><br><br>Thanks!

That is probably the piece we were missing. It's all about

ratios...<br><br><br>K4

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" There has to be a minimum ratio of T to E to

prevent gyno. " <br><br><br>Thanks! That is probably the

piece we were missing. It's all about

ratios...<br><br><br>K4 " <br><br>Yep ratios are important as well. I think gyno

is

somewhat like male pattern baldness in that some people

are highly sensitive or pre-disposed to it and others

seem almost totally immune.<br><br>I think prolactin

levels are also involved and are an issue more or less

independent of androgens/estrogens. Perhaps someone with some

knowledge of prolactin levels can post something on this

issue...<br><br>Brad

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Another thing to consider is diet. If you are

eating alot of carbohydrates/sugar,

chips,bagels,sodas,etc. this is not good. Eat a diet of nutrient dense

protein(Meat!)fish,poultry,green leafy veggies like brocolli,asparagus,green

beans

and fruit like blackberries,blueberries and

strawberries(frozen in blender with powdered protein(whey,casein,soy

blend is best)with milk or water is great to start day

and in between meals(eat total of 5-6 times a day,

including your protein drinks). Also if you aren't

adequately exercizing do so. Lift weights 2 to 3 times a

week using multi-joint movement exercises like bench

press, squats, bent rows, chins or lat pulls,etc. The

great thing about weights is that if you do them right

and work hard your HGH and testosterone production

will increase but keeping the carbs/sugar down is

important as carb drinks so many people seem to use

actually impedes HGH production. Work out on " empty "

stomach and drink only water during workouts(lots!) and

wait at least half hour or so after then eat

protein(drink) or meal and good luck!

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Sherry in SC,

I have had for a long time pain in the lower back, buttocks and hips and leg

weakness. Initially, I used a walking stick, but over three years ago my

medical support put me on elbow crutches. A walker was discussed, but

discounted because they said it would cause me to stoop, whereas I need to

be erect as possible. Even so I can manage only short distances, and that

is where my electric mobility scooter comes into use for longer distances.

You should also consider obtaining a disabled parking sticker, which I use

if someone drives me places, as I am not permitted to drive. In the same

vein, here in Australia, I qualify for the Taxi (Cab) Subsidy Scheme for the

Disabled, in which I pay only half the metered fare, giving the taxi driver

a voucher to claim the other half from the government. I do not know

whether such a scheme functions in the US and also, there are pretty strict

conditions here to qualify for this scheme.

Incidentally, I have just had a CT scan of the lower spine to investigate

increased weakness in the left leg. I will not know the results until I see

my rheumy towards the end of June.

Regards, Gordon

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> Hi All

>

> I am having a lot of pain in my lower back, buttocks and hips. It is

getting

> to the point of me not being able to walk hardly and when I do walk, I

have

> to walk so slow cause my legs feel so weak. I have another appt with my

doc

> next week, but I thought I would ask the group what do you think of a cain

> or walker? Does anyone use them? Which one would be better?

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Sherry in SC

>

> " In order to succeed you must fail, so that you know what not to do the

next

> time. "

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Hi Sherry, I have a similar problem and as it got worse I would fall. My

problem comes from my knees and sacroiliac. I use a cane, the kind with four

feet on it as the doctor explained it was better for balance and would help to

keep me from falling. Be careful not to lean too much on the cane or you can

start having other back pain. Just try to use it for balance and not lean on it

unless you have to.

Hope you are doing well otherwise. Tried to email you the other day but lost

the email because I fell asleep halfway through the email.

Take Care,

Shirley in VA

Sherry in SC <sherry98@...> wrote: Hi All

I am having a lot of pain in my lower back, buttocks and hips. It is getting

to the point of me not being able to walk hardly and when I do walk, I have

to walk so slow cause my legs feel so weak. I have another appt with my doc

next week, but I thought I would ask the group what do you think of a cain

or walker? Does anyone use them? Which one would be better?

Thanks in advance.

Sherry in SC

" In order to succeed you must fail, so that you know what not to do the next

time. "

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Anne - I think my creotine level is ok, but I have a high level of uric acid,

acid ash, and calcium. Of course, I've had multiple kidney stones - but now you

have me wondering if somehow the kidney problems and the PA might be related?

I also have a continually high Ph level - extremely acidic and no amount of any

kinds of medication bring it down at all.

Let me know if you find any other link between kidneys and PA.

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Anne - I think my creotine level is ok, but I have a high level of uric acid,

acid ash, and calcium. Of course, I've had multiple kidney stones - but now you

have me wondering if somehow the kidney problems and the PA might be related?

