Re: DMPS dose vs. DMSA/ALA

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> I've been taking 100mg DMSA and 65mg ALA 9 times/day in slightly

under

> 3 day rounds, though lately, I have dropped the ALA in hopes of

> getting my high copper down.

>

> I'm seeing a new doctor who might be willing to prescribe compounded

> oral DMPS for me. Her ideas on chelation are very DAN-like, so I

need

> to do my own research.

Since I'm not taking ALA, using DMPS would

> allow me to get more sleep (and my adrenals could use that.)

>

> If I wanted to take DMPS every 8 hours, what dose would you think I

> should start with?

TK--- if you haven't used it before I would suggest starting low 10mg

[you can always increase it later, otherwise you can use the dosage

schedule in the links section.

If I wanted to use DMPS for week-long rounds would

> you recommend a lower dose?

TK--- yes

>

> I do have some lead

TK--- lots of us have some in our hair tests, unless it is high imo

I would work on the Hg and do dmps & ala

(and I'm also chelating my daughter who has quite

> a bit of lead and extremely high copper), so I would probably

> alternate use of DMPS and DMSA/ALA. While this is complicated,

TK--- this may get very confusing for you

I

> think it's worth it for the extra sleep. What I have in mind is

> somthing like 1 or more long rounds of DMPS per month with a 3 day

> round of DMSA (and ALA if we can get our copper down) once per

month.

>

> Thanks,

>

> W.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> I've been taking 100mg DMSA and 65mg ALA 9 times/day in slightly

under

> 3 day rounds, though lately, I have dropped the ALA in hopes of

> getting my high copper down.

>

> I'm seeing a new doctor who might be willing to prescribe compounded

> oral DMPS for me. Her ideas on chelation are very DAN-like, so I

need

> to do my own research.

Since I'm not taking ALA, using DMPS would

> allow me to get more sleep (and my adrenals could use that.)

>

> If I wanted to take DMPS every 8 hours, what dose would you think I

> should start with?

TK--- if you haven't used it before I would suggest starting low 10mg

[you can always increase it later, otherwise you can use the dosage

schedule in the links section.

If I wanted to use DMPS for week-long rounds would

> you recommend a lower dose?

TK--- yes

>

> I do have some lead

TK--- lots of us have some in our hair tests, unless it is high imo

I would work on the Hg and do dmps & ala

(and I'm also chelating my daughter who has quite

> a bit of lead and extremely high copper), so I would probably

> alternate use of DMPS and DMSA/ALA. While this is complicated,

TK--- this may get very confusing for you

I

> think it's worth it for the extra sleep. What I have in mind is

> somthing like 1 or more long rounds of DMPS per month with a 3 day

> round of DMSA (and ALA if we can get our copper down) once per

month.

>

> Thanks,

>

> W.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> I've been taking 100mg DMSA and 65mg ALA 9 times/day in slightly under

> 3 day rounds, though lately, I have dropped the ALA in hopes of

> getting my high copper down.

>

> I'm seeing a new doctor who might be willing to prescribe compounded

> oral DMPS for me. Her ideas on chelation are very DAN-like, so I need

> to do my own research. Since I'm not taking ALA, using DMPS would

> allow me to get more sleep (and my adrenals could use that.)

>

> If I wanted to take DMPS every 8 hours, what dose would you think I

> should start with?

I found that I got the exact same side effects at the end of rounds

when I used DMSA, 25 mg every 4 h, or DMPS, 25 mg every 8 h. Because

of the different timing I think that DMPS is twice as potent as DMSA.

I don't know if Andy or anyone else would agree with me, that was

just my experience. I would start low with the DMPS and increase

until you find your tolerance level.

> If I wanted to use DMPS for week-long rounds would

> you recommend a lower dose?

>

I would try DMPS in 3 day rounds until you find the dose that feels

right. Once you find that dose I think it's ok to use the same dose

for week long rounds. I find that end of round side effects are

exactly the same (at the same dose) whether the rounds are 3 days, 3

weeks or 3 months (and I don't get any side effects on round as long

as I don't miss doses).

I found that taking DMPS at 6 h intervals feels better for me than 8h.

> I do have some lead (and I'm also chelating my daughter who has quite

> a bit of lead and extremely high copper), so I would probably

> alternate use of DMPS and DMSA/ALA. While this is complicated, I

> think it's worth it for the extra sleep. What I have in mind is

> somthing like 1 or more long rounds of DMPS per month with a 3 day

> round of DMSA (and ALA if we can get our copper down) once per month.

