Jump to content
RemedySpot.com
Sign in to follow this  
Guest guest

Adrenal Burnout Imminent

Rate this topic

Recommended Posts

Guest guest

>

> Keeping with this subject line that ACE increases cortisol, I found

this

> passage in Life Extension's Disease Prevention Book;

>

> " At normal levels, cortisol assists in the metabolism of glucose,

protein,

> and fats. It also has a strong impact on the immune system.

At consistently

> high levels due to illness or stress, cortisol suppresses immune

response

> and accelerates the aging of major organ systems. In general, rising

levels

> of cortisol are associated with physical and severe mental stress. "

>

The key here is 'consistently high levels'.

In most cases with metal poisoning we are talking about people who are

producing consistently low levels of cortisol, and have been for some

time.

> They go on to say that long term use of ACE is contraindicated and

> dangerous. Any comments?

>

As with anything it would likely depend on the dose.

> So, my question is why would we ever want to give ACE which raises

cortisol?

>

To attempt to bring cortisol up to more normal levels so that it can

do it's job of assisting in the metabolism of glucose, protein, and

fats and helping with immune function.

J

>

> Re: Adrenal Burnout Imminent

>

>

> >> I've managed to totally confuse myself reading these posts, all

due to my

> >> fault, but I need something clarified.

> >> If you give phosphatidylserine because someone has high cortisol

(gains

> >> weight on stomach, but not arms and legs) does this have anything

to do

> >> with

> >> whether you give adrenal cortex extract?

> >

> > Yes, you would generally withold ACE

> >>

> >> Or does effect does ACE have on cortisol?

> >

> > ACE lets you make cortisol more easily, and other hormones too,

some not

> > yet

> > characterized by science no doubt.

> >>

> >> Thanks,

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest guest

In frequent-dose-chelation , Cochran wrote:

Keeping with this subject line that ACE increases cortisol, I found this

passage in Life Extension's Disease Prevention Book;

" At normal levels, cortisol assists in the metabolism of glucose, protein,

and fats. It also has a strong impact on the immune system. At consistently

high levels due to illness or stress, cortisol suppresses immune response

and accelerates the aging of major organ systems. In general, rising levels

of cortisol are associated with physical and severe mental stress. "

----------The rising levels of cortisol is due to or from the physical and/or

severe mental stress, not the other way around. This is your body's way of

trying to cope with the stress, supplying you with extra cortisol to keep you

going. You can do this for awhile, but then at some point, your adrenals start

to fizzle out. This is explained really well in the following link about the

stages of adrenal fatigue. Go to the bottom of each page and keep clicking on

the next stage.----------Jackie T>

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

They go on to say that long term use of ACE is contraindicated and

dangerous. Any comments?

----------Adrenal support is recommended to give your adrenals a rest and a

chance to heal, so the amount of time will vary by person and how bad of shape

they are in. You are supposed to wean yourself off of it when your adrenals

have healed, but no set timetable for this. Since stress is such a big factor

in this, this can be very hard for some people to achieve.-----------Jackie T.

So, my question is why would we ever want to give ACE which raises cortisol?

----------Because having too little cortisol is also a very bad situation, and

may be hard to understand unless you have been there yourself. It's hard to

explain the absolute lack of energy to do anything. This is stage 4 or farther

in the above link. I am not taking ACE, but am taking Isocort, and can't

imagine where I'd be without it. I think says she wouldn't be able to get

off the couch without it (HC). And there are numerous examples of people helped

by low doses of HC (cortisol) in Jefferies book, " The Safe Uses of Cortisol " .

The key is low physiological doses, usually less than what your body normally

produces in a day, so you are supplying PART of what your body's daily need is,

so the adrenals don't have to work so hard and can hopefully rest and heal over

time. Many doctors/people have been scared off by the use of too high

pharmacological doses, which caused problems and got all the press. And many

people can't/wouldn't be able to tolerate their thyroid hormone without taking

HC (cortisol) either. You need the HC to get the thyroid hormone into your

cells. So there are numerous reasons to take adrenal support if it is

needed.--------------Jackie T

Re: Adrenal Burnout Imminent

>> I've managed to totally confuse myself reading these posts, all due to my

>> fault, but I need something clarified.

>> If you give phosphatidylserine because someone has high cortisol (gains

>> weight on stomach, but not arms and legs) does this have anything to do

>> with

>> whether you give adrenal cortex extract?

>

> Yes, you would generally withold ACE

>>

>> Or does effect does ACE have on cortisol?

>

> ACE lets you make cortisol more easily, and other hormones too, some not

> yet

> characterized by science no doubt.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>

>

>

>

>

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest guest

In frequent-dose-chelation , Cochran wrote:

Keeping with this subject line that ACE increases cortisol, I found this

passage in Life Extension's Disease Prevention Book;

" At normal levels, cortisol assists in the metabolism of glucose, protein,

and fats. It also has a strong impact on the immune system. At consistently

high levels due to illness or stress, cortisol suppresses immune response

and accelerates the aging of major organ systems. In general, rising levels

of cortisol are associated with physical and severe mental stress. "

----------The rising levels of cortisol is due to or from the physical and/or

severe mental stress, not the other way around. This is your body's way of

trying to cope with the stress, supplying you with extra cortisol to keep you

going. You can do this for awhile, but then at some point, your adrenals start

to fizzle out. This is explained really well in the following link about the

stages of adrenal fatigue. Go to the bottom of each page and keep clicking on

the next stage.----------Jackie T>

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

They go on to say that long term use of ACE is contraindicated and

dangerous. Any comments?

