mental illness

[Guest guest]

> Tommy,

> From reading your posts, I am beginning to think that you are indeed

> mentally ill, and are in denial of that fact, and thus not taking

> medications you should probably be taking.

Dixie,

I think you are so insecure that you have a dire need to validate

yourself by invalidating others. The best thing your boyfriend can do

is dump you. You will always have a need to bring him down, just as

you have a need to gaze at the world through ideological glasses of

Other as villan and YOU as judge. I won't be reading your posts

anymore. One of the major themes of this list is freedom, hence the

name 12-step-free. You are a disgrace to the concept of freedom and

it is a shame that people like you live in this country. I did hear

through the rumor mill that you are a quick learner though. I heard

that as a young woman you flew your broom solo after only two hours of

duel instruction.

Disrespectfully,

Tommy

[Guest guest]

> Tommy,

> From reading your posts, I am beginning to think that you are indeed

> mentally ill, and are in denial of that fact, and thus not taking

> medications you should probably be taking.

Dixie,

I think you are so insecure that you have a dire need to validate

yourself by invalidating others. The best thing your boyfriend can do

is dump you. You will always have a need to bring him down, just as

you have a need to gaze at the world through ideological glasses of

Other as villan and YOU as judge. I won't be reading your posts

anymore. One of the major themes of this list is freedom, hence the

name 12-step-free. You are a disgrace to the concept of freedom and

it is a shame that people like you live in this country. I did hear

through the rumor mill that you are a quick learner though. I heard

that as a young woman you flew your broom solo after only two hours of

duel instruction.

Disrespectfully,

Tommy

[Guest guest]

I'm so glad you brought this up, Rita. I saw an hour program on this

last year and the thing that stands in my mind is that the family of

the victim went on a huge campaign to boost the Therapeutic State, the

institution which made this whole thing possible. This man had been

extremely violent many times before, assaulting women in the psych

hospital. Seems like I recall about fifteen times. The man should

have been in prison, not at the subway. Szasz also mentions this case

in the Reason interview and says that even first violent assaults

should bring five year sentences.

THE MAN IS NOT SICK, HE IS SICKENING. HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL ON

THE FIRST VIOLENT ASSAULT FOR YEARS. THE SECOND FOR LIFE. HE SHOULD

NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE SUBWAY THAT DAY. WE THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT BE

FORCED TO PAY FOR THE PROPAGATION OF MYTHS WHICH MANY OF US

DISBELIEVE, NAMELY MENTAL ILLNESS. FURTHERMORE, MENTAL HOSPITALS ARE

NOT ONLY A WASTE OF MONEY BUT THEY ARE TORTURE CHAMBERS. THE MURDERER

SHOULD BE SIX FEET UNDER. WHY SHOULD THE CITIZENS ON NEW YOUK NOW BE

FORCED TO MAINTAIN HIM????????????????????????????????????????

The " mentally

ill " man who pushed Kendra Webdale to her death in front of a New York

City subway train had told psychiatrists that he occasionally got

urges to push, shove, and kick total strangers, and he had been thrown

out of several stores for pushing patrons into the shelves (though no

one had been seriously injured). The psychiatrists had all

recommended medication and ongoing therapy for the man, but he chose

not to comply. It would have been wrong from a civil liberties

standpoint to lock up this man for any length of time -- pushing

someone in a bookstore doesn't merit much jail time -- and also wrong

to force neuroleptics down his throat -- but left to his own devices,

he got one of his psychotic urges to shove a stranger and it just

happened to be at the edge of a subway platform.

>

> In the furor after Webdale's death, the New York legislature

passed " Kendra's Law " , which mandates incarceration for anyone

diagnosed as " paranoid schizophrenic " who refuses to take medication.

This law gives me the willies -- Take This Drug Or You'll Never See

The Light Of Day!! -- but as I say, I can empathize with the Webdale

family. There are no easy answers, but something should have been

able to prevent that tragedy.

>

> ~Rita

[Guest guest]

I'm so glad you brought this up, Rita. I saw an hour program on this

last year and the thing that stands in my mind is that the family of

the victim went on a huge campaign to boost the Therapeutic State, the

institution which made this whole thing possible. This man had been

extremely violent many times before, assaulting women in the psych

hospital. Seems like I recall about fifteen times. The man should

have been in prison, not at the subway. Szasz also mentions this case

in the Reason interview and says that even first violent assaults

should bring five year sentences.

THE MAN IS NOT SICK, HE IS SICKENING. HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL ON

THE FIRST VIOLENT ASSAULT FOR YEARS. THE SECOND FOR LIFE. HE SHOULD

NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE SUBWAY THAT DAY. WE THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT BE

FORCED TO PAY FOR THE PROPAGATION OF MYTHS WHICH MANY OF US

DISBELIEVE, NAMELY MENTAL ILLNESS. FURTHERMORE, MENTAL HOSPITALS ARE

NOT ONLY A WASTE OF MONEY