RE: Re: To vaccinate or not to vaccinate

[Guest guest]

Ooooh - so there's bleach in dishwasher powder?????? Not thought about that! Love Chris

That brings up an interesting thought.... I used to use bleach a lot for cleaning.... When it got poison ivy the first time I practically bathed in it and it got me through the infection.... in later years I started not liking the smell much... now... I can smell the chlorine when the dishwasher is running... on the other side of the house!!!

We have a private well, for water, so our water has no chlorine of fluorine in it.. so it's the chemical in the dishwasher gel stuff.... No wonder that stuff kills septic systems.... Pet peeve of mine... I'll shut up now....

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[Guest guest]

THANKYOU!!! Every time I

see those air spritzer commercials and the clean the bacteria out of the air

sprays.... why don't you just clean up what stinks????

Exactly !! Thank you too, soulmate ! J

Unfortunately someone has managed to influence a generation or two to

believe that living like barbarians and drinking like alcoholics and dressing

like street walkers is cool….

Someone told me that I have allergies because I am so clean, BUT IAM so

clean so I don’t get them.. they have put the cart before the horse.

The other axe I have to grind is that people seem to be ingesting the

same amount of food as would fuel a navvy .. whereas the truth is that they

only have to push buttons to do their jobs.. like washing clothes, instead of

having to scrub and thus use energy.. no-one walks far etc. Carr put it

well.. it is as if you drive 1000miles per week, then retire. After retirement

you put the same amount of fuel in every day, because you always did.. result

more than you need..

RANT OVER!!

BTW.. if you have roses in your garden, or lavender, the petals can be

dried to make pot pourri.. not so offensive..

J

[Guest guest]

THANKYOU!!! Every time I

see those air spritzer commercials and the clean the bacteria out of the air

sprays.... why don't you just clean up what stinks????

Exactly !! Thank you too, soulmate ! J

Unfortunately someone has managed to influence a generation or two to

believe that living like barbarians and drinking like alcoholics and dressing

like street walkers is cool….

Someone told me that I have allergies because I am so clean, BUT IAM so

clean so I don’t get them.. they have put the cart before the horse.

The other axe I have to grind is that people seem to be ingesting the

same amount of food as would fuel a navvy .. whereas the truth is that they

only have to push buttons to do their jobs.. like washing clothes, instead of

having to scrub and thus use energy.. no-one walks far etc. Carr put it

well.. it is as if you drive 1000miles per week, then retire. After retirement

you put the same amount of fuel in every day, because you always did.. result

more than you need..

RANT OVER!!

BTW.. if you have roses in your garden, or lavender, the petals can be

dried to make pot pourri.. not so offensive..

J

[Guest guest]

Anti bacterials too, the kind the destroy the good bacteria in septic systems.... that's why city ordinances are changing now and the septic system regulations are requiring larger tanks AND annual pumping... cuz the bacteria levels are no longer able to break down the solids...

I refuse to use a dishwasher... the chemicals, the noise, and a HUGE pet peeve of mine... you need something in the kitchen and it's sitting in the dishwasher waiting until enough stuff has accumulated to run a load.... washing by hand, everything is washed up right away and put away right away, ready to use when you have the ambition to cook or bake...

My personal habit whenever I go into the kitchen to cook or bake is run a sink of dishwater so that I can toss stuff in as I work... when I have a couple of minutes here and there while stuff is simmering on the stove or the mixer is mixing or something is baking... I wash the dishes in the sink.. nothing dried on, nothing growing on them... just a very quick wash and set them out to air dry... by the time all the food is cooked and such.. most of the dishes are already washed, dried and put away... I finish up what is left after all the food is portioned and put away.. and done.... Ready for the next round.

Remember, I'm lazy... I do things in the way that requires the least amount of effort or thought..... If I had to rinse everything off, load the dishwasher and then wait for it to be done so that I can crawl back inside the thing (I'm not good with bending over) to unload the thing again and then put it all away.... no thanks.. that ads an extra hour to the kitchen chores.... stuff that I can do at the same time I'm doing the cooking/baking and then just be done with it....

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:05:32 +0100 "" writes:

Ooooh - so there's bleach in dishwasher powder?????? Not thought about that! Love Chris

[Guest guest]

Anti bacterials too, the kind the destroy the good bacteria in septic systems.... that's why city ordinances are changing now and the septic system regulations are requiring larger tanks AND annual pumping... cuz the bacteria levels are no longer able to break down the solids...

I refuse to use a dishwasher... the chemicals, the noise, and a HUGE pet peeve of mine... you need something in the kitchen and it's sitting in the dishwasher waiting until enough stuff has accumulated to run a load.... washing by hand, everything is washed up right away and put away right away, ready to use when you have the ambition to cook or bake...

My personal habit whenever I go into the kitchen to cook or bake is run a sink of dishwater so that I can toss stuff in as I work... when I have a couple of minutes here and there while stuff is simmering on the stove or the mixer is mixing or something is baking... I wash the dishes in the sink.. nothing dried on, nothing growing on them... just a very quick wash and set them out to air dry... by the time all the food is cooked and such.. most of the dishes are already washed, dried and put away... I finish up what is left after all the food is portioned and put away.. and done.... Ready for the next round.

Remember, I'm lazy... I do things in the way that requires the least amount of effort or thought..... If I had to rinse everything off, load the dishwasher and then wait for it to be done so that I can crawl back inside the thing (I'm not good with bending over) to unload the thing again and then put it all away.... no thanks.. that ads an extra hour to the kitchen chores.... stuff that I can do at the same time I'm doing the cooking/baking and then just be done with it....

