Re: Panic attacks and cause

[Guest guest]

I am wondering if anybody can tell me the mechanics by which mercury

can (or does) cause panic attacks?

Thanks,

Inga

[Guest guest]

I am wondering if anybody can tell me the mechanics by which mercury

can (or does) cause panic attacks?

Thanks,

Inga

[Guest guest]

>

> I am wondering if anybody can tell me the mechanics by which mercury

> can (or does) cause panic attacks?

> Thanks,

> Inga

>

Most likely through adrenal insufficiency. Mercury effects the outer

layers of the gland cortisol heads down brain realiezes it can't cope

and here comes the adrenaline. Another possibility is a hidden copper

toxicity caused by mercury (derranged mineral transport) and or genetic

reasons that caused you to accumalate mercury in the first place.

[Guest guest]

>

> I am wondering if anybody can tell me the mechanics by which mercury

> can (or does) cause panic attacks?

> Thanks,

> Inga

>

Most likely through adrenal insufficiency. Mercury effects the outer

layers of the gland cortisol heads down brain realiezes it can't cope

and here comes the adrenaline. Another possibility is a hidden copper

toxicity caused by mercury (derranged mineral transport) and or genetic

reasons that caused you to accumalate mercury in the first place.

[Guest guest]

>

> I am wondering if anybody can tell me the mechanics by which mercury

> can (or does) cause panic attacks?

> Thanks,

> Inga

>

Most likely through adrenal insufficiency. Mercury effects the outer

layers of the gland cortisol heads down brain realiezes it can't cope

and here comes the adrenaline. Another possibility is a hidden copper

toxicity caused by mercury (derranged mineral transport) and or genetic

reasons that caused you to accumalate mercury in the first place.

[Guest guest]

Okay, the reason I asked is although I have continually said that I

dont't think I have ever had a panic attack, despite illness and

terible " attacks " of some sort that seem to hve returned only ot with

as much frequency as I used to have.

But THEN - I think had a full blown panic attack the other night,

when I found myself in a slightly stresfull situation. (Car got

stuck out in the snow at night down on the hiway....10 degrees

outside, and with a weak heart and not feelng well altely, there was

no way I could make it up the hll to where I live) I couldn't move,

felt like I was not oxygenating, heart was rapid, I could harldy talk

at all.....felt like this was my last hour, so to speak. the

landlords lived only about 200 feet away and somehow I managed to

struggle over there a let out a few very faint " helps " .

So I did some investigating on panic attacks and found the Linden

method that says that panic attacks are totally regulated by a part

of the brain called the amygdala....and that their program can teach

you how to fix this as it is behavioral conditioning of your own

mind. Well, I ordered the materials for it, and they say that their

program works 100%, but in order for it to work, you must absolutly

beleive that there is NOTHING actually wrong with you.

So here I am...if I had a paic attacks, according to them, it is all

controleld by the amygdala and I msut convince mysefl that it is all

in my head to get well.

So this is why I am asking about the mechianics of a panic atack and

how mercury can cause it.

I also belive that my adreanals have porbably gone downhill badly, so

perhaps your explanaton is the best one, I jsut need to know, becasue

if I talk to their counsellors, they say that panic attacks are

stricly NOT an illness. So which to believe.....sigh...what is

REALLY going on?

It has gotten so bad, that I am wondering if I have soehow been

living in one bad semi-panic attack for a long time now....I jsut

don't know.....\

I forget ......where do I find how to tell if you have hidden copper

toxicity?

~Inga

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[Guest guest]

>So I did some investigating on panic attacks and found the Linden

>method that says that panic attacks are totally regulated by a part

>of the brain called the amygdala....and that their program can teach

>you how to fix this as it is behavioral conditioning of your own

>mind. Well, I ordered the materials for it, and they say that their

>program works 100%, but in order for it to work, you must absolutly

>beleive that there is NOTHING actually wrong with you.

>So here I am...if I had a panic attacks, according to them, it is all

>controlled by the amygdala and I msut convince mysefl that it is all

>in my head to get well.

>So this is why I am asking about the mechianics of a panic atack and

>how mercury can cause it.

Hi Inga, So sorry to hear your story.

