Re: Re: New proposed levels/Teachers

[Guest guest]

:

2 MONTHS PAID VACATION for summer break.

Not really....the paychecks that come over the summer have been taken out of

the years pay. Could opt to not get summer pay as well.

They work 8 hr days,

Not really....my day never ended after 8hrs.......NEVER! May have gone home

after 8, but that's about it.

But just with the comparison here, if it wasn't for the fact that I don't

have the patience to deal with the students I would get the BS degree and work

that job over EMS anyday.

There is no comparison, done both--....although just like EMS, you shouldnt

teach just for the paycheck--it's definitely not worth that!! (and pts/students

will suffer)

Kathi

[Guest guest]

Kathi, that was an excellent rebuttal. I'd hoped someone would take those

flawed assumptions to task. let me add another point by asking a question.

While teaching, how often did you take money out of your own pocket to buy

supplies not provided by your employer?

Still, we are failing in this thread to address what is needed. We are again

falling into the trap of " what's in it for me? " We need to think globally

and consider the effect our actions (or inactions) today will have on future

generations. We are past the point of immediate gratification and nothing we

do (or fail to do) today will have immediate effect. Those who follow us in

this profession will be the ones having to deal with our messes.

As has pointed out, the way to proceed is to organize. If we

are not united and working in the same direction we may as well just hang up

our spurs. The best means to organize is within the folds of a professional

association. Every person reading this message should be a member of at

least two professional associations. The National Association of EMT's

[http://www.naemt.org/], and the Emergency Medical Services Association of

Texas [http://www.emsatoftx.org/]. If you aren't, you don't have a horse in

this race.

Regards,

Donn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P

" Bury me on my face ... because in a little while everything will be

turned upside down. "

~~ Laertius Diogenes (c. 320 BC) ~~

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From: T68b@...

Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 8:10 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: New proposed levels/Teachers

:

2 MONTHS PAID VACATION for summer break.

Not really....the paychecks that come over the summer have been

taken out of

the years pay. Could opt to not get summer pay as well.

They work 8 hr days,

Not really....my day never ended after 8hrs.......NEVER! May have

gone home

after 8, but that's about it.

But just with the comparison here, if it wasn't for the fact that I

don't

have the patience to deal with the students I would get the BS

degree and work

that job over EMS anyday.

There is no comparison, done both--....although just like EMS, you

shouldnt

teach just for the paycheck--it's definitely not worth that!! (and

pts/students

will suffer)

Kathi

[Guest guest]

Kathi, that was an excellent rebuttal. I'd hoped someone would take those

flawed assumptions to task. let me add another point by asking a question.

While teaching, how often did you take money out of your own pocket to buy

supplies not provided by your employer?

Still, we are failing in this thread to address what is needed. We are again

falling into the trap of " what's in it for me? " We need to think globally

and consider the effect our actions (or inactions) today will have on future

generations. We are past the point of immediate gratification and nothing we

do (or fail to do) today will have immediate effect. Those who follow us in

this profession will be the ones having to deal with our messes.

As has pointed out, the way to proceed is to organize. If we

are not united and working in the same direction we may as well just hang up

our spurs. The best means to organize is within the folds of a professional

association. Every person reading this message should be a member of at

least two professional associations. The National Association of EMT's

[http://www.naemt.org/], and the Emergency Medical Services Association of

Texas [http://www.emsatoftx.org/]. If you aren't, you don't have a horse in

this race.

Regards,

Donn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P

" Bury me on my face ... because in a little while everything will be

turned upside down. "

~~ Laertius Diogenes (c. 320 BC) ~~

Don't Miss EMStock 2005

www.EMStock.com

May 20 - 22, 2005

________________________________

From: T68b@...

Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 8:10 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: New proposed levels/Teachers

:

2 MONTHS PAID VACATION for summer break.

Not really....the paychecks that come over the summer have been

taken out of

the years pay. Could opt to not get summer pay as well.

They work 8 hr days,

Not really....my day never ended after 8hrs.......NEVER! May have

gone home

after 8, but that's about it.

But just with the comparison here, if it wasn't for the fact that I

don't

have the patience to deal with the students I would get the BS

degree and work

that job over EMS anyday.

There is no comparison, done both--....although just like EMS, you

shouldnt

teach just for the paycheck--it's definitely not worth that!! (and

pts/students

will suffer)

Kathi

[Guest guest]

Kathi, that was an excellent rebuttal. I'd hoped someone would take those

flawed assumptions to task. let me add another point by asking a question.

While teaching, how often did you take money out of your own pocket to buy

supplies not provided by your employer?

Still, we are failing in this thread to address what is needed. We are again

falling into the trap of " what's in it for me? " We need to think globally

and consider the effect our actions (or inactions) today will have on future

generations. We are past the point of immediate gratification and nothing we

do (or fail to do) today will have immediate effect. Those who follow us in

this profession will be the ones having to deal with our messes.

As has pointed out, the way to proceed is to organize. If we

are not united and working in the same direction we may as well just hang up

our spurs. The best means to organize is within the folds of a professional

association. Every person reading this message should be a member of at

least two professional associations. The National Association of EMT's

[http://www.naemt.org/], and the Emergency Medical Services Association of

Texas [http://www.emsatoftx.org/]. If you aren't, you don't have a horse in

this race.

Regards,

Donn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P

" Bury me on my face ... because in a little while everything will be

turned upside down. "

~~ Laertius Diogenes (c. 320 BC) ~~

Don't Miss EMStock 2005

www.EMStock.com

May 20 - 22, 2005

________________________________

From: T68b@...

Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 8:10 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: New proposed levels/Teachers

:

2 MONTHS PAID VACATION for summer break.

Not really....the paychecks that come over the summer have been

taken out of

the years pay. Could opt to not get summer pay as well.

They work 8 hr days,

Not really....my day never ended after 8hrs.......NEVER! May have

gone home

after 8, but that's about it.

But just with the comparison here, if it wasn't for the fact that I

don't

have the patience to deal with the students I would get the BS

degree and work

that job over EMS anyday.

There is no comparison, done both--....although just like EMS, you

shouldnt

teach just for the paycheck--it's definitely not worth that!! (and

pts/students

will suffer)

Kathi