I also have a continually high Ph level - extremely acidic and no amount of any

kinds of medication bring it down at all.

Let me know if you find any other link between kidneys and PA.

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I believe my PA to be from my grandmother, whom also has had gall

stones and had a brother with kidney stones. I've never heard that

it's related to PA, but I've never had them either!

--Merribeth

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I recently had a kidney stone for the first time. Boy was it

painful! My stone was composed of sodium acid urate. My urinary

acid and blood uric acid levels were normal. So far, there is no

explanation of a cause.

None of my doctors have mentioned a relationship to PA. Can you tell

me more?

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I have had kidney stones for the last 15 years and I have P and PA for 23 years.

2 years ago I almost lost a kndney because of a stone. My doctors have denied

that they are related to my P/PA. I have questioned them many times. Maureen

" keithelaine2000 <keithelaine100@...> " <keithelaine100@...>

wrote:Has anyone suffered from kidney stones? I have had problems for the

past 30 years and my Rhumy has just told me that the P and PA and

kidney stones are all related!

Has anyone else suffered too!

Also does any female sufferers find that their 'pains' are worse at

any particular point in their menstrual cycle????

Just wondering!

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I had a kidney stone last year.....I never had a clue that it was related. This

is very interesting. I wonder why this happens. As far as my cycle

goes....being 49...I haven't had one in awhile. Very interesting...

" keithelaine2000 <keithelaine100@...> " <keithelaine100@...>

wrote:Has anyone suffered from kidney stones? I have had problems for the

past 30 years and my Rhumy has just told me that the P and PA and

kidney stones are all related!

Has anyone else suffered too!

Also does any female sufferers find that their 'pains' are worse at

any particular point in their menstrual cycle????

Just wondering!

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hi,

My son who is about 4 is still hitting after about 5months of working on it.

Only now he is not doing it as much. Time outs slow it down so I'm pretty

consistant with that, so is my husband. I also give him a command that is not a

negative(stop hitting), I say hands down so I could say good job. He only seems

to hit when he has to do something he does not like. Since one of those is

getting ready for school, I say to him (he is a little older), if you keep your

hands down and listen and I hold my ear, you get candy. I hasn't stopped but

has slow down a lot and thinks about it before he does it sometimes. trying to

stop bad behavior its always good to find something positive to praise them for

like I said use a positive command instead of negative (stop, no,ect). My son

automatically will react when those negatives come out especially with hitting

because you can't ignore that but replace it with a good behavior. try to find

out why he does it? for instance my son was

doing it because he did not wnat to do it, so I replaced it with hands down.

but lets say it for the most part it when the child isn't understood, you try to

give a word or sign for no. another thing you have be consistant. It may not

work for a day or so or completly stop, just be patient

hope this helps,

chris

I work with autistic kids and one of the things parents tell me well I tried

this or that and I ask how long did you do it for, they say once, well try some

of your behavioral techniques at least one day, for some kids, like my stubborn

boy it takes one day for them to realize that you mean bussiness

<lisadavis@...> wrote:

I have a question that hopefully other parents can help me answer. My son

Liam (38 months) has become very aggressive recently. He has been hitting us

(me, my husband, his younger brother) for a while now, but now it has gotten

much worse and he is constantly hitting Elijah and starting to hit other

children at school, which he never did before. He has been dx'd with mixed

developmental delay and DSI. He is intelligent but doesn't understand many

basic things. We have tried many things, from time outs to taking away

favorite toys to separating the two boys, with no results. He just continues

to hit and be aggressive. I have resorted to yelling, which is of course

getting us nowhere as well. I'm going a little crazy because we can't go

anywhere, even to the park, because he just goes up and hits other children.

Nor can we just stay at home, because he just attacks me and his brother all

day. I would love advice to help improve this situation. It just seems to be

getting worse every day.

Thank you,

Mom to Liam (38 mos) and Elijah (18 mos)

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Another possibility is working on a sound/word/phrase (depending on your child's

verbal ability) to use instead of hands. When Josh couldn't say any words, and

he would hit, we would hold his hands down and remind him to " be gentle " - he

soon started saying the word " genta. " Unfortunately, he would say that

sometimes right after hitting so we thought maybe, with the sensory issues, he

didn't really know the difference between hitting and a gentle touch (except for

the reaction he would get for each) so we would take his hands and stroke our

cheek (or pet the dog, whatever was needed) and say " be gentle. " He soon got

the idea and the hitting lessened (he was concurrently increasing his vocabulary

with signs or words which just reinforced our idea that the hitting was out of

frustration). It took forever for us to get school personnel to use the phrase

" be gentle " rather than " be nice " - " nice " is an emotion that is hard to explain

or show to a kid but " gentle " can be demonstrated

by the type of touch. They finally got on board and it helped at school also.