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:05:32 +0100 "" writes:

Ooooh - so there's bleach in dishwasher powder?????? Not thought about that! Love Chris

[Guest guest]

Good point... changing my eating habits after the RAI was hard... I'd been increasingly hyper from puberty to 30 when I went into storm.. I'd always been a big person but I ate like a horse... I had no worries about being over weight and when I did get grief from an insurance company who proclaimed me 'grossly obese' and refused to insure me.. that's when I went in for a BMI to find out how much I had to lose.. I had held a steady 277 for years, I was a weight lifter and drove truck where I loaded and unloaded myself..... the BMI showed that I had 21 % body fat..... So I was not fat... I was on the low side of body fat to be considered normal... I was muscle and bone.... yet uninsurable cuz I was a hundred pounds over the weight the insurance charts said that I should be....

The math showed that I would have to lose something like 60 pounds of MUSCLE to fit into their chart to get insurance.... I'd worked years to put that muscle on, I'm gonna take it off for them? No way!!!

Not long after that I went into thyroid storm and lost 40 pounds in 30 days.... The storm caused my body to burn of the fat that I had... then it went after muscle and organ tissue... Now that is pain... when your body starts to eat itself! But the doc said that I was just fine.. that I needed to lose weight..... as I sat there with my bones sticking out....

sigh

dumb docs

dumb insurance companies

Anyway... after the RAI I had to learn to eat as a non hyper person..... I couldn't heap a plate at each meal anymore... and snack all day long.... As I became more and more hypo, as the years passed and they never gave me enough replacement hormone, I fell into the same routine as so many others.... I still ate breakfast.... but then often only ate one other meal a day.. and no snacks.... I pretty much ate breakfast on my way to work in the morning and then ate a meal when I got home at night... with nothing in between.... that was soooo not good for me.. but I didn't know that then....

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:25:48 +0100 "Dianne Lam" writes:

THANKYOU!!! Every time I see those air spritzer commercials and the clean the bacteria out of the air sprays.... why don't you just clean up what stinks????

Exactly !! Thank you too, soulmate ! J

Unfortunately someone has managed to influence a generation or two to believe that living like barbarians and drinking like alcoholics and dressing like street walkers is cool….

Someone told me that I have allergies because I am so clean, BUT IAM so clean so I don’t get them.. they have put the cart before the horse.

The other axe I have to grind is that people seem to be ingesting the same amount of food as would fuel a navvy .. whereas the truth is that they only have to push buttons to do their jobs.. like washing clothes, instead of having to scrub and thus use energy.. no-one walks far etc. Carr put it well.. it is as if you drive 1000miles per week, then retire. After retirement you put the same amount of fuel in every day, because you always did.. result more than you need..

RANT OVER!!

BTW.. if you have roses in your garden, or lavender, the petals can be dried to make pot pourri.. not so offensive..

J

[Guest guest]

Good point... changing my eating habits after the RAI was hard... I'd been increasingly hyper from puberty to 30 when I went into storm.. I'd always been a big person but I ate like a horse... I had no worries about being over weight and when I did get grief from an insurance company who proclaimed me 'grossly obese' and refused to insure me.. that's when I went in for a BMI to find out how much I had to lose.. I had held a steady 277 for years, I was a weight lifter and drove truck where I loaded and unloaded myself..... the BMI showed that I had 21 % body fat..... So I was not fat... I was on the low side of body fat to be considered normal... I was muscle and bone.... yet uninsurable cuz I was a hundred pounds over the weight the insurance charts said that I should be....

The math showed that I would have to lose something like 60 pounds of MUSCLE to fit into their chart to get insurance.... I'd worked years to put that muscle on, I'm gonna take it off for them? No way!!!

Not long after that I went into thyroid storm and lost 40 pounds in 30 days.... The storm caused my body to burn of the fat that I had... then it went after muscle and organ tissue... Now that is pain... when your body starts to eat itself! But the doc said that I was just fine.. that I needed to lose weight..... as I sat there with my bones sticking out....

sigh

dumb docs

dumb insurance companies

Anyway... after the RAI I had to learn to eat as a non hyper person..... I couldn't heap a plate at each meal anymore... and snack all day long.... As I became more and more hypo, as the years passed and they never gave me enough replacement hormone, I fell into the same routine as so many others.... I still ate breakfast.... but then often only ate one other meal a day.. and no snacks.... I pretty much ate breakfast on my way to work in the morning and then ate a meal when I got home at night... with nothing in between.... that was soooo not good for me.. but I didn't know that then....

Topper ()

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:25:48 +0100 "Dianne Lam" writes:

THANKYOU!!! Every time I see those air spritzer commercials and the clean the bacteria out of the air sprays.... why don't you just clean up what stinks????

Exactly !! Thank you too, soulmate ! J

Unfortunately someone has managed to influence a generation or two to believe that living like barbarians and drinking like alcoholics and dressing like street walkers is cool….

Someone told me that I have allergies because I am so clean, BUT IAM so clean so I don’t get them.. they have put the cart before the horse.

The other axe I have to grind is that people seem to be ingesting the same amount of food as would fuel a navvy .. whereas the truth is that they only have to push buttons to do their jobs.. like washing clothes, instead of having to scrub and thus use energy.. no-one walks far etc. Carr put it well.. it is as if you drive 1000miles per week, then retire. After retirement you put the same amount of fuel in every day, because you always did.. result more than you need..

RANT OVER!!

