Interesting Site RE: EMS Scope of Practice

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Is this something of significance?

>>> ExLngHrn@... 12/7/2004 9:32:02 AM >>>

http://www.emsscopeofpractice.org/

Please view the project team. I noticed one employee of UT Southwestern

on the project team.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT

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Yikes! He found us out. And after we hid the information so

well...on a public internet web site.

Quick, all UT Southwestern instructors...grab your cyanide

capsules! Don't be taken alive.

Kenny Navarro

>> http://www.emsscopeofpractice.org/ Please view the project

team. I noticed one employee of UT Southwestern on the project team.

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Comments below:

>> Kenny, I have a question from an outsider looking in. Why is it

that your strong views about EMS education have basically been

dormant until the new EMS Scope of Practice emerged? <<

Ask anyone who knows me and I think you'll find my strong views on

any subject have never been dormant. I don't usually post on this

listserver because I don't think (in general) that it solves many

problems. The only reason I responded originally is because some

people were posting things that simply were not true. I don't mind

folks having a different opinion but it needs to be based on

reality, not misrepresentations.

>> I have agreed with most of what you have said, but to proclaim

yourself as such a strong advocate for EMS education and increasing

amounts of education, where have you been for the last five years or

more years. Are you really part of the on-going solution? <<

I've been trying to clean up my own backyard. And, by the way, the

BioTel system is not anywhere near as bad as some would have you

believe. My backyard is actually doing very well.

>> Are you a member of EMSAT or some other organization that can

make changes? Do you voice your opinion at the GETAC meetings or

the EMS or Education subcommittees? <<

I am a member of EMSAT, although I don't know how much political

clout is there. I am a member of the NAEMSE. I do voice my opinion

to the EMS subcommittee. I'm always lurking about even if you can't

always see me.

>> It is real easy for us to jump on a band wagon when our

supervisors are so close to an issue and an issue has strong

influence over our jobs for many years to come. <<

I am not for the SoP because of my boss or because of any perceived

influence over my job. As others on this list have mentioned, the

colleges and universities having very little to gain (financially)

by the SoP. BTW, my supervisor is the NAEMSE representative to the

Task Force, not a member of the Administrative Team or the Technical

Advisory Group. The Task force is a collection of representatives

from various stakeholders including NREMT, ACEP, AAA, NAEMT, ACS,

IAFF, AAP, IAFC, NAEMSP, and CoAEMSP.

I will have my job as long as there is a UTSW Medical School with or

without the SoP.

>> We all must unite and formulate a document that is workable for

the State of Texas. Unfortunately, Texas is so diverse that we will

even have a problem within the State meeting everyone's needs. We

are all going to have to adapt and overcome for the sake of our

profession and for the goodness of the citizens we serve. <<

I would be willing to give on some of the issues. I've stated from

the very beginning that I thought the final draft would be different

from the first draft. I just want people to decide based on the

truth.

If you and I alone could make the decisions for the State, where

would you be willing to compromise?

Kenny Navarro

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Comments below:

>> Kenny, I have a question from an outsider looking in. Why is it

that your strong views about EMS education have basically been

dormant until the new EMS Scope of Practice emerged? <<

Ask anyone who knows me and I think you'll find my strong views on

any subject have never been dormant. I don't usually post on this

listserver because I don't think (in general) that it solves many

problems. The only reason I responded originally is because some

people were posting things that simply were not true. I don't mind

folks having a different opinion but it needs to be based on

reality, not misrepresentations.

>> I have agreed with most of what you have said, but to proclaim

yourself as such a strong advocate for EMS education and increasing

amounts of education, where have you been for the last five years or

more years. Are you really part of the on-going solution? <<

I've been trying to clean up my own backyard. And, by the way, the

BioTel system is not anywhere near as bad as some would have you

believe. My backyard is actually doing very well.