There are times he still hits, and times we simply don't know why until we

really examine a situation. There always is a reason and it has never been out

of malice. We also worked on " I'm mad " instead of hitting - he gets that one

pretty well (LOL!).

Sherry

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Sherri,

That is very interesting. We currently use the word " nice " which he

understands and he strokes our arm, etc. Maybe " gentle " is better to

use. Thanks

Carla

> Another possibility is working on a sound/word/phrase (depending on

your child's verbal ability) to use instead of hands. When Josh

couldn't say any words, and he would hit, we would hold his hands

down and remind him to " be gentle " - he soon started saying the

word " genta. " Unfortunately, he would say that sometimes right after

hitting so we thought maybe, with the sensory issues, he didn't

really know the difference between hitting and a gentle touch (except

for the reaction he would get for each) so we would take his hands

and stroke our cheek (or pet the dog, whatever was needed) and

say " be gentle. " He soon got the idea and the hitting lessened (he

was concurrently increasing his vocabulary with signs or words which

just reinforced our idea that the hitting was out of frustration).

It took forever for us to get school personnel to use the phrase " be

gentle " rather than " be nice " - " nice " is an emotion that is hard to

explain or show to a kid but " gentle " can be demonstrated

> by the type of touch. They finally got on board and it helped at

school also.

> There are times he still hits, and times we simply don't know why

until we really examine a situation. There always is a reason and it

has never been out of malice. We also worked on " I'm mad " instead of

hitting - he gets that one pretty well (LOL!).

>

> Sherry

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Positional plagiocephaly and torticollis are strongly

linked together. Usually it is the torticollis which

will cause the plagiocephaly to develop the first

months of life. It would be nice if you could post

pictures on this web site of your baby's head to see

what other parents think about the severity of the

plagiocephaly.

--- christinayuhasz <christinayuhasz@...> wrote:

> My son who is 3 months old has torticollis and

> positional

> plagiocephaly. We will start pt for his torticolls

> next week. (I just

> found out about it) But my question is about his

> positional

> plagiocephaly I am not sure I should have him fitted

> for a helmet or

> not me doctor told me that most likely it will fix

> it's self I am

> having a hard time deciding what todo. DO I get the

> helmet we " it will

> probably fix it's self " Or do I take a chance and

> not do it? He has

> been through so much I hate to make the poor guy put

> up with a helmet

> he does not need. Did any of you guys face this what

> did you do and

> are you glad you did it? Also does any one know if

> positional

> plagiocephaly and torticollis are linked?

> Thank you for your time

>

>

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Your son is young so you can try repositioning him to get him off his flat

spot and see if that helps the shape of his head. The files section has

some great repo tips -

Plagiocephaly/files/Repositioning%20Hea

dquarters/

If after a month or two of repo you aren't seeing any results and you are

not happy with the shape of your son's head then you should definitely

pursue getting a band. . So many people here have heard the same thing

from their doctors, that their head shape will fix itself on its own, and

were disappointed to see that months or years later there was no change in

the head shape. We have all struggled with the decision of whether or not

to band and I think that most people have been happy with their decision to

band. I know that we were :>)

Molly

California

Nicolas, 21.5 months, tort & plagio, STARband 4/25/06-9/12/06, Graduate!

, 4

, 7.5

I have a question

My son who is 3 months old has torticollis and positional plagiocephaly. We

will start pt for his torticolls next week. (I just found out about it) But

my question is about his positional plagiocephaly I am not sure I should

have him fitted for a helmet or not me doctor told me that most likely it

will fix it's self I am having a hard time deciding what todo. DO I get the

helmet we " it will probably fix it's self " Or do I take a chance and not do

it? He has been through so much I hate to make the poor guy put up with a

helmet he does not need. Did any of you guys face this what did you do and

are you glad you did it? Also does any one know if positional plagiocephaly

and torticollis are linked? Thank you for your time

For more plagio info

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To answer your question about Torticollis and positional plagiocephaly

they are linked. It just ends up being a never ending battle. The

head will turn a certain direction because of torticollis and then the

head flattens on that side, then even if the torticollis gets better

the head naturally falls on that side. To me it was very frustrating.

My son just received his band last Friday and it is no big deal. I am

so happy we are doing it. I don't want to ever take the chance that it

will round it. I believe and from what I hear from everyone else on

this board it will not round out.