There is no reason to assume that mercury does not also target the amygdala. If

it gets stuck there (or any toxin) it could activate irrational unconscious fear

mechanisms. So there can be a physical reason (mercury) that these people

(lindon method) may not understand.

The damage could have even happened as an infant (vaccines), or in utero (mom's

amalgams) and only be coming out now. As I understand it the amygdala controls

unconscious fear. I spoke to a researcher that took what is called Functional

MRI's of babies that were being circumcised. They Functional MRI shows up where

activity in the brain is and what portion of the brain is damaged. The

circumcised babies showed permanent damage in the amygdala.

But these powerful unconscious fears are held back by the conscious mind, and

only released when the conscious mind is ready to deal with them, or too weak to

hold them back.

Have you considered hypnotherapy?

I wonder if Functional MRI's would be of any value in helping people with

mercury poisoning figure out where any damage is.

I worked with a person who was similar symptoms to you. We could not get hold of

Desiccated Thyroid, so instead she used a Thyroid Glandular (which apparently

according to the company does not contain hormones and only initiates repair).

All her symptoms lessened immediately and the severe ones disappeared.

Dean

[Guest guest]

>So I did some investigating on panic attacks and found the Linden

>method that says that panic attacks are totally regulated by a part

>of the brain called the amygdala....and that their program can teach

>you how to fix this as it is behavioral conditioning of your own

>mind. Well, I ordered the materials for it, and they say that their

>program works 100%, but in order for it to work, you must absolutly

>beleive that there is NOTHING actually wrong with you.

>So here I am...if I had a panic attacks, according to them, it is all

>controlled by the amygdala and I msut convince mysefl that it is all

>in my head to get well.

>So this is why I am asking about the mechianics of a panic atack and

>how mercury can cause it.

Hi Inga, So sorry to hear your story.

There is no reason to assume that mercury does not also target the amygdala. If

it gets stuck there (or any toxin) it could activate irrational unconscious fear

mechanisms. So there can be a physical reason (mercury) that these people

(lindon method) may not understand.

The damage could have even happened as an infant (vaccines), or in utero (mom's

amalgams) and only be coming out now. As I understand it the amygdala controls

unconscious fear. I spoke to a researcher that took what is called Functional

MRI's of babies that were being circumcised. They Functional MRI shows up where

activity in the brain is and what portion of the brain is damaged. The

circumcised babies showed permanent damage in the amygdala.

But these powerful unconscious fears are held back by the conscious mind, and

only released when the conscious mind is ready to deal with them, or too weak to

hold them back.

Have you considered hypnotherapy?

I wonder if Functional MRI's would be of any value in helping people with

mercury poisoning figure out where any damage is.

I worked with a person who was similar symptoms to you. We could not get hold of

Desiccated Thyroid, so instead she used a Thyroid Glandular (which apparently

according to the company does not contain hormones and only initiates repair).

All her symptoms lessened immediately and the severe ones disappeared.

Dean

[Guest guest]

>So I did some investigating on panic attacks and found the Linden

>method that says that panic attacks are totally regulated by a part

>of the brain called the amygdala....and that their program can teach

>you how to fix this as it is behavioral conditioning of your own

>mind. Well, I ordered the materials for it, and they say that their

>program works 100%, but in order for it to work, you must absolutly

>beleive that there is NOTHING actually wrong with you.

>So here I am...if I had a panic attacks, according to them, it is all

>controlled by the amygdala and I msut convince mysefl that it is all

>in my head to get well.

>So this is why I am asking about the mechianics of a panic atack and

>how mercury can cause it.

Hi Inga, So sorry to hear your story.

There is no reason to assume that mercury does not also target the amygdala. If

it gets stuck there (or any toxin) it could activate irrational unconscious fear

mechanisms. So there can be a physical reason (mercury) that these people

(lindon method) may not understand.

The damage could have even happened as an infant (vaccines), or in utero (mom's

amalgams) and only be coming out now. As I understand it the amygdala controls

unconscious fear. I spoke to a researcher that took what is called Functional

MRI's of babies that were being circumcised. They Functional MRI shows up where

activity in the brain is and what portion of the brain is damaged. The

circumcised babies showed permanent damage in the amygdala.

But these powerful unconscious fears are held back by the conscious mind, and

only released when the conscious mind is ready to deal with them, or too weak to

hold them back.