>> Are you a member of EMSAT or some other organization that can

make changes? Do you voice your opinion at the GETAC meetings or

the EMS or Education subcommittees? <<

I am a member of EMSAT, although I don't know how much political

clout is there. I am a member of the NAEMSE. I do voice my opinion

to the EMS subcommittee. I'm always lurking about even if you can't

always see me.

>> It is real easy for us to jump on a band wagon when our

supervisors are so close to an issue and an issue has strong

influence over our jobs for many years to come. <<

I am not for the SoP because of my boss or because of any perceived

influence over my job. As others on this list have mentioned, the

colleges and universities having very little to gain (financially)

by the SoP. BTW, my supervisor is the NAEMSE representative to the

Task Force, not a member of the Administrative Team or the Technical

Advisory Group. The Task force is a collection of representatives

from various stakeholders including NREMT, ACEP, AAA, NAEMT, ACS,

IAFF, AAP, IAFC, NAEMSP, and CoAEMSP.

I will have my job as long as there is a UTSW Medical School with or

without the SoP.

>> We all must unite and formulate a document that is workable for

the State of Texas. Unfortunately, Texas is so diverse that we will

even have a problem within the State meeting everyone's needs. We

are all going to have to adapt and overcome for the sake of our

profession and for the goodness of the citizens we serve. <<

I would be willing to give on some of the issues. I've stated from

the very beginning that I thought the final draft would be different

from the first draft. I just want people to decide based on the

truth.

If you and I alone could make the decisions for the State, where

would you be willing to compromise?

Kenny Navarro

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Comments below:

>> Kenny, I have a question from an outsider looking in. Why is it

that your strong views about EMS education have basically been

dormant until the new EMS Scope of Practice emerged? <<

Ask anyone who knows me and I think you'll find my strong views on

any subject have never been dormant. I don't usually post on this

listserver because I don't think (in general) that it solves many

problems. The only reason I responded originally is because some

people were posting things that simply were not true. I don't mind

folks having a different opinion but it needs to be based on

reality, not misrepresentations.

>> I have agreed with most of what you have said, but to proclaim

yourself as such a strong advocate for EMS education and increasing

amounts of education, where have you been for the last five years or

more years. Are you really part of the on-going solution? <<

I've been trying to clean up my own backyard. And, by the way, the

BioTel system is not anywhere near as bad as some would have you

believe. My backyard is actually doing very well.

>> Are you a member of EMSAT or some other organization that can

make changes? Do you voice your opinion at the GETAC meetings or

the EMS or Education subcommittees? <<

I am a member of EMSAT, although I don't know how much political

clout is there. I am a member of the NAEMSE. I do voice my opinion

to the EMS subcommittee. I'm always lurking about even if you can't

always see me.

>> It is real easy for us to jump on a band wagon when our

supervisors are so close to an issue and an issue has strong

influence over our jobs for many years to come. <<

I am not for the SoP because of my boss or because of any perceived

influence over my job. As others on this list have mentioned, the

colleges and universities having very little to gain (financially)

by the SoP. BTW, my supervisor is the NAEMSE representative to the

Task Force, not a member of the Administrative Team or the Technical

Advisory Group. The Task force is a collection of representatives

from various stakeholders including NREMT, ACEP, AAA, NAEMT, ACS,

IAFF, AAP, IAFC, NAEMSP, and CoAEMSP.

I will have my job as long as there is a UTSW Medical School with or

without the SoP.

>> We all must unite and formulate a document that is workable for

the State of Texas. Unfortunately, Texas is so diverse that we will

even have a problem within the State meeting everyone's needs. We

are all going to have to adapt and overcome for the sake of our

profession and for the goodness of the citizens we serve. <<

I would be willing to give on some of the issues. I've stated from

the very beginning that I thought the final draft would be different

from the first draft. I just want people to decide based on the

truth.

If you and I alone could make the decisions for the State, where

would you be willing to compromise?

Kenny Navarro