Kris

Sam DOC Band 7/20 5 1/2 months

>

> My son who is 3 months old has torticollis and positional

> plagiocephaly. We will start pt for his torticolls next week. (I just

> found out about it) But my question is about his positional

> plagiocephaly I am not sure I should have him fitted for a helmet or

> not me doctor told me that most likely it will fix it's self I am

> having a hard time deciding what todo. DO I get the helmet we " it will

> probably fix it's self " Or do I take a chance and not do it? He has

> been through so much I hate to make the poor guy put up with a helmet

> he does not need. Did any of you guys face this what did you do and

> are you glad you did it? Also does any one know if positional

> plagiocephaly and torticollis are linked?

> Thank you for your time

>

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Yes, positional plagiocephaly and torticollis are very often linked. That was the case for my son. The tort makes it difficult for the baby to turn his head in one direction, so they spend the majority of their time laying facing the side where the muscles aren't so tight. And then they can develop a flat spot on the side they lay on all the time. I agree with the other reply that said you could try repositioning techniques since your son is so young. Colleen mom to Logan 7 mos - Starband gradchristinayuhasz <christinayuhasz@...> wrote: My son who is 3 months old has torticollis and positionalplagiocephaly. We will start pt for his torticolls next week. (I justfound out about it) But my question is about his positionalplagiocephaly I am not sure I should have him fitted for a helmet ornot me doctor told me that most likely it will fix it's self I amhaving a hard time deciding what todo. DO I get the helmet we "it willprobably fix it's self" Or do I take a chance and not do it? He hasbeen through so much I hate to make the poor guy put up with a helmethe does not need. Did any of you guys face this what did you do andare you glad you did it? Also does any one know if positionalplagiocephaly and torticollis are linked?Thank you for your time

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My son had the same conditions. We did decide to band. If you have

questions I would first go to the FREE consult with Cranial

Technologies. They can tell you the severity of the conditions, and

if your son needs treatment or not. The next step would, of course,

be to evaluate your insurance coverage. Persoanlly, because of the

limited window of opportuinity (4 months -12 months) for your son to

be banded and have it be effective, regardless of insurance coverage

or recommendations from a general ped without experience in this area,

I would move forward. From my reserach and experience there are no

negative effects, however, the positive outcome is worth the time and

expense. Spend some time doing research and talking to a specilist.

This is a tough decision, but worth it. Good luck.

>

> My son who is 3 months old has torticollis and positional

> plagiocephaly. We will start pt for his torticolls next week. (I just

> found out about it) But my question is about his positional

> plagiocephaly I am not sure I should have him fitted for a helmet or

> not me doctor told me that most likely it will fix it's self I am

> having a hard time deciding what todo. DO I get the helmet we " it

will

> probably fix it's self " Or do I take a chance and not do it? He has

> been through so much I hate to make the poor guy put up with a helmet

> he does not need. Did any of you guys face this what did you do and

> are you glad you did it? Also does any one know if positional

> plagiocephaly and torticollis are linked?

> Thank you for your time

>

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Plagio and Tort are linked - though you can have just one or the other. When a baby has tort the head turns one way and that causes the extra pressure on just one spot of the head.

At 3 mo. you have a bit of time to decide to band or not - but not that much! The earlier you band the fast the correction. Many drs will say that it will round on it's own. I wasn't foing to take that as an aswer b/c what if it didn't and we got to 18 month old and it was too late to do anything? For us, we wanted to do all we could to help our baby and if there was no change at the end of treatment then we knew that at least we tried - I didn't want to have any regreats about any of my choices - and we don't! Our dd has tort and had plagio - she had 2 bands and her noggin is so much better!

You can go to a Cranial Tech or other band provider to get a (free) evaluation and let them tell you if your baby would benefit from a band. You can also get a referral to a Craniofacial dr to get evaluated.

HTH!

Jen and Luli - 19 mo.

Left Tort - Right Plagio - Hanger Band Grad - CA

tallulah jayne

www.babiesonline.com/babies/j/jens5th/

I have a question

My son who is 3 months old has torticollis and positional

plagiocephaly. We will start pt for his torticolls next week. (I just

found out about it) But my question is about his positional

plagiocephaly I am not sure I should have him fitted for a helmet or

not me doctor told me that most likely it will fix it's self I am

having a hard time deciding what todo. DO I get the helmet we "it will

probably fix it's self" Or do I take a chance and not do it? He has

been through so much I hate to make the poor guy put up with a helmet

he does not need. Did any of you guys face this what did you do and

are you glad you did it? Also does any one know if positional

plagiocephaly and torticollis are linked?

Thank you for your time

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