BTW.. if you have roses in your garden, or lavender, the petals can be dried to make pot pourri.. not so offensive..

J

[Guest guest]

Good point... changing my eating habits after the RAI was hard... I'd been increasingly hyper from puberty to 30 when I went into storm.. I'd always been a big person but I ate like a horse... I had no worries about being over weight and when I did get grief from an insurance company who proclaimed me 'grossly obese' and refused to insure me.. that's when I went in for a BMI to find out how much I had to lose.. I had held a steady 277 for years, I was a weight lifter and drove truck where I loaded and unloaded myself..... the BMI showed that I had 21 % body fat..... So I was not fat... I was on the low side of body fat to be considered normal... I was muscle and bone.... yet uninsurable cuz I was a hundred pounds over the weight the insurance charts said that I should be....

The math showed that I would have to lose something like 60 pounds of MUSCLE to fit into their chart to get insurance.... I'd worked years to put that muscle on, I'm gonna take it off for them? No way!!!

Not long after that I went into thyroid storm and lost 40 pounds in 30 days.... The storm caused my body to burn of the fat that I had... then it went after muscle and organ tissue... Now that is pain... when your body starts to eat itself! But the doc said that I was just fine.. that I needed to lose weight..... as I sat there with my bones sticking out....

sigh

dumb docs

dumb insurance companies

Anyway... after the RAI I had to learn to eat as a non hyper person..... I couldn't heap a plate at each meal anymore... and snack all day long.... As I became more and more hypo, as the years passed and they never gave me enough replacement hormone, I fell into the same routine as so many others.... I still ate breakfast.... but then often only ate one other meal a day.. and no snacks.... I pretty much ate breakfast on my way to work in the morning and then ate a meal when I got home at night... with nothing in between.... that was soooo not good for me.. but I didn't know that then....

Topper ()

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:25:48 +0100 "Dianne Lam" writes:

THANKYOU!!! Every time I see those air spritzer commercials and the clean the bacteria out of the air sprays.... why don't you just clean up what stinks????

Exactly !! Thank you too, soulmate ! J

Unfortunately someone has managed to influence a generation or two to believe that living like barbarians and drinking like alcoholics and dressing like street walkers is cool….

Someone told me that I have allergies because I am so clean, BUT IAM so clean so I don’t get them.. they have put the cart before the horse.

The other axe I have to grind is that people seem to be ingesting the same amount of food as would fuel a navvy .. whereas the truth is that they only have to push buttons to do their jobs.. like washing clothes, instead of having to scrub and thus use energy.. no-one walks far etc. Carr put it well.. it is as if you drive 1000miles per week, then retire. After retirement you put the same amount of fuel in every day, because you always did.. result more than you need..

RANT OVER!!

BTW.. if you have roses in your garden, or lavender, the petals can be dried to make pot pourri.. not so offensive..

J

[Guest guest]

LOL! Perhaps my 'problem' is that my husband loads and unloads the dishwasher for me LOL! Love Chris

Re: Re: To vaccinate or not to vaccinate

Anti bacterials too, the kind the destroy the good bacteria in septic systems.... that's why city ordinances are changing now and the septic system regulations are requiring larger tanks AND annual pumping... cuz the bacteria levels are no longer able to break down the solids...

I refuse to use a dishwasher... the chemicals, the noise, and a HUGE pet peeve of mine... you need something in the kitchen and it's sitting in the dishwasher waiting until enough stuff has accumulated to run a load.... washing by hand, everything is washed up right away and put away right away, ready to use when you have the ambition to cook or bake...

My personal habit whenever I go into the kitchen to cook or bake is run a sink of dishwater so that I can toss stuff in as I work... when I have a couple of minutes here and there while stuff is simmering on the stove or the mixer is mixing or something is baking... I wash the dishes in the sink.. nothing dried on, nothing growing on them... just a very quick wash and set them out to air dry... by the time all the food is cooked and such.. most of the dishes are already washed, dried and put away... I finish up what is left after all the food is portioned and put away.. and done.... Ready for the next round.

Remember, I'm lazy... I do things in the way that requires the least amount of effort or thought..... If I had to rinse everything off, load the dishwasher and then wait for it to be done so that I can crawl back inside the thing (I'm not good with bending over) to unload the thing again and then put it all away.... no thanks.. that ads an extra hour to the kitchen chores.... stuff that I can do at the same time I'm doing the cooking/baking and then just be done with it....

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That might be it!! hehehehehehe

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:30:35 +0100 "" writes:

LOL! Perhaps my 'problem' is that my husband loads and unloads the dishwasher for me LOL! Love Chris

[Guest guest]

washing by

hand, everything is washed up right away and put away right away, ready to use

when you have the ambition to cook or bake...

YES & YES

!!!! My DH and I get up from the

table and do it together in moments, and we wash up the pans etc as we go along

with the cooking.. this way, no waste of resources and none of that salt being

poured into the drains and needing to be extracted by the water company…

I think they

are so horrible, you need to leave stuff drying in there until you have enough

to run it.. YUK..

(you can also get by with less crockery

& cutlery too.. J

)

[Guest guest]

That's true.. you dont' need two or three of everything if you wash as you go..... On baking days I have a routine so that the mixer gets used to start the bread, that has to rest a bit before I knead it so I clean up the mixer bowl to let the dough go through the first two proofs in it... it's the biggest bowl we have and I like to do BIG batches of bread and freeze it too.... so when the bread gets shaped for the final rise the bowl gets washed and the other stuff gets mixed and put in pans and the baking begins... when the bread is ready to bake that gets slipped into the oven too... that's usually the last thing to bake and the other stuff is already knocked out of it's pans, or muffin tins or whatever I was baking and that is laying out to cool and all it's bakeware is washed... so the kitchen is pretty close to all done by the time the bread comes out of the oven... I wash the pans for that... and then stuff gets laid out on the big sheets in the freezer to freeze, next morning it's all bagged up.... done.