Have you considered hypnotherapy?

I wonder if Functional MRI's would be of any value in helping people with

mercury poisoning figure out where any damage is.

I worked with a person who was similar symptoms to you. We could not get hold of

Desiccated Thyroid, so instead she used a Thyroid Glandular (which apparently

according to the company does not contain hormones and only initiates repair).

All her symptoms lessened immediately and the severe ones disappeared.

Dean

[Guest guest]

Mercury interfers with endocrine function in the body. This include

adrenal function. And low adrenals are known to cause panic attacks.

Mercury will keep your body from using thyroid hormones, estrogen

etc. In repsonse your adrenals try to take over the burden, but burn

themselves out. Mercury is the only metal known to affect adrenal

function. I suffered from them for many years. They are not all in

your head, and I can't beleive anyone would tell you that you can

psych yourself out of having them.

Removing metal fillings, treating for adrenal fatigue will likely

yeild results. I would get a hair elements test from Doctors Data

Inc and see what metals you have. Panic attacks are what is supposed

to happen in a crisis, and your adrenals cause it. It was designed

to create the fight or flight in life threatening situations.

However, in adrenal fatigue, these hormones that create that are

being released for no good reason. Thus you are fighting or

flighting when your not in danger. I also noted that mercury seems

to cause paranoid thoughts which further feed the panic.

>

> I am wondering if anybody can tell me the mechanics by which

mercury

> can (or does) cause panic attacks?

> Thanks,

> Inga

>

[Guest guest]

Mercury interfers with endocrine function in the body. This include

adrenal function. And low adrenals are known to cause panic attacks.

Mercury will keep your body from using thyroid hormones, estrogen

etc. In repsonse your adrenals try to take over the burden, but burn

themselves out. Mercury is the only metal known to affect adrenal

function. I suffered from them for many years. They are not all in

your head, and I can't beleive anyone would tell you that you can

psych yourself out of having them.

Removing metal fillings, treating for adrenal fatigue will likely

yeild results. I would get a hair elements test from Doctors Data

Inc and see what metals you have. Panic attacks are what is supposed

to happen in a crisis, and your adrenals cause it. It was designed

to create the fight or flight in life threatening situations.

However, in adrenal fatigue, these hormones that create that are

being released for no good reason. Thus you are fighting or

flighting when your not in danger. I also noted that mercury seems

to cause paranoid thoughts which further feed the panic.

>

> I am wondering if anybody can tell me the mechanics by which

mercury

> can (or does) cause panic attacks?

> Thanks,

> Inga

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Okay, the reason I asked is although I have continually said that I

> dont't think I have ever had a panic attack, despite illness and

> terible " attacks " of some sort that seem to hve returned only ot with

> as much frequency as I used to have.

>

> But THEN - I think had a full blown panic attack the other night,

> when I found myself in a slightly stresfull situation. (Car got

> stuck out in the snow at night down on the hiway....10 degrees

> outside, and with a weak heart and not feelng well altely, there was

> no way I could make it up the hll to where I live) I couldn't move,

> felt like I was not oxygenating, heart was rapid, I could harldy talk

> at all.....felt like this was my last hour, so to speak. the

> landlords lived only about 200 feet away and somehow I managed to

> struggle over there a let out a few very faint " helps " .

Hi Inga,

I'm sorry you went through this. Even someone who doesn't have a

general problem with panic attacks could get one in this situation,

mercury or no mercury, especially if they are tired and stressed to

begin with.

That said, I'm sure having mercury would make this even more likely.

Mercury could be causing adrenal fatigue leading to panic. Mercury

could be in parts of the brain and cause panic attacks that way.

Mercury could be in the liver and cause chemical sensitivity leading

to symptoms like panic attacks. Lots of ways mercury could

contribute.

> So I did some investigating on panic attacks and found the Linden

> method that says that panic attacks are totally regulated by a part

> of the brain called the amygdala....and that their program can teach

> you how to fix this as it is behavioral conditioning of your own

> mind. Well, I ordered the materials for it, and they say that their

> program works 100%, but in order for it to work, you must absolutly

> beleive that there is NOTHING actually wrong with you.