----------Adrenal support is recommended to give your adrenals a rest and a

chance to heal, so the amount of time will vary by person and how bad of shape

they are in. You are supposed to wean yourself off of it when your adrenals

have healed, but no set timetable for this. Since stress is such a big factor

in this, this can be very hard for some people to achieve.-----------Jackie T.

So, my question is why would we ever want to give ACE which raises cortisol?

----------Because having too little cortisol is also a very bad situation, and

may be hard to understand unless you have been there yourself. It's hard to

explain the absolute lack of energy to do anything. This is stage 4 or farther

in the above link. I am not taking ACE, but am taking Isocort, and can't

imagine where I'd be without it. I think says she wouldn't be able to get

off the couch without it (HC). And there are numerous examples of people helped

by low doses of HC (cortisol) in Jefferies book, " The Safe Uses of Cortisol " .

The key is low physiological doses, usually less than what your body normally

produces in a day, so you are supplying PART of what your body's daily need is,

so the adrenals don't have to work so hard and can hopefully rest and heal over

time. Many doctors/people have been scared off by the use of too high

pharmacological doses, which caused problems and got all the press. And many

people can't/wouldn't be able to tolerate their thyroid hormone without taking

HC (cortisol) either. You need the HC to get the thyroid hormone into your

cells. So there are numerous reasons to take adrenal support if it is

needed.--------------Jackie T

Re: Adrenal Burnout Imminent

>> I've managed to totally confuse myself reading these posts, all due to my

>> fault, but I need something clarified.

>> If you give phosphatidylserine because someone has high cortisol (gains

>> weight on stomach, but not arms and legs) does this have anything to do

>> with

>> whether you give adrenal cortex extract?

>

> Yes, you would generally withold ACE

>>

>> Or does effect does ACE have on cortisol?

>

> ACE lets you make cortisol more easily, and other hormones too, some not

> yet

> characterized by science no doubt.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>

>

>

>

>

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest guest

In frequent-dose-chelation , Cochran wrote:

Keeping with this subject line that ACE increases cortisol, I found this

passage in Life Extension's Disease Prevention Book;

" At normal levels, cortisol assists in the metabolism of glucose, protein,

and fats. It also has a strong impact on the immune system. At consistently

high levels due to illness or stress, cortisol suppresses immune response

and accelerates the aging of major organ systems. In general, rising levels

of cortisol are associated with physical and severe mental stress. "

----------The rising levels of cortisol is due to or from the physical and/or

severe mental stress, not the other way around. This is your body's way of

trying to cope with the stress, supplying you with extra cortisol to keep you

going. You can do this for awhile, but then at some point, your adrenals start

to fizzle out. This is explained really well in the following link about the

stages of adrenal fatigue. Go to the bottom of each page and keep clicking on

the next stage.----------Jackie T>

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

They go on to say that long term use of ACE is contraindicated and

dangerous. Any comments?

----------Adrenal support is recommended to give your adrenals a rest and a

chance to heal, so the amount of time will vary by person and how bad of shape

they are in. You are supposed to wean yourself off of it when your adrenals

have healed, but no set timetable for this. Since stress is such a big factor

in this, this can be very hard for some people to achieve.-----------Jackie T.

So, my question is why would we ever want to give ACE which raises cortisol?

----------Because having too little cortisol is also a very bad situation, and

may be hard to understand unless you have been there yourself. It's hard to

explain the absolute lack of energy to do anything. This is stage 4 or farther

in the above link. I am not taking ACE, but am taking Isocort, and can't

imagine where I'd be without it. I think says she wouldn't be able to get

off the couch without it (HC). And there are numerous examples of people helped

by low doses of HC (cortisol) in Jefferies book, " The Safe Uses of Cortisol " .

The key is low physiological doses, usually less than what your body normally

produces in a day, so you are supplying PART of what your body's daily need is,

so the adrenals don't have to work so hard and can hopefully rest and heal over

time. Many doctors/people have been scared off by the use of too high

pharmacological doses, which caused problems and got all the press. And many

people can't/wouldn't be able to tolerate their thyroid hormone without taking

HC (cortisol) either. You need the HC to get the thyroid hormone into your

cells. So there are numerous reasons to take adrenal support if it is

needed.--------------Jackie T

Re: Adrenal Burnout Imminent

>> I've managed to totally confuse myself reading these posts, all due to my

>> fault, but I need something clarified.

>> If you give phosphatidylserine because someone has high cortisol (gains

>> weight on stomach, but not arms and legs) does this have anything to do

>> with

>> whether you give adrenal cortex extract?

>

> Yes, you would generally withold ACE

>>

>> Or does effect does ACE have on cortisol?

