Re: need expertise

April 8, 2005

No. The therapeutic dosage for kombucha is one liter per day in divided

doses. In the cultures where kombucha is commonly drunk, people either drink

it freely or do a " kombucha cure " where they take it for a few weeks and

then rest from it.

You can build a tolerance to almost anything, be it a drug, herb, kombucha,

apple cider vinegar, or even exercise. When you build a tolerance to a

therapeutic agent like kombucha, it will stop working after awhile.

Therefore, taking rests from it will get rid of the tolerance problem.

Of course, if you are drinking kombucha merely for the taste and not for

health, it doesn't matter - you can drink it all the time.

April 8, 2005

i let my body be my guide... personally i drink it like most people drink

pop.... it is a nutritious food... i believe it can't loose it's value to your

body ... that theory would be inconsistant with it's properties... it has

remained a constant for thousands of years... if you want to take a break...

take a break... i have drank a half gallon in a day with no adverse affect... i

put it in my eyes like visine... with no adverse affect... it's that safe... if

it ever upsets the works it's as easy as more water intake... it's not rocket

science... biology at it's best maybe...

that would be my expertise in my experience...

happy day jude... call me...

tinA

jmb20346 <buhlj007@...> wrote:

Hi,

I was reading my Kombucha Tea for Your Health and Healing by Alick &

Mari Bartholomew, Founders of The Kombucha Tea Network UK. They

recommend that you drink no more than 3 wine glasses full of the tea

per day, after meals, except in the morning when you get up. They also

say that drinking too much of the tea without a break every 2 or 3

months will make you dependent on the tea and you will lose some of

it's properties. Should I take this as gospel or is it an opinion?

Does anyone know for sure? I probably drink about 2 or 3 pints a day,

it's my drink of choice. I've cut down considerably on my coffee

intake because I enjoy the tea so much, do I really have to cut down

on it and take a break for a week without any?

Thank you,

Judy

April 9, 2005

>

> Hi,

> I was reading my Kombucha Tea for Your Health and Healing by Alick &

> Mari Bartholomew, Founders of The Kombucha Tea Network UK. They

> recommend that you drink no more than 3 wine glasses full of the tea

> per day, after meals, except in the morning when you get up. They also

> say that drinking too much of the tea without a break every 2 or 3

> months will make you dependent on the tea and you will lose some of

> it's properties. Should I take this as gospel or is it an opinion?

> Does anyone know for sure? I probably drink about 2 or 3 pints a day,

> it's my drink of choice. I've cut down considerably on my coffee

> intake because I enjoy the tea so much, do I really have to cut down

> on it and take a break for a week without any?

>

> Thank you,

> Judy

Thank you and Tina for your input, I will use my common

sense to judge when to take a break or not. You have been very helpful.

Thanks,

Judy

April 9, 2005

Hello: I have several big kombuchas in the freezer. is there anything

special I have to do to reconstitute them? It is possible, isn't it?

(just hoping here). thanks for any help I get. I tried it with one

but the tea tasted a little strange and I didn't dare to drink much of

it. thought I had better ask the experts before trying it again.

Janet

>I have only been bewing KT for less than a year, but I have noticed that every

time I brew a batch the results of the tea have been slightly different,

although the process is the same; I guess my question is how can your body build

a tolerance to something that is different with every batch. Is it not right

that you would have different components in the tea that your body would have to

take in every time?

>

>Jen

>

>__________________________________________________

>

April 9, 2005

Every time you brew beer at home or regular tea, you will also obtain

slightly different results. You are used to a uniform standard in

storebought foods because the manufacturers work very hard to maintain a

uniform product and taste. Nevertheless, it is still the same product, with

the same chemical effects.

Need Expertise

>

>I have only been bewing KT for less than a year, but I have noticed that

every time I brew a batch the results of the tea have been slightly

different, although the process is the same; I guess my question is how can

your body build a tolerance to something that is different with every batch.

Is it not right that you would have different components in the tea that

your body would have to take in every time?

>

>Jen

>

>__________________________________________________

>

April 11, 2005

> No. The therapeutic dosage for kombucha

> is one liter per day in divided doses.