My general time table is to start as soon as the house empties in the morning, 6:30 with my breakfast and then get started with the kitchen stuff and whatever laundry or house work I have to do.... and have everything done and in the freezer or set up for the next few days mini meals by noon.... then I'm done with all that stuff for the day.... I do cooking/baking on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays when folks are home... and when they are on vacation I do it as the whim strikes....

Today I'm cleaning my office... with the summer heat I've just done gutted this room good to clean it.. so that is my project for today.... I'm getting everything sorted and properly put away and then getting out the polish to polish the wood and get all the electronics all dusted and polished and all shiny and clean..... I must be in just the right humor for it cuz, so far, it's been fun to do....

.... lets see how I feel when I start sorting all my program CDs! hehehehehe

Topper ()

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:11:20 +0100 "Dianne Lam" writes:

washing by hand, everything is washed up right away and put away right away, ready to use when you have the ambition to cook or bake...

YES & YES !!!! My DH and I get up from the table and do it together in moments, and we wash up the pans etc as we go along with the cooking.. this way, no waste of resources and none of that salt being poured into the drains and needing to be extracted by the water company…

I think they are so horrible, you need to leave stuff drying in there until you have enough to run it.. YUK..

(you can also get by with less crockery & cutlery too.. J )

[Guest guest]

That's true.. you dont' need two or three of everything if you wash as you go..... On baking days I have a routine so that the mixer gets used to start the bread, that has to rest a bit before I knead it so I clean up the mixer bowl to let the dough go through the first two proofs in it... it's the biggest bowl we have and I like to do BIG batches of bread and freeze it too.... so when the bread gets shaped for the final rise the bowl gets washed and the other stuff gets mixed and put in pans and the baking begins... when the bread is ready to bake that gets slipped into the oven too... that's usually the last thing to bake and the other stuff is already knocked out of it's pans, or muffin tins or whatever I was baking and that is laying out to cool and all it's bakeware is washed... so the kitchen is pretty close to all done by the time the bread comes out of the oven... I wash the pans for that... and then stuff gets laid out on the big sheets in the freezer to freeze, next morning it's all bagged up.... done.

My general time table is to start as soon as the house empties in the morning, 6:30 with my breakfast and then get started with the kitchen stuff and whatever laundry or house work I have to do.... and have everything done and in the freezer or set up for the next few days mini meals by noon.... then I'm done with all that stuff for the day.... I do cooking/baking on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays when folks are home... and when they are on vacation I do it as the whim strikes....

Today I'm cleaning my office... with the summer heat I've just done gutted this room good to clean it.. so that is my project for today.... I'm getting everything sorted and properly put away and then getting out the polish to polish the wood and get all the electronics all dusted and polished and all shiny and clean..... I must be in just the right humor for it cuz, so far, it's been fun to do....

.... lets see how I feel when I start sorting all my program CDs! hehehehehe

Topper ()

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:11:20 +0100 "Dianne Lam" writes:

washing by hand, everything is washed up right away and put away right away, ready to use when you have the ambition to cook or bake...

YES & YES !!!! My DH and I get up from the table and do it together in moments, and we wash up the pans etc as we go along with the cooking.. this way, no waste of resources and none of that salt being poured into the drains and needing to be extracted by the water company…

I think they are so horrible, you need to leave stuff drying in there until you have enough to run it.. YUK..

(you can also get by with less crockery & cutlery too.. J )

[Guest guest]

That's true.. you dont' need two or three of everything if you wash as you go..... On baking days I have a routine so that the mixer gets used to start the bread, that has to rest a bit before I knead it so I clean up the mixer bowl to let the dough go through the first two proofs in it... it's the biggest bowl we have and I like to do BIG batches of bread and freeze it too.... so when the bread gets shaped for the final rise the bowl gets washed and the other stuff gets mixed and put in pans and the baking begins... when the bread is ready to bake that gets slipped into the oven too... that's usually the last thing to bake and the other stuff is already knocked out of it's pans, or muffin tins or whatever I was baking and that is laying out to cool and all it's bakeware is washed... so the kitchen is pretty close to all done by the time the bread comes out of the oven... I wash the pans for that... and then stuff gets laid out on the big sheets in the freezer to freeze, next morning it's all bagged up.... done.

My general time table is to start as soon as the house empties in the morning, 6:30 with my breakfast and then get started with the kitchen stuff and whatever laundry or house work I have to do.... and have everything done and in the freezer or set up for the next few days mini meals by noon.... then I'm done with all that stuff for the day.... I do cooking/baking on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays when folks are home... and when they are on vacation I do it as the whim strikes....

Today I'm cleaning my office... with the summer heat I've just done gutted this room good to clean it.. so that is my project for today.... I'm getting everything sorted and properly put away and then getting out the polish to polish the wood and get all the electronics all dusted and polished and all shiny and clean..... I must be in just the right humor for it cuz, so far, it's been fun to do....

.... lets see how I feel when I start sorting all my program CDs! hehehehehe

Topper ()

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:11:20 +0100 "Dianne Lam" writes:

washing by hand, everything is washed up right away and put away right away, ready to use when you have the ambition to cook or bake...