Well, this is one theory. There is another theory that some people

are sensitive to the accumulation of lactic acid and when they get

too much of it (for example, from exercise) they are prone to panic

attacks. Another theory says that some people are just very

sensitive on a psychological level to the physiological changes in

their body due to stress, and they interpret these changes as bad

and scary and this snowballs into a panic attack. And I'm sure

there are other theories.

I had my first panic attack when I was about 8, and I've been through

periods of extremely bad and frequent panic attacks and less frequent

and less extreme panic attacks. I have had lots and lots and lots

of talk therapy, drugs, done yoga and breathing exercises, played

with diet and supplements, treated my adrenals, and of course I'm

chelating.

I consider myself a bit of an expert on panic attacks

One of the best theories I have learned about is that panic

attacks can happen because you are breathing the wrong way.

There may be an initial trigger (stressful event, toxin, brain

issue or whatever), but the problem gets way out of hand because

you respond to that trigger by overbreathing. You tend to open

your mouth, take bigger, " wider " , slightly faster breaths and

this changes the ratio of oxygen and carbon dioxide in your

system, leading to a full-blown panic attack. Some people call

this over-breathing or chronic hyperventilation. The changes

in breathing are subtle and you don't notice that you are doing

this until things get really out of hand.

I think this happens with lots of people, no matter what the

original trigger of the panic/anxiety. There are probably

different ways to approach treatment for this particular

problem and you might want to search for the keywords " chronic

hyperventilation " to learn more about this.

The trouble is that a lot of doctors will think this is the

only problem and more or less " blame " the patient for breathing

wrong, when in fact it is a pretty natural reaction to stress.

I can't tell you how many times I went to an emergency room

during some of the bad panic phases of my life and they just

treated me like a nut-case and told me I was hyperventilating.

Well, I " got that " pretty quickly, but I also " got " that I started

hyperventilating for some other reason and that part was not my

fault.

So what I'm saying is learning to " breath right " helps a lot,

no matter if mercury or another toxin or some problem in the

brain or some problem in the endocrine system is the real

trigger for the anxiety/panic.

I also think all of the other theories have a little bit of

truth to them. Toxins (mercury and/or other toxins) are probably

a big culprit for most people. And any of the treatments for panic

could be of some help - whether you believe their theory or not.

For most of my life I tried to believe all the crap from my mother

and my doctors and my therapists that I was just misinterpreting the

physiological effects in my body and I had to sort of re-train

myself to believe that nothing was wrong and these feelings were

all normal.

In a way this helped me get through them, but there was a really

big downside. When I got into major adrenal problems (which has

happened about three times in my life), I just tried to believe

nothing was physically wrong and I applied what I call " brute force

of will " to get to the other side of the bad feelings.

Well, I'm not dead. But I have to say I think I've brushed up

against it a few times. All because I had taught myself to believe

there was anything physically wrong. I have the impression from

your posts in the past that you have some similar experiences, so

maybe panic is an issue for you (even if some of the other things

are also true, like heart and adrenal issues).

> So here I am...if I had a paic attacks, according to them, it is all

> controleld by the amygdala and I msut convince mysefl that it is all

> in my head to get well.

> So this is why I am asking about the mechianics of a panic atack and

> how mercury can cause it.

Mercury in the brain is one possibility, but since adrenal issues

have been a problem for you, that is something you can't dismiss

without either testing, or at least reviewing symptoms.

And since you believe there are heart issues too, that is something

not to rule out (unless you can rule it with medical testing).

I have found that adrenal support helps a lot, but is not the

only issue. I probably have both brain and liver issues, too.

> I also belive that my adreanals have porbably gone downhill badly, so

> perhaps your explanaton is the best one, I jsut need to know, becasue

> if I talk to their counsellors, they say that panic attacks are

> stricly NOT an illness. So which to believe.....sigh...what is

> REALLY going on?

It is not important to believe any one thing. Their treatment

might offer you some help whether you believe their theory or

not. You are the only one who can decide if there is something

about this particular approach that resonates with you.

I still find it is helpful sometimes to " believe nothing is

really wrong " , as long as I am alert to the signs that maybe it

is really a current toxin exposure or an adrenal crash or other

physical problem. You have to keep educating yourself and becoming

an expert on this so that you can decide when it makes sense to

" ride it out " and when it makes sense to get some treatment or

testing to rule out a serious adrenal issue or heart problem or

whatever.