>

This would be too complicated for me to attempt right now because I

often get little things confused (like I might be mixing up DMPS

capsules and thinking DMSA doses).

J

> Thanks,

>

> W.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> I've been taking 100mg DMSA and 65mg ALA 9 times/day in slightly under

> 3 day rounds, though lately, I have dropped the ALA in hopes of

> getting my high copper down.

>

> I'm seeing a new doctor who might be willing to prescribe compounded

> oral DMPS for me. Her ideas on chelation are very DAN-like, so I need

> to do my own research. Since I'm not taking ALA, using DMPS would

> allow me to get more sleep (and my adrenals could use that.)

>

> If I wanted to take DMPS every 8 hours, what dose would you think I

> should start with?

I found that I got the exact same side effects at the end of rounds

when I used DMSA, 25 mg every 4 h, or DMPS, 25 mg every 8 h. Because

of the different timing I think that DMPS is twice as potent as DMSA.

I don't know if Andy or anyone else would agree with me, that was

just my experience. I would start low with the DMPS and increase

until you find your tolerance level.

> If I wanted to use DMPS for week-long rounds would

> you recommend a lower dose?

>

I would try DMPS in 3 day rounds until you find the dose that feels

right. Once you find that dose I think it's ok to use the same dose

for week long rounds. I find that end of round side effects are

exactly the same (at the same dose) whether the rounds are 3 days, 3

weeks or 3 months (and I don't get any side effects on round as long

as I don't miss doses).

I found that taking DMPS at 6 h intervals feels better for me than 8h.

> I do have some lead (and I'm also chelating my daughter who has quite

> a bit of lead and extremely high copper), so I would probably

> alternate use of DMPS and DMSA/ALA. While this is complicated, I

> think it's worth it for the extra sleep. What I have in mind is

> somthing like 1 or more long rounds of DMPS per month with a 3 day

> round of DMSA (and ALA if we can get our copper down) once per month.

>

This would be too complicated for me to attempt right now because I

often get little things confused (like I might be mixing up DMPS

capsules and thinking DMSA doses).

J

> Thanks,

>

> W.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> I've been taking 100mg DMSA and 65mg ALA 9 times/day in slightly under

> 3 day rounds, though lately, I have dropped the ALA in hopes of

> getting my high copper down.

>

> I'm seeing a new doctor who might be willing to prescribe compounded

> oral DMPS for me. Her ideas on chelation are very DAN-like, so I need

> to do my own research. Since I'm not taking ALA, using DMPS would

> allow me to get more sleep (and my adrenals could use that.)

>

> If I wanted to take DMPS every 8 hours, what dose would you think I

> should start with?

I found that I got the exact same side effects at the end of rounds

when I used DMSA, 25 mg every 4 h, or DMPS, 25 mg every 8 h. Because

of the different timing I think that DMPS is twice as potent as DMSA.

I don't know if Andy or anyone else would agree with me, that was

just my experience. I would start low with the DMPS and increase

until you find your tolerance level.

> If I wanted to use DMPS for week-long rounds would

> you recommend a lower dose?

>

I would try DMPS in 3 day rounds until you find the dose that feels

right. Once you find that dose I think it's ok to use the same dose

for week long rounds. I find that end of round side effects are

exactly the same (at the same dose) whether the rounds are 3 days, 3

weeks or 3 months (and I don't get any side effects on round as long

as I don't miss doses).

I found that taking DMPS at 6 h intervals feels better for me than 8h.

> I do have some lead (and I'm also chelating my daughter who has quite

> a bit of lead and extremely high copper), so I would probably

> alternate use of DMPS and DMSA/ALA. While this is complicated, I

> think it's worth it for the extra sleep. What I have in mind is

> somthing like 1 or more long rounds of DMPS per month with a 3 day

> round of DMSA (and ALA if we can get our copper down) once per month.

>

This would be too complicated for me to attempt right now because I

often get little things confused (like I might be mixing up DMPS

capsules and thinking DMSA doses).

J

> Thanks,

>

> W.

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry to barge in, but are you taking molybdenum? This helps with

keeping copper normal during chelation.

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I've been taking 100mg DMSA and 65mg ALA 9 times/day in slightly

under

> > 3 day rounds, though lately, I have dropped the ALA in hopes of

> > getting my high copper down.

> >

> > I'm seeing a new doctor who might be willing to prescribe

compounded

> > oral DMPS for me. Her ideas on chelation are very DAN-like, so

I need

> > to do my own research. Since I'm not taking ALA, using DMPS

would

> > allow me to get more sleep (and my adrenals could use that.)

