Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 At 04:24 PM 4/25/01 +0100, you wrote: > I was amazed at the vehemence of your reply which tended to >mirror your earlier responses to my postings. It appears that you feel you >have the only truth and all else falls short of your all-seeing eye. I am >sorry you have chosen to communicate in this fashion and hope your >overbearence is not your main characterisitic, as many will be afraid to >convey their own views due to the intemperance shown by you to those who >might choose to differ. I shall, however, attempt to put my views and >thoughts over in a more pleasant and productive fashion. I have no need to >rubbish the views of others on order to sustain my own. Cloaking an ad hominem argument in smarmy language is still an ad hominem argument. > You assume life begins at conception/birth. If, in fact, life does not >begin at conception/birth, as many schools of thought propose, then the > " mind " (or spririt) and the brain may indeed be seperate entities with the >mind indeed controlling the brain. And if, as you posit, the mind and brain are separate entities, how does it follow the the mind necessarily controls the brain. Only because you say it does? Actually this begs the question, lends an irrelevant conclusion. > So to >introduce chemicals to the brain for problem which exists primarily in the >mind only makes the situation worse in the long term. What does 'primarily' mean...in the brain too? So there is a threshold whereby a certain percent existing " primarily " in the brain then justifies the introduction of chemicals? The irrelevance of the rest of the discussion founded on the circular nature of your argument does not inspire further discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Hi again Bjorn Well alas my serotonin levels are probaby so low now I can hardly string together a decent conversation with you. Perhaps we had just better stick with the idea that SSRIs can be very helpful to ppl but they sometimes have problems associated with them too. I think I can just about manage to say though that most ppl dont report less of an ability to fee things - instead they often feel alive for the first time, and feel emotions they thought dead. One problem can be loss of libido however. > The general effect, imo, is a personality change in the direction of >psychopathy, and therefore psychopaths with panic attacks should not >have those medications, but they get them! This might be true for Prozac and Zoloft but not Paxil I believe. Certianly one vecomes more extroverted, but psychopathic? I didnt think psychopaths got panic attacks, but in any case the whole thing is so complicated all kinds of things are at work. My reactions to Prozac and Paxil were so different it's hard to believe theyre the same kind of drug and my doc views them as basically equivalent. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Hi again Bjorn Well alas my serotonin levels are probaby so low now I can hardly string together a decent conversation with you. Perhaps we had just better stick with the idea that SSRIs can be very helpful to ppl but they sometimes have problems associated with them too. I think I can just about manage to say though that most ppl dont report less of an ability to fee things - instead they often feel alive for the first time, and feel emotions they thought dead. One problem can be loss of libido however. > The general effect, imo, is a personality change in the direction of >psychopathy, and therefore psychopaths with panic attacks should not >have those medications, but they get them! This might be true for Prozac and Zoloft but not Paxil I believe. Certianly one vecomes more extroverted, but psychopathic? I didnt think psychopaths got panic attacks, but in any case the whole thing is so complicated all kinds of things are at work. My reactions to Prozac and Paxil were so different it's hard to believe theyre the same kind of drug and my doc views them as basically equivalent. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Pete, My case entirely. There are so many variables associated by the administration of these drugs that they are useful in suppressing symptoms in the short term only. This is often harmful to the longer term implications of the condition. There is an increasing number of court cases coming before the Legal Establishment by patients who have turned violent even to the extent of murder after commencing to take SSRI's. Lilley's own research, only recently released though over 8 years old, states that up to 15 per cent of patients expoerience ab-reactions to Prozac. If this is the most favourable postion htey can find in relation to their own product then I fear much more may lie beneath the surface. I must wonder as to how one assumes that psychopaths do not experience panic attacks. Has this area been researched and if so, where can one access that research. Zyban, the anti-smoking drug which was originally developed as an anti-depressant, has been implicated i nthe deaths of 35 people in the UK since its release to the public via prescription only a few months ago. I may be gone for a few days as I am undertaking a 100 mile trekking trip over the mountains. I hope to resume communication when I return. >From: watts_pete@... >Reply-To: 12-step-free >To: 12-step-free >Subject: Re: Getting Off Prozac >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:32:18 -0000 > >Hi again Bjorn > >Well alas my serotonin levels are probaby so low now I can hardly >string together a decent conversation with you. > >Perhaps we had just better stick with the idea that SSRIs can be very >helpful to ppl but they sometimes have problems associated with them >too. > >I think I can just about manage to say though that most ppl dont >report less of an ability to fee things - instead they often feel >alive for the first time, and feel emotions they thought dead. One >problem can be loss of libido however. > > > The general effect, imo, is a personality change in the direction of > >psychopathy, and therefore psychopaths with panic attacks should not > >have those medications, but they get them! > >This might be true for Prozac and Zoloft but not Paxil I believe. >Certianly one vecomes more extroverted, but psychopathic? I didnt >think psychopaths got panic attacks, but in any case the whole thing >is so complicated all kinds of things are at work. My reactions to >Prozac and Paxil were so different it's hard to believe theyre the >same kind of drug and my doc views them as basically equivalent. > >P. > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Zyban, the anti-smoking drug which was originally developed as an anti-depressant, has been implicated i nthe deaths of 35 people in the UK since its release to the public via prescription only a few months ago. I do keep an open mind on these things, but I start from a position of skepticism. No doubt the defense attorneys of these alleged perpetrators are loving the hypothesis, and may even be behind it. The notion is reminiscent of supposedly PCP-crazed maniacs becoming homicidal by the droves, and going on frenzied rampages. Thing is, it wasn't so. --Mona-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2001 Report Share Posted May 5, 2001 It was the BMA ( British Medical Assoc.) which made these claims. >From: MonaHolland@... >Reply-To: 12-step-free >To: 12-step-free >Subject: Re: Re: Getting Off Prozac >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:11:45 EDT > >In a message dated 4/27/01 2:42:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >Adhakan@... writes: > > > > Zyban, the anti-smoking drug which was originally developed as an > > anti-depressant, has been implicated i nthe deaths of 35 people in the >UK > > since its release to the public via prescription only a few months ago. > > > >I do keep an open mind on these things, but I start from a position of >skepticism. No doubt the defense attorneys of these alleged perpetrators >are >loving the hypothesis, and may even be behind it. > >The notion is reminiscent of supposedly PCP-crazed maniacs becoming >homicidal >by the droves, and going on frenzied rampages. Thing is, it wasn't so. > >--Mona-- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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