>

> ACE lets you make cortisol more easily, and other hormones too, some not

> yet

> characterized by science no doubt.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>

>

>

>

>

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Thanks, Jackie and J.

time will vary by person and how bad of shape they are in. You are supposed

to wean yourself off of it when your adrenals have healed, but no set

timetable for this. Since stress is such a big factor in this, this can be

very hard for some people to achieve.-----------Jackie T.

>

>

>

>

> So, my question is why would we ever want to give ACE which raises

> cortisol?

>

> ----------Because having too little cortisol is also a very bad

> situation, and may be hard to understand unless you have been there

> yourself. It's hard to explain the absolute lack of energy to do

> anything. This is stage 4 or farther in the above link. I am not taking

> ACE, but am taking Isocort, and can't imagine where I'd be without it. I

> think says she wouldn't be able to get off the couch without it

> (HC). And there are numerous examples of people helped by low doses of HC

> (cortisol) in Jefferies book, " The Safe Uses of Cortisol " . The key is low

> physiological doses, usually less than what your body normally produces in

> a day, so you are supplying PART of what your body's daily need is, so the

> adrenals don't have to work so hard and can hopefully rest and heal over

> time. Many doctors/people have been scared off by the use of too high

> pharmacological doses, which caused problems and got all the press. And

> many people can't/wouldn't be able to tolerate their thyroid hormone

> without taking HC (cortisol) either. You need the HC to get the thyroid

> hormone into your cells. So there are numerous reasons to take adrenal

> support if it is needed.--------------Jackie T

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Adrenal Burnout Imminent

>

> >> I've managed to totally confuse myself reading these posts, all due to

> my

> >> fault, but I need something clarified.

> >> If you give phosphatidylserine because someone has high cortisol

> (gains

> >> weight on stomach, but not arms and legs) does this have anything to

> do

> >> with

> >> whether you give adrenal cortex extract?

> >

> > Yes, you would generally withold ACE

> >>

> >> Or does effect does ACE have on cortisol?

> >

> > ACE lets you make cortisol more easily, and other hormones too, some

> not

> > yet

> > characterized by science no doubt.

> >>

> >> Thanks,

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest guest

>

>

> Cortisol is life sustaining in normal amounts and the body can not

> live without it....... although too much is not good either,

> ACE and steroids help to raise cortisol levels when they have gotten

> too low.

I'll just toss in my experience, though I'm not sure what it means. My

first attempt at treating my adrenal fatigue was with ACE, and it gave

me a very bad anxiety attack -- so bad that I thought I was mistaken

about needing adrenal support (yes, brain function not working all

that well either!). But Cortef and Isocort have been wonderful, and as

long as I take the tablets on time I'm pretty much back to normal. HC

has turned me from a sick, debilitated person into an alive person!

Energy is the big thing, but also mood, social ease, skin, muscle

tone, just about everything is better.

After starting HC I took ACE for a bit and it gave me no trouble, but

I changed brands (to Adrenergize) and maybe that's the difference.

Nell

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest guest

......or maybe having the H/C support is what made the difference in

being able to tolerate it. When I got low on cortisol again, I

started having food allergies and noticeable chemical sensitivities

again.....

~Inga

.

After starting HC I took ACE for a bit and it gave me no trouble, but

I changed brands (to Adrenergize) and maybe that's the difference.

Nell

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest guest

......or maybe having the H/C support is what made the difference in

being able to tolerate it. When I got low on cortisol again, I

started having food allergies and noticeable chemical sensitivities

again.....

~Inga

.

After starting HC I took ACE for a bit and it gave me no trouble, but

I changed brands (to Adrenergize) and maybe that's the difference.

Nell

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest guest

......or maybe having the H/C support is what made the difference in

being able to tolerate it. When I got low on cortisol again, I

started having food allergies and noticeable chemical sensitivities

again.....

~Inga

.

After starting HC I took ACE for a bit and it gave me no trouble, but

I changed brands (to Adrenergize) and maybe that's the difference.

Nell

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest guest

This is very interesting, Inga and Nell. I tried ACE once and it made me feel

funny, not better, don't remember exactly what. But maybe I should try it

again, now that I'm taking Isocort. And that is very interesting about the food

allergies and chemical sensitivities, Inga.

Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation , Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

.....or maybe having the H/C support is what made the difference in

being able to tolerate it. When I got low on cortisol again, I

started having food allergies and noticeable chemical sensitivities

again.....

~Inga

.

After starting HC I took ACE for a bit and it gave me no trouble, but

I changed brands (to Adrenergize) and maybe that's the difference.

Nell

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest guest

This is very interesting, Inga and Nell. I tried ACE once and it made me feel

funny, not better, don't remember exactly what. But maybe I should try it

again, now that I'm taking Isocort. And that is very interesting about the food

allergies and chemical sensitivities, Inga.

Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation , Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

.....or maybe having the H/C support is what made the difference in

being able to tolerate it. When I got low on cortisol again, I

started having food allergies and noticeable chemical sensitivities

again.....

~Inga

.

After starting HC I took ACE for a bit and it gave me no trouble, but

I changed brands (to Adrenergize) and maybe that's the difference.

Nell

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...