> >

> > If I wanted to take DMPS every 8 hours, what dose would you

think I

> > should start with?

>

>

>

> I found that I got the exact same side effects at the end of rounds

> when I used DMSA, 25 mg every 4 h, or DMPS, 25 mg every 8 h.

Because

> of the different timing I think that DMPS is twice as potent as

DMSA.

> I don't know if Andy or anyone else would agree with me, that was

> just my experience. I would start low with the DMPS and increase

> until you find your tolerance level.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > If I wanted to use DMPS for week-long rounds would

> > you recommend a lower dose?

> >

>

>

>

> I would try DMPS in 3 day rounds until you find the dose that feels

> right. Once you find that dose I think it's ok to use the same

dose

> for week long rounds. I find that end of round side effects are

> exactly the same (at the same dose) whether the rounds are 3 days,

3

> weeks or 3 months (and I don't get any side effects on round as

long

> as I don't miss doses).

>

> I found that taking DMPS at 6 h intervals feels better for me than

8h.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > I do have some lead (and I'm also chelating my daughter who has

quite

> > a bit of lead and extremely high copper), so I would probably

> > alternate use of DMPS and DMSA/ALA. While this is complicated, I

> > think it's worth it for the extra sleep. What I have in mind is

> > somthing like 1 or more long rounds of DMPS per month with a 3

day

> > round of DMSA (and ALA if we can get our copper down) once per

month.

> >

>

>

>

> This would be too complicated for me to attempt right now because I

> often get little things confused (like I might be mixing up DMPS

> capsules and thinking DMSA doses).

>

>

>

> J

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Thanks,

> >

> > W.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry to barge in, but are you taking molybdenum? This helps with

keeping copper normal during chelation.

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I've been taking 100mg DMSA and 65mg ALA 9 times/day in slightly

under

> > 3 day rounds, though lately, I have dropped the ALA in hopes of

> > getting my high copper down.

> >

> > I'm seeing a new doctor who might be willing to prescribe

compounded

> > oral DMPS for me. Her ideas on chelation are very DAN-like, so

I need

> > to do my own research. Since I'm not taking ALA, using DMPS

would

> > allow me to get more sleep (and my adrenals could use that.)

> >

> > If I wanted to take DMPS every 8 hours, what dose would you

think I

> > should start with?

>

>

>

> I found that I got the exact same side effects at the end of rounds

> when I used DMSA, 25 mg every 4 h, or DMPS, 25 mg every 8 h.

Because

> of the different timing I think that DMPS is twice as potent as

DMSA.

> I don't know if Andy or anyone else would agree with me, that was

> just my experience. I would start low with the DMPS and increase

> until you find your tolerance level.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > If I wanted to use DMPS for week-long rounds would

> > you recommend a lower dose?

> >

>

>

>

> I would try DMPS in 3 day rounds until you find the dose that feels

> right. Once you find that dose I think it's ok to use the same

dose

> for week long rounds. I find that end of round side effects are

> exactly the same (at the same dose) whether the rounds are 3 days,

3

> weeks or 3 months (and I don't get any side effects on round as

long

> as I don't miss doses).

>

> I found that taking DMPS at 6 h intervals feels better for me than

8h.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > I do have some lead (and I'm also chelating my daughter who has

quite

> > a bit of lead and extremely high copper), so I would probably

> > alternate use of DMPS and DMSA/ALA. While this is complicated, I

> > think it's worth it for the extra sleep. What I have in mind is

> > somthing like 1 or more long rounds of DMPS per month with a 3

day

> > round of DMSA (and ALA if we can get our copper down) once per

month.

> >

>

>

>

> This would be too complicated for me to attempt right now because I

> often get little things confused (like I might be mixing up DMPS

> capsules and thinking DMSA doses).

>

>

>

> J

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Thanks,

> >

> > W.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry to barge in, but are you taking molybdenum? This helps with

keeping copper normal during chelation.

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I've been taking 100mg DMSA and 65mg ALA 9 times/day in slightly

under

> > 3 day rounds, though lately, I have dropped the ALA in hopes of

> > getting my high copper down.

> >

> > I'm seeing a new doctor who might be willing to prescribe

compounded

> > oral DMPS for me. Her ideas on chelation are very DAN-like, so

I need

> > to do my own research. Since I'm not taking ALA, using DMPS

would

> > allow me to get more sleep (and my adrenals could use that.)