IMHO, this is a little high and must be put in context with how strong you

brew the final product. When the tea is fermented longer there are higher

levels of acids produced making it unnecessary to drink that much and

possibly even a little risky depending on your body weight. Although

Kombucha can produce a alkaline body response, in excessive amounts it can

overwhelm the body and can contribute to acidosis. I say contribute because

this really depends on the initial health of the individual as well.

Of course the longer you drink KT the more time the body has to adjust. So

there may be almost no practical limit to what the body can take if given a

slow ramp up and a healthy individual.

With acidic brews I have seen it work miracles for both my wife and I on as

little as 6 to 10 ounces a day.

So take it slow and monitor your body. It is the ultimate judge in what

works for you.

- Len

April 14, 2005

Regarding the therapeutic dosage of kombucha: this is for serious illness

such as cancer, AIDS, MS, CFS,

lupus, and so on.

RE: Need Expertise

>

>> No. The therapeutic dosage for kombucha

>> is one liter per day in divided doses.

>

>IMHO, this is a little high and must be put in context with how strong you

>brew the final product. When the tea is fermented longer there are higher

>levels of acids produced making it unnecessary to drink that much and

>possibly even a little risky depending on your body weight. Although

>Kombucha can produce a alkaline body response, in excessive amounts it can

>overwhelm the body and can contribute to acidosis. I say contribute

because

>this really depends on the initial health of the individual as well.

>

>Of course the longer you drink KT the more time the body has to adjust. So

>there may be almost no practical limit to what the body can take if given a

>slow ramp up and a healthy individual.

>

>With acidic brews I have seen it work miracles for both my wife and I on as

>little as 6 to 10 ounces a day.

>

>So take it slow and monitor your body. It is the ultimate judge in what

>works for you.

>

>- Len

>

April 15, 2005

Len do you have any specifics on kombucha contributing to

acidosis.

I hear this repeated very often and the argument seems

simple.

It all may be true but where is the referenced research.

In any event it may be good news that " they " are doing some

research on KT.

To the contrary there is Dr. Barefoot research (and

others) that indicate that KT alkalizes the body.

One can test the hypo sis out for themselves easily at home

via pH test strips.

As you say this really depends upon the individual.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist

Acupuncture is a jab well done

www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA.

RE: Need Expertise

<<snipped>> Although Kombucha can produce a alkaline body

response, in excessive amounts it can overwhelm the body and

can contribute to acidosis. I say contribute because this

really depends on the initial health of the individual as

well.

<<snipped>>

Len

April 15, 2005

The problem is KT is an assortment of acids. As given many of those acids

cause the body to have an alkaline response. For example KT produces citric

acid on an interim basis during the fermentation cycle. (Ever have a KT

batch that tasted a little like rotten oranges?) But the body's response

can be overwhelmed by the amount of acid someone ingests in a finite period

of time. One ounce every 15 minutes may not cause a problem over 12 hours

(48 ounces total.) But 48 ounces in an hour could.

Some medical conditions, both diabetes and systemic candidiasis come to

mind, can weaken the body's alkaline response mechanism. Candida alone

causes so many misdiagnosed conditions that it is wise not to take any

illness on face value.

It's unlikely you will ever see a direct link between acidosis and Kombucha.

This is because the people drinking a lot of the stuff are also likely to be

fermenting shorter so that the taste is reasonable and those that aren't

probably couldn't force themselves to drink enough of it to overwhelm the

body.

However, it's always wise to gage one's response to the level of intake.

And again, properly fermented, it only takes a few ounces regularly, to

begin seeing positive results.

- Len

RE: Need Expertise

<<snipped>> Although Kombucha can produce a alkaline body

response, in excessive amounts it can overwhelm the body and

can contribute to acidosis. I say contribute because this

really depends on the initial health of the individual as

well.

<<snipped>>

Len

April 16, 2005

Note that Pork, Beef, Chicken, Crabs, Lobster, Shrimp,

turkey, Eggs, Grains, Pasta, Rice all are actually __acid

forming foods__ that will (especially where one may already

be pre-disposed as you suggest) lead to acidosis.

The likelihood that KT __alkaline forming food__ will

contribute to acidosis in that circumstance is stastically

zero. If one is a meat and potatoes man who drinks a large

amount of KT. Don't stop the KT - stop the meat and

potatoes!!

The theureptic dose often cited by kombucha enthusiast seem

to be one of those that are referenced from someone else's

reference who referenced someone else reference.