YES & YES !!!! My DH and I get up from the table and do it together in moments, and we wash up the pans etc as we go along with the cooking.. this way, no waste of resources and none of that salt being poured into the drains and needing to be extracted by the water company…

I think they are so horrible, you need to leave stuff drying in there until you have enough to run it.. YUK..

(you can also get by with less crockery & cutlery too.. J )

[Guest guest]

I love baking bread, but since it's just my husband and me to eat it, I either have to greatly reduce recipes or plan to give some away. How does it work to freeze homemade bread? Do I make the dough and freeze it before baking, or will that harm the yeast? I've always wondered, but only think of it when I bake bread, and that's not very often because I love it and I will eat it til it's gone!! If I could plan to freeze most of it in the beginning, then I could have it more often but in much smaller quantities and that would be wonderful.

I learned how to make homemade pasta this summer, and that was so much fun. But as it turned out, it didn't really have that much of a different taste than dried pasta, so I haven't done it in a while. Made my own cheese ravioli and it turned out great, and froze a bunch of it, so I still have some in the freezer. I love to cook. Unfortunately, I also love to eat. Hehehe!!

Re: Re: To vaccinate or not to vaccinate

That's true.. you dont' need two or three of everything if you wash as you go..... On baking days I have a routine so that the mixer gets used to start the bread, that has to rest a bit before I knead it so I clean up the mixer bowl to let the dough go through the first two proofs in it... it's the biggest bowl we have and I like to do BIG batches of bread and freeze it too.... so when the bread gets shaped for the final rise the bowl gets washed and the other stuff gets mixed and put in pans and the baking begins... when the bread is ready to bake that gets slipped into the oven too... that's usually the last thing to bake and the other stuff is already knocked out of it's pans, or muffin tins or whatever I was baking and that is laying out to cool and all it's bakeware is washed... so the kitchen is pretty close to all done by the time the bread comes out of the oven... I wash the pans for that... and then stuff gets laid out on the big sheets in the freezer to freeze, next morning it's all bagged up.... done.

My general time table is to start as soon as the house empties in the morning, 6:30 with my breakfast and then get started with the kitchen stuff and whatever laundry or house work I have to do.... and have everything done and in the freezer or set up for the next few days mini meals by noon.... then I'm done with all that stuff for the day.... I do cooking/baking on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays when folks are home... and when they are on vacation I do it as the whim strikes....

Today I'm cleaning my office... with the summer heat I've just done gutted this room good to clean it.. so that is my project for today.... I'm getting everything sorted and properly put away and then getting out the polish to polish the wood and get all the electronics all dusted and polished and all shiny and clean..... I must be in just the right humor for it cuz, so far, it's been fun to do....

.... lets see how I feel when I start sorting all my program CDs! hehehehehe

Topper ()

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:11:20 +0100 "Dianne Lam" writes:

washing by hand, everything is washed up right away and put away right away, ready to use when you have the ambition to cook or bake...

YES & YES !!!! My DH and I get up from the table and do it together in moments, and we wash up the pans etc as we go along with the cooking.. this way, no waste of resources and none of that salt being poured into the drains and needing to be extracted by the water company…

I think they are so horrible, you need to leave stuff drying in there until you have enough to run it.. YUK..

(you can also get by with less crockery & cutlery too.. J )

[Guest guest]

I love baking bread, but since it's just my husband and me to eat it, I either have to greatly reduce recipes or plan to give some away. How does it work to freeze homemade bread? Do I make the dough and freeze it before baking, or will that harm the yeast? I've always wondered, but only think of it when I bake bread, and that's not very often because I love it and I will eat it til it's gone!! If I could plan to freeze most of it in the beginning, then I could have it more often but in much smaller quantities and that would be wonderful.

I learned how to make homemade pasta this summer, and that was so much fun. But as it turned out, it didn't really have that much of a different taste than dried pasta, so I haven't done it in a while. Made my own cheese ravioli and it turned out great, and froze a bunch of it, so I still have some in the freezer. I love to cook. Unfortunately, I also love to eat. Hehehe!!

Re: Re: To vaccinate or not to vaccinate

That's true.. you dont' need two or three of everything if you wash as you go..... On baking days I have a routine so that the mixer gets used to start the bread, that has to rest a bit before I knead it so I clean up the mixer bowl to let the dough go through the first two proofs in it... it's the biggest bowl we have and I like to do BIG batches of bread and freeze it too.... so when the bread gets shaped for the final rise the bowl gets washed and the other stuff gets mixed and put in pans and the baking begins... when the bread is ready to bake that gets slipped into the oven too... that's usually the last thing to bake and the other stuff is already knocked out of it's pans, or muffin tins or whatever I was baking and that is laying out to cool and all it's bakeware is washed... so the kitchen is pretty close to all done by the time the bread comes out of the oven... I wash the pans for that... and then stuff gets laid out on the big sheets in the freezer to freeze, next morning it's all bagged up.... done.

My general time table is to start as soon as the house empties in the morning, 6:30 with my breakfast and then get started with the kitchen stuff and whatever laundry or house work I have to do.... and have everything done and in the freezer or set up for the next few days mini meals by noon.... then I'm done with all that stuff for the day.... I do cooking/baking on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays when folks are home... and when they are on vacation I do it as the whim strikes....

Today I'm cleaning my office... with the summer heat I've just done gutted this room good to clean it.. so that is my project for today.... I'm getting everything sorted and properly put away and then getting out the polish to polish the wood and get all the electronics all dusted and polished and all shiny and clean..... I must be in just the right humor for it cuz, so far, it's been fun to do....

.... lets see how I feel when I start sorting all my program CDs! hehehehehe

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:11:20 +0100 "Dianne Lam" writes:

washing by hand, everything is washed up right away and put away right away, ready to use when you have the ambition to cook or bake...

YES & YES !!!! My DH and I get up from the table and do it together in moments, and we wash up the pans etc as we go along with the cooking.. this way, no waste of resources and none of that salt being poured into the drains and needing to be extracted by the water company…

I think they are so horrible, you need to leave stuff drying in there until you have enough to run it.. YUK..

(you can also get by with less crockery & cutlery too.. J )

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I love baking bread, but since it's just my husband and me to eat it, I either have to greatly reduce recipes or plan to give some away. How does it work to freeze homemade bread? Do I make the dough and freeze it before baking, or will that harm the yeast? I've always wondered, but only think of it when I bake bread, and that's not very often because I love it and I will eat it til it's gone!! If I could plan to freeze most of it in the beginning, then I could have it more often but in much smaller quantities and that would be wonderful.

I learned how to make homemade pasta this summer, and that was so much fun. But as it turned out, it didn't really have that much of a different taste than dried pasta, so I haven't done it in a while. Made my own cheese ravioli and it turned out great, and froze a bunch of it, so I still have some in the freezer. I love to cook. Unfortunately, I also love to eat. Hehehe!!

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That's true.. you dont' need two or three of everything if you wash as you go..... On baking days I have a routine so that the mixer gets used to start the bread, that has to rest a bit before I knead it so I clean up the mixer bowl to let the dough go through the first two proofs in it... it's the biggest bowl we have and I like to do BIG batches of bread and freeze it too.... so when the bread gets shaped for the final rise the bowl gets washed and the other stuff gets mixed and put in pans and the baking begins... when the bread is ready to bake that gets slipped into the oven too... that's usually the last thing to bake and the other stuff is already knocked out of it's pans, or muffin tins or whatever I was baking and that is laying out to cool and all it's bakeware is washed... so the kitchen is pretty close to all done by the time the bread comes out of the oven... I wash the pans for that... and then stuff gets laid out on the big sheets in the freezer to freeze, next morning it's all bagged up.... done.

My general time table is to start as soon as the house empties in the morning, 6:30 with my breakfast and then get started with the kitchen stuff and whatever laundry or house work I have to do.... and have everything done and in the freezer or set up for the next few days mini meals by noon.... then I'm done with all that stuff for the day.... I do cooking/baking on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays when folks are home... and when they are on vacation I do it as the whim strikes....

Today I'm cleaning my office... with the summer heat I've just done gutted this room good to clean it.. so that is my project for today.... I'm getting everything sorted and properly put away and then getting out the polish to polish the wood and get all the electronics all dusted and polished and all shiny and clean..... I must be in just the right humor for it cuz, so far, it's been fun to do....

.... lets see how I feel when I start sorting all my program CDs! hehehehehe

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:11:20 +0100 "Dianne Lam" writes:

washing by hand, everything is washed up right away and put away right away, ready to use when you have the ambition to cook or bake...

YES & YES !!!! My DH and I get up from the table and do it together in moments, and we wash up the pans etc as we go along with the cooking.. this way, no waste of resources and none of that salt being poured into the drains and needing to be extracted by the water company…

I think they are so horrible, you need to leave stuff drying in there until you have enough to run it.. YUK..

(you can also get by with less crockery & cutlery too.. J )

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I've conquered the bread thing... I do mini meal sized buns!!

I make the dough in the batch size I need to fill the half sheet pans that I have with mini buns.. they are about 2/3 of a cup size. In my case 72 of them fit on a sheet.... I bake up the whole batch and then pull the buns apart and separate them. I let them sit upside down for a couple of hours.... then right side up for another hour or so, this forms a crust on the buns and gets rid of the surface moisture.. then you can move them to the freezer, still spread out on the cookie sheets and freeze them.. then bulk bag them... then when you want some of your good bread with a meal you can grab just one bun, for the mini meal...

I have frozen bread dough successfully. You let it go through the first two proofs and then shape it.. then immediately freeze it... when you want to bake it you have to grease the outside... pretty much follow the same routine as the frozen loaves that you buy at the store. It works... but I ended up with the whole loaf thing... at a period during which I ate the whole loaf... I did the mini buns until I got the bread gorging under control and could stop at the proper portion size... I have found that by doing bread regularly I don't gorge on it any more... it's a normal part of meals, though not at every meal.... and just tastes good.

What I am doing now is baking my breads in the shape of french bread loaves.. it's really quick to do that way, then, then freeze, I quarter the loaves and take them out of the freezer one quarter loaf at a time.. that why the are always fresh and I usually can kill it in a couple of days, spreading it out.

One thing I've noticed is that it takes some adjusting to get used to doing things in smaller portions.... like when you're used to huge sandwiches, big slices of cake or pies... and lasagna.. that was a challenge.. to figure out mini meal size portions for home made lasagna..... It looked sooooo tiny.. but the calorie content and volume of food was correct for a mini meal portion....but it was like 1/4 of what I had been eating when I baked lasagna.... Oh.. that's freezable in portions too. Quick tip.... bake the lasagna as you normally would.. then let it cool and put it in the fridge over night.. the next day it will slice into clean square peices and can be frozen and then bulk bagged.... Then you can take out just a portion at a time when you want lasagna.. and not pig out on a half a pan!!! hehehehehe

I used to do HEAPs of spaghetti when I made spaghetti sauce... Now that I know how to do the mini meal portions of the sauce.... I can cook up just a couple of mini meals worth of pasta and put on the chunks of sauce... and have a realistic serving size... and not a huge plate full and going back for seconds, like I used to do....