> >

> > If I wanted to take DMPS every 8 hours, what dose would you

think I

> > should start with?

>

>

>

> I found that I got the exact same side effects at the end of rounds

> when I used DMSA, 25 mg every 4 h, or DMPS, 25 mg every 8 h.

Because

> of the different timing I think that DMPS is twice as potent as

DMSA.

> I don't know if Andy or anyone else would agree with me, that was

> just my experience. I would start low with the DMPS and increase

> until you find your tolerance level.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > If I wanted to use DMPS for week-long rounds would

> > you recommend a lower dose?

> >

>

>

>

> I would try DMPS in 3 day rounds until you find the dose that feels

> right. Once you find that dose I think it's ok to use the same

dose

> for week long rounds. I find that end of round side effects are

> exactly the same (at the same dose) whether the rounds are 3 days,

3

> weeks or 3 months (and I don't get any side effects on round as

long

> as I don't miss doses).

>

> I found that taking DMPS at 6 h intervals feels better for me than

8h.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > I do have some lead (and I'm also chelating my daughter who has

quite

> > a bit of lead and extremely high copper), so I would probably

> > alternate use of DMPS and DMSA/ALA. While this is complicated, I

> > think it's worth it for the extra sleep. What I have in mind is

> > somthing like 1 or more long rounds of DMPS per month with a 3

day

> > round of DMSA (and ALA if we can get our copper down) once per

month.

> >

>

>

>

> This would be too complicated for me to attempt right now because I

> often get little things confused (like I might be mixing up DMPS

> capsules and thinking DMSA doses).

>

>

>

> J

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Thanks,

> >

> > W.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Sorry to barge in, but are you taking molybdenum? This helps with

> keeping copper normal during chelation.

Yes, in fact I might be toxic in molybdenum because I've taken so much

for so long. My latest hair test has it at .31 with a ref range of

..028-.056, so it is way off the red end. I have read the bits about

copper in both Amalgam Illness and Hair Test Interpretation repeatedly

and tried to follow the suggestions. My daughter's latest hair test

copper was 2000 (not a typo).

W.

[Guest guest]

Wow, , is this chelating without ala? I would guess you already

tried zinc and all that.

> >

> > Sorry to barge in, but are you taking molybdenum? This helps

with

> > keeping copper normal during chelation.

>

> Yes, in fact I might be toxic in molybdenum because I've taken so

much

> for so long. My latest hair test has it at .31 with a ref range of

> .028-.056, so it is way off the red end. I have read the bits

about

>>

[Guest guest]

Wow, , is this chelating without ala? I would guess you already

tried zinc and all that.

> >

> > Sorry to barge in, but are you taking molybdenum? This helps

with

> > keeping copper normal during chelation.

>

> Yes, in fact I might be toxic in molybdenum because I've taken so

much

> for so long. My latest hair test has it at .31 with a ref range of

> .028-.056, so it is way off the red end. I have read the bits

about

>>

[Guest guest]

Wow, , is this chelating without ala? I would guess you already

tried zinc and all that.

> >

> > Sorry to barge in, but are you taking molybdenum? This helps

with

> > keeping copper normal during chelation.

>

> Yes, in fact I might be toxic in molybdenum because I've taken so

much

> for so long. My latest hair test has it at .31 with a ref range of

> .028-.056, so it is way off the red end. I have read the bits

about

>>

[Guest guest]

>

> Wow, , is this chelating without ala? I would guess you already

> tried zinc and all that.

I've done 58 just under 3 day rounds since May '05. All had DMSA. 33

had ALA also. I have tried zinc, molybdenum, bile stimulating supps,

low copper diet, no copper in supps, tested water, ... Still have

hair copper of 120.

W.

[Guest guest]

>

> Wow, , is this chelating without ala? I would guess you already

> tried zinc and all that.

I've done 58 just under 3 day rounds since May '05. All had DMSA. 33

had ALA also. I have tried zinc, molybdenum, bile stimulating supps,

low copper diet, no copper in supps, tested water, ... Still have

hair copper of 120.

W.

[Guest guest]

>

> Wow, , is this chelating without ala? I would guess you already

> tried zinc and all that.

I've done 58 just under 3 day rounds since May '05. All had DMSA. 33

had ALA also. I have tried zinc, molybdenum, bile stimulating supps,

low copper diet, no copper in supps, tested water, ... Still have

hair copper of 120.

W.

[Guest guest]

What about amino acids. Do you supplement with these? some may help to

the body to retain/absorb copper. Worth looking into.