Unfortunately, I don't think there are any true experts out

there. You have to be your own expert, just like with mercury.

> It has gotten so bad, that I am wondering if I have soehow been

> living in one bad semi-panic attack for a long time now....I jsut

> don't know.....\

Could be.

> I forget ......where do I find how to tell if you have hidden copper

> toxicity?

Try searching the archives for " hidden copper " . I think Dean and/or

I and/or someone else has posted some of the signs of hidden copper.

If you can't find this, let me know and I will look.

--

[Guest guest]

Great post by on panic attacks, etc. I just wanted to add that on

Stage 3 of the Adrenal Stress Index link here, they mention this stage often

produces anxiety or even panic attacks. This is also the stage where they

mention the strange combination of having anxiety and exhaustion at the same

time, or I have heard it called being " wired and tired " .

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

Jackie T.

(I'm going to delete the old post which is getting really long.)

.._,___

[Guest guest]

This sounds like very much where I have been at this last week. I was

rushed to emergency last night, and of course, they had no interest

in looking at the adrenals and were happy to see that my thyroid's

TSH was nicely at 3.71,(argh!) as I had been taking this " quacky

stuff " called Armour.

I also boned up on the equivalent of about 45 mg of HC yesterday and

took 30 mg HC (actually 7.5 mg prednisolone) today and am doing much

better, but otherwise, I had a panic attack that started last tuesday

night and lasted until I totally crashed and burned in the ER last

nigh. Would they have thought to give me hydrocortisone? Oh

no.....them poopheads. They don't even test for that....even though I

was peeing about every 30 minutes.....

~Inga

Great post by on panic attacks, etc. I just wanted to add

that on Stage 3 of the Adrenal Stress Index link here, they mention

this stage often produces anxiety or even panic attacks. This is also

the stage where they mention the strange combination of having

anxiety and exhaustion at the same time, or I have heard it called

being " wired and tired " .

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

Jackie T.

(I'm going to delete the old post which is getting really long.)

.._,___

..

[Guest guest]

This sounds like very much where I have been at this last week. I was

rushed to emergency last night, and of course, they had no interest

in looking at the adrenals and were happy to see that my thyroid's

TSH was nicely at 3.71,(argh!) as I had been taking this " quacky

stuff " called Armour.

I also boned up on the equivalent of about 45 mg of HC yesterday and

took 30 mg HC (actually 7.5 mg prednisolone) today and am doing much

better, but otherwise, I had a panic attack that started last tuesday

night and lasted until I totally crashed and burned in the ER last

nigh. Would they have thought to give me hydrocortisone? Oh

no.....them poopheads. They don't even test for that....even though I

was peeing about every 30 minutes.....

~Inga

Great post by on panic attacks, etc. I just wanted to add

that on Stage 3 of the Adrenal Stress Index link here, they mention

this stage often produces anxiety or even panic attacks. This is also

the stage where they mention the strange combination of having

anxiety and exhaustion at the same time, or I have heard it called

being " wired and tired " .

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

Jackie T.

(I'm going to delete the old post which is getting really long.)

.._,___

..

[Guest guest]

This sounds like very much where I have been at this last week. I was

rushed to emergency last night, and of course, they had no interest

in looking at the adrenals and were happy to see that my thyroid's

TSH was nicely at 3.71,(argh!) as I had been taking this " quacky

stuff " called Armour.

I also boned up on the equivalent of about 45 mg of HC yesterday and

took 30 mg HC (actually 7.5 mg prednisolone) today and am doing much

better, but otherwise, I had a panic attack that started last tuesday

night and lasted until I totally crashed and burned in the ER last

nigh. Would they have thought to give me hydrocortisone? Oh

no.....them poopheads. They don't even test for that....even though I

was peeing about every 30 minutes.....

~Inga

Great post by on panic attacks, etc. I just wanted to add

that on Stage 3 of the Adrenal Stress Index link here, they mention

this stage often produces anxiety or even panic attacks. This is also

the stage where they mention the strange combination of having

anxiety and exhaustion at the same time, or I have heard it called

being " wired and tired " .

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

Jackie T.

(I'm going to delete the old post which is getting really long.)

.._,___

..