The fun part about a really good mini meal, the kind where you're mouth and tummy are doing the yum yum dance and you want to go for seconds? Just remind yourself that you can eat in just two more hours.... Why two hours? Well... it's easier to say than 2 hours and 45 minutes..... and, well, it's a head game... you get to have more, soon... guilt free, in a healthy way, good for your body, your meds... your health.... and it will taste just as yummy and delectable in two hours as it does right now... with NO guilt..

.... but do the 'I get to eat in just two more hours' song silently to yourself... otherwise the people around you... well... they kind of move away in little steps...so as not to rile you and make you do something REALLY crazy!!! hehehehehehe

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:29:53 -0400 " " writes:

I love baking bread, but since it's just my husband and me to eat it, I either have to greatly reduce recipes or plan to give some away. How does it work to freeze homemade bread? Do I make the dough and freeze it before baking, or will that harm the yeast? I've always wondered, but only think of it when I bake bread, and that's not very often because I love it and I will eat it til it's gone!! If I could plan to freeze most of it in the beginning, then I could have it more often but in much smaller quantities and that would be wonderful.

I learned how to make homemade pasta this summer, and that was so much fun. But as it turned out, it didn't really have that much of a different taste than dried pasta, so I haven't done it in a while. Made my own cheese ravioli and it turned out great, and froze a bunch of it, so I still have some in the freezer. I love to cook. Unfortunately, I also love to eat. Hehehe!!

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I have developed a terrible sensitivity to bleach, also mint.....

One symptom that a lot of people have that have lupus is an allergy to bleach(chlorine)

Feisty

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Ooooh - so there's bleach in dishwasher powder?????? Not thought about that! Love Chris

That brings up an interesting thought.... I used to use bleach a lot for cleaning.... When it got poison ivy the first time I practically bathed in it and it got me through the infection.... in later years I started not liking the smell much... now... I can smell the chlorine when the dishwasher is running... on the other side of the house!!!

We have a private well, for water, so our water has no chlorine of fluorine in it.. so it's the chemical in the dishwasher gel stuff.... No wonder that stuff kills septic systems.... Pet peeve of mine... I'll shut up now....

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[Guest guest]

I have developed a terrible sensitivity to bleach, also mint.....

One symptom that a lot of people have that have lupus is an allergy to bleach(chlorine)

Feisty

Re: Re: To vaccinate or not to vaccinate

Ooooh - so there's bleach in dishwasher powder?????? Not thought about that! Love Chris

That brings up an interesting thought.... I used to use bleach a lot for cleaning.... When it got poison ivy the first time I practically bathed in it and it got me through the infection.... in later years I started not liking the smell much... now... I can smell the chlorine when the dishwasher is running... on the other side of the house!!!

We have a private well, for water, so our water has no chlorine of fluorine in it.. so it's the chemical in the dishwasher gel stuff.... No wonder that stuff kills septic systems.... Pet peeve of mine... I'll shut up now....

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[Guest guest]

I have developed a terrible sensitivity to bleach, also mint.....

One symptom that a lot of people have that have lupus is an allergy to bleach(chlorine)

Feisty

Re: Re: To vaccinate or not to vaccinate

Ooooh - so there's bleach in dishwasher powder?????? Not thought about that! Love Chris

That brings up an interesting thought.... I used to use bleach a lot for cleaning.... When it got poison ivy the first time I practically bathed in it and it got me through the infection.... in later years I started not liking the smell much... now... I can smell the chlorine when the dishwasher is running... on the other side of the house!!!

We have a private well, for water, so our water has no chlorine of fluorine in it.. so it's the chemical in the dishwasher gel stuff.... No wonder that stuff kills septic systems.... Pet peeve of mine... I'll shut up now....

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[Guest guest]

NO! You are NOT LAZY!

You are efficient.....

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Anti bacterials too, the kind the destroy the good bacteria in septic systems.... that's why city ordinances are changing now and the septic system regulations are requiring larger tanks AND annual pumping... cuz the bacteria levels are no longer able to break down the solids...

I refuse to use a dishwasher... the chemicals, the noise, and a HUGE pet peeve of mine... you need something in the kitchen and it's sitting in the dishwasher waiting until enough stuff has accumulated to run a load.... washing by hand, everything is washed up right away and put away right away, ready to use when you have the ambition to cook or bake...

My personal habit whenever I go into the kitchen to cook or bake is run a sink of dishwater so that I can toss stuff in as I work... when I have a couple of minutes here and there while stuff is simmering on the stove or the mixer is mixing or something is baking... I wash the dishes in the sink.. nothing dried on, nothing growing on them... just a very quick wash and set them out to air dry... by the time all the food is cooked and such.. most of the dishes are already washed, dried and put away... I finish up what is left after all the food is portioned and put away.. and done.... Ready for the next round.

Remember, I'm lazy... I do things in the way that requires the least amount of effort or thought..... If I had to rinse everything off, load the dishwasher and then wait for it to be done so that I can crawl back inside the thing (I'm not good with bending over) to unload the thing again and then put it all away.... no thanks.. that ads an extra hour to the kitchen chores.... stuff that I can do at the same time I'm doing the cooking/baking and then just be done with it....

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:05:32 +0100 "" writes:

Ooooh - so there's bleach in dishwasher powder?????? Not thought about that! Love Chris

[Guest guest]

NO! You are NOT LAZY!

You are efficient.....

Re: Re: To vaccinate or not to vaccinate

Anti bacterials too, the kind the destroy the good bacteria in septic systems.... that's why city ordinances are changing now and the septic system regulations are requiring larger tanks AND annual pumping... cuz the bacteria levels are no longer able to break down the solids...

I refuse to use a dishwasher... the chemicals, the noise, and a HUGE pet peeve of mine... you need something in the kitchen and it's sitting in the dishwasher waiting until enough stuff has accumulated to run a load.... washing by hand, everything is washed up right away and put away right away, ready to use when you have the ambition to cook or bake...

My personal habit whenever I go into the kitchen to cook or bake is run a sink of dishwater so that I can toss stuff in as I work... when I have a couple of minutes here and there while stuff is simmering on the stove or the mixer is mixing or something is baking... I wash the dishes in the sink.. nothing dried on, nothing growing on them... just a very quick wash and set them out to air dry... by the time all the food is cooked and such.. most of the dishes are already washed, dried and put away... I finish up what is left after all the food is portioned and put away.. and done.... Ready for the next round.

Remember, I'm lazy... I do things in the way that requires the least amount of effort or thought..... If I had to rinse everything off, load the dishwasher and then wait for it to be done so that I can crawl back inside the thing (I'm not good with bending over) to unload the thing again and then put it all away.... no thanks.. that ads an extra hour to the kitchen chores.... stuff that I can do at the same time I'm doing the cooking/baking and then just be done with it....

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:05:32 +0100 "" writes:

Ooooh - so there's bleach in dishwasher powder?????? Not thought about that! Love Chris

[Guest guest]

NO! You are NOT LAZY!

You are efficient.....

Re: Re: To vaccinate or not to vaccinate

Anti bacterials too, the kind the destroy the good bacteria in septic systems.... that's why city ordinances are changing now and the septic system regulations are requiring larger tanks AND annual pumping... cuz the bacteria levels are no longer able to break down the solids...

I refuse to use a dishwasher... the chemicals, the noise, and a HUGE pet peeve of mine... you need something in the kitchen and it's sitting in the dishwasher waiting until enough stuff has accumulated to run a load.... washing by hand, everything is washed up right away and put away right away, ready to use when you have the ambition to cook or bake...

My personal habit whenever I go into the kitchen to cook or bake is run a sink of dishwater so that I can toss stuff in as I work... when I have a couple of minutes here and there while stuff is simmering on the stove or the mixer is mixing or something is baking... I wash the dishes in the sink.. nothing dried on, nothing growing on them... just a very quick wash and set them out to air dry... by the time all the food is cooked and such.. most of the dishes are already washed, dried and put away... I finish up what is left after all the food is portioned and put away.. and done.... Ready for the next round.

Remember, I'm lazy... I do things in the way that requires the least amount of effort or thought..... If I had to rinse everything off, load the dishwasher and then wait for it to be done so that I can crawl back inside the thing (I'm not good with bending over) to unload the thing again and then put it all away.... no thanks.. that ads an extra hour to the kitchen chores.... stuff that I can do at the same time I'm doing the cooking/baking and then just be done with it....

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:05:32 +0100 "" writes:

Ooooh - so there's bleach in dishwasher powder?????? Not thought about that! Love Chris

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Did someone say Cheese?

On my way!

Re: Re: To vaccinate or not to vaccinate

That's true.. you dont' need two or three of everything if you wash as you go..... On baking days I have a routine so that the mixer gets used to start the bread, that has to rest a bit before I knead it so I clean up the mixer bowl to let the dough go through the first two proofs in it... it's the biggest bowl we have and I like to do BIG batches of bread and freeze it too.... so when the bread gets shaped for the final rise the bowl gets washed and the other stuff gets mixed and put in pans and the baking begins... when the bread is ready to bake that gets slipped into the oven too... that's usually the last thing to bake and the other stuff is already knocked out of it's pans, or muffin tins or whatever I was baking and that is laying out to cool and all it's bakeware is washed... so the kitchen is pretty close to all done by the time the bread comes out of the oven... I wash the pans for that... and then stuff gets laid out on the big sheets in the freezer to freeze, next morning it's all bagged up.... done.

My general time table is to start as soon as the house empties in the morning, 6:30 with my breakfast and then get started with the kitchen stuff and whatever laundry or house work I have to do.... and have everything done and in the freezer or set up for the next few days mini meals by noon.... then I'm done with all that stuff for the day.... I do cooking/baking on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays when folks are home... and when they are on vacation I do it as the whim strikes....

Today I'm cleaning my office... with the summer heat I've just done gutted this room good to clean it.. so that is my project for today.... I'm getting everything sorted and properly put away and then getting out the polish to polish the wood and get all the electronics all dusted and polished and all shiny and clean..... I must be in just the right humor for it cuz, so far, it's been fun to do....

.... lets see how I feel when I start sorting all my program CDs! hehehehehe

Topper ()

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:11:20 +0100 "Dianne Lam" writes:

washing by hand, everything is washed up right away and put away right away, ready to use when you have the ambition to cook or bake...

YES & YES !!!! My DH and I get up from the table and do it together in moments, and we wash up the pans etc as we go along with the cooking.. this way, no waste of resources and none of that salt being poured into the drains and needing to be extracted by the water company…

I think they are so horrible, you need to leave stuff drying in there until you have enough to run it.. YUK..

(you can also get by with less crockery & cutlery too.. J )