For instance in " Kombucha How-To and What Its all about " by

Pascal, who cites the very maximum dose is 8 fl ounce per

day to be taken only before meals and that excessive amounts

" lead to fatal obstructive liver disease " . She also claims

that the amount is not related to the size nor condition of

the person. Pascal additionally cites KT is

contra-indicative for AID and Candida is, citing in her

personal experience of knowing AIDS and Candidacies

sufferers. Other kombucha writers like Hobbs,

and the anti-kombucha-man Pitchford claim (no research) KT

is forbidden for AIDS. Yet the vast majority of AIDs and

Candidasis sufferers actually benefit form KT. For one

example see the research by Dr Barefoot (Calcium Factor) and

a second example see

The 3rd. Congress of Alternative Medicine and Acupuncture.

Kombucha and AIDS (Guadalajara Jalisco, México, 11/98)

results of an investigation with Magico Kombucha ® and

Kombuchion ® in patients with HIV in a period of 6 months;

* Increased CD4 cells count (between 200-500 cell/uL).

* Gained Weight (8 to 16 pounds)

* Increase of physical condition ( 20 to 30% )

and the remission of the following symptoms: Depression,

Insomnia, Fever, Diarrhea , Appetite increase, opportunistic

infections didn't take place. Information obtained from

www.ayoram.com

Logically what you (and others) say makes sense...

Yet ... it's similar to the experience of " in vitro "

experiments that in the lab prove one theory while actual

" clinical " practice, in a person, shows just the opposite to

be true.

In my professional opinion (as one who makes & sells KT and

also who has an 800 number that people call often) most

folks seem to want KT for medical reasons and are not

concerned with the taste and do ferment longer. That seems

to me to be their preconceived notion of KT. How well KT

works for them - or not, I do not keep records, nor am I

allowed per FDA Regulations to report andecocatal evidence.

Which is fine by me because I do believe that KT works

individually. And therefore do agree with you that KT should

be individually specifific.

The easiest simplest method to resolve any concern is a

simply pH test.

Every person I know who drink KT has shown their pH becoming

balanced.

I will mail pH test strips to all who email me with the

subject line " free pH test strips " to

eft@....

The pH test strips are free and the postage is free. You may

order either a audio cassette or CD to hear the commercial

or not. The pH test strips are supplied by a manufacture

comes in a little kit with directions.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist

Acupuncture is a jab well done

www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA.

RE: Need Expertise

The problem is KT is an assortment of acids. As given many

of those acids

cause the body to have an alkaline response. For example KT

produces citric

acid on an interim basis during the fermentation cycle.

(Ever have a KT

batch that tasted a little like rotten oranges?) But the

body's response

can be overwhelmed by the amount of acid someone ingests in

a finite period

of time. One ounce every 15 minutes may not cause a problem

over 12 hours

(48 ounces total.) But 48 ounces in an hour could.

Some medical conditions, both diabetes and systemic

candidiasis come to

mind, can weaken the body's alkaline response mechanism.

Candida alone

causes so many misdiagnosed conditions that it is wise not

to take any

illness on face value.

It's unlikely you will ever see a direct link between

acidosis and Kombucha.

This is because the people drinking a lot of the stuff are

also likely to be

fermenting shorter so that the taste is reasonable and those

that aren't

probably couldn't force themselves to drink enough of it to

overwhelm the

body.

However, it's always wise to gage one's response to the

level of intake.

And again, properly fermented, it only takes a few ounces

regularly, to

begin seeing positive results.

- Len

April 17, 2005

Ed, thank you I enjoyed your response here.

Kathann

Note that Pork, Beef, Chicken, Crabs, Lobster, Shrimp,

turkey, Eggs, Grains, Pasta, Rice all are actually __acid

forming foods__ that will (especially where one may already

be pre-disposed as you suggest) lead to acidosis.

The likelihood that KT __alkaline forming food__ will

contribute to acidosis in that circumstance is stastically

zero. If one is a meat and potatoes man who drinks a large

amount of KT. Don't stop the KT - stop the meat and

potatoes!!

The theureptic dose often cited by kombucha enthusiast seem

to be one of those that are referenced from someone else's

reference who referenced someone else reference.

