Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 > > Why cant we do emergency c sections in the field as a paramedic I am > sure we could do it just as well as a Doctor if we are trained and > have the proper protocols. > - If you're trained and protocoled, you could. The liability would be enormous, but you could. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 > > Why cant we do emergency c sections in the field as a paramedic I am > sure we could do it just as well as a Doctor if we are trained and > have the proper protocols. > - If you're trained and protocoled, you could. The liability would be enormous, but you could. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Not being one to stir the pot I still feel the need to say that I have had a number of patients with broken hips who were very calm and reliably cooperative--the broken hip was not distracting. I'm with Gene on this point. My back hurts if I have to lay flat for more than a few minutes on ANY KIND of surface. I don't own a Glock, but if I did i'm afraid I would have to use it before you would put me on a backboard unless I was convinced that I had a spinal injury. Maxine Pate ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:49:44 -0000 > > > wegandy1938@a... wrote: > > > > If I fall and break my hip, or if my hip breaks > and I fall, and I'm > moving > > everything and can tell you that my c-spine is OK, > and you try to > force me onto > > an unpadded long board, you'd better find and > relieve me of my Glock > Model 21, > > 'cause I'll shoot yer ass if you try to do that to > me. > > Sorry to break the news to you Gene, but you just > got caught in your > own tangled web. You see, your broken hip is a > " distracting painful > injury " which renders my physical examination > " unreliable " under the > Maine Protocol. That means you get backboarded > because you are > incapable of reliably telling me if your have spinal > pain. > > If this were a game of chess, instead of the mental > masturbation it > has become, I believe at this point you would be in > " check. " > > > For too long we have fostered the notion that we > > can only function through rigid protocols, > concrete thinking, and > unyielding > > medical control because we have failed to manifest > the abilities to > function as > > independent critical thinkers. > > If I didn't know better, I would swear you were > talking about me, and > not somebody who believes that the rigid, black and > white cookbook > known as the " Maine Protocol " is the state of the > art. > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Not being one to stir the pot I still feel the need to say that I have had a number of patients with broken hips who were very calm and reliably cooperative--the broken hip was not distracting. I'm with Gene on this point. My back hurts if I have to lay flat for more than a few minutes on ANY KIND of surface. I don't own a Glock, but if I did i'm afraid I would have to use it before you would put me on a backboard unless I was convinced that I had a spinal injury. Maxine Pate ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:49:44 -0000 > > > wegandy1938@a... wrote: > > > > If I fall and break my hip, or if my hip breaks > and I fall, and I'm > moving > > everything and can tell you that my c-spine is OK, > and you try to > force me onto > > an unpadded long board, you'd better find and > relieve me of my Glock > Model 21, > > 'cause I'll shoot yer ass if you try to do that to > me. > > Sorry to break the news to you Gene, but you just > got caught in your > own tangled web. You see, your broken hip is a > " distracting painful > injury " which renders my physical examination > " unreliable " under the > Maine Protocol. That means you get backboarded > because you are > incapable of reliably telling me if your have spinal > pain. > > If this were a game of chess, instead of the mental > masturbation it > has become, I believe at this point you would be in > " check. " > > > For too long we have fostered the notion that we > > can only function through rigid protocols, > concrete thinking, and > unyielding > > medical control because we have failed to manifest > the abilities to > function as > > independent critical thinkers. > > If I didn't know better, I would swear you were > talking about me, and > not somebody who believes that the rigid, black and > white cookbook > known as the " Maine Protocol " is the state of the > art. > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Not being one to stir the pot I still feel the need to say that I have had a number of patients with broken hips who were very calm and reliably cooperative--the broken hip was not distracting. I'm with Gene on this point. My back hurts if I have to lay flat for more than a few minutes on ANY KIND of surface. I don't own a Glock, but if I did i'm afraid I would have to use it before you would put me on a backboard unless I was convinced that I had a spinal injury. Maxine Pate ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:49:44 -0000 > > > wegandy1938@a... wrote: > > > > If I fall and break my hip, or if my hip breaks > and I fall, and I'm > moving > > everything and can tell you that my c-spine is OK, > and you try to > force me onto > > an unpadded long board, you'd better find and > relieve me of my Glock > Model 21, > > 'cause I'll shoot yer ass if you try to do that to > me. > > Sorry to break the news to you Gene, but you just > got caught in your > own tangled web. You see, your broken hip is a > " distracting painful > injury " which renders my physical examination > " unreliable " under the > Maine Protocol. That means you get backboarded > because you are > incapable of reliably telling me if your have spinal > pain. > > If this were a game of chess, instead of the mental > masturbation it > has become, I believe at this point you would be in > " check. " > > > For too long we have fostered the notion that we > > can only function through rigid protocols, > concrete thinking, and > unyielding > > medical control because we have failed to manifest > the abilities to > function as > > independent critical thinkers. > > If I didn't know better, I would swear you were > talking about me, and > not somebody who believes that the rigid, black and > white cookbook > known as the " Maine Protocol " is the state of the > art. > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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