For instance in " Kombucha How-To and What Its all about " by

Pascal, who cites the very maximum dose is 8 fl ounce per

day to be taken only before meals and that excessive amounts

" lead to fatal obstructive liver disease " . She also claims

that the amount is not related to the size nor condition of

the person. Pascal additionally cites KT is

contra-indicative for AID and Candida is, citing in her

personal experience of knowing AIDS and Candidacies

sufferers. Other kombucha writers like Hobbs,

and the anti-kombucha-man Pitchford claim (no research) KT

is forbidden for AIDS. Yet the vast majority of AIDs and

Candidasis sufferers actually benefit form KT. For one

example see the research by Dr Barefoot (Calcium Factor) and

a second example see

The 3rd. Congress of Alternative Medicine and Acupuncture.

Kombucha and AIDS (Guadalajara Jalisco, México, 11/98)

results of an investigation with Magico Kombucha ® and

Kombuchion ® in patients with HIV in a period of 6 months;

* Increased CD4 cells count (between 200-500 cell/uL).

* Gained Weight (8 to 16 pounds)

* Increase of physical condition ( 20 to 30% )

and the remission of the following symptoms: Depression,

Insomnia, Fever, Diarrhea , Appetite increase, opportunistic

infections didn't take place. Information obtained from

www.ayoram.com

Logically what you (and others) say makes sense...

Yet ... it's similar to the experience of " in vitro "

experiments that in the lab prove one theory while actual

" clinical " practice, in a person, shows just the opposite to

be true.

In my professional opinion (as one who makes & sells KT and

also who has an 800 number that people call often) most

folks seem to want KT for medical reasons and are not

concerned with the taste and do ferment longer. That seems

to me to be their preconceived notion of KT. How well KT

works for them - or not, I do not keep records, nor am I

allowed per FDA Regulations to report andecocatal evidence.

Which is fine by me because I do believe that KT works

individually. And therefore do agree with you that KT should

be individually specifific.

The easiest simplest method to resolve any concern is a

simply pH test.

Every person I know who drink KT has shown their pH becoming

balanced.

I will mail pH test strips to all who email me with the

subject line " free pH test strips " to

eft@....

The pH test strips are free and the postage is free. You may

order either a audio cassette or CD to hear the commercial

or not. The pH test strips are supplied by a manufacture

comes in a little kit with directions.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist

Acupuncture is a jab well done

www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA.

January 4, 2006

Selma,

This is what I see. The angles are a bit tough to see everything

from, but her roundness looks ok to me. I can see a bit of unevenness

in the ear hieght, but can't see if there is front to back

misalignment. Her forehead looks a touch narrow and the head length

looks a bit long, more towards a scaphycephaly shape. This could also

just be a familily headshape, you would know. Most of this is subtle

and could probably be lived with, without treatment. Your best bet is

to get to a CT clinic, even if it means driving a long way and have

them asess her. This may be what makes the decision for you. They are

honest and thorough. It can be so hard to show things in pictures, so

don't get frustrated if you feel like noone is seeing what you

are...this is common. The hieght difference in the ears and the way

she looks in the pictures makes me wonder if there is any torticollis

at all. Is there any? I just don't think you will feel better until

you have her evaluated by competant people, so that may really be

your decision to make right now. Honest opinion, if it were my baby

and I felt the way you do, I would have an evaluation done and follow

what they say.

CarolG

--- In Plagiocephaly , Selma <onewhyme@y...>

wrote:

>

> Hello all. I am new to the group and have posted a few questions

and REALLY do appreciate all the input/advice and expertise. I was

hoping that all of you with " experience " would take a look at my

daughter's pics I posted under Plagio Kids " KRP " and give me your

input. Her name is Kennedy, but there is already a Kennedy so I went

with her initials.

> Her doc noticed her flattening at her 2 month appointment, then

I loosely attempted changing the side of the head she slept on by 13

weeks. I did not see major changes, so I have been all consumed

working on repositioning since she was 4 months, she just turned 7

last week.

> I am struggling so much with her head shape...it has become all

consuming. My entire family and friends think I am being absolutely

ridiculous. That includes my husband. SO, I am reaching out for

your advice and put to see if I need to go to Miami to have her

looked at...it will be a " fight " if I choose to do it. Or, should I

not worry and stop putting so much attention toward this.

>

> Thank you,

> Selma in Orlando

>

> ---------------------------------

> Photos

> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events,

holidays, whatever.

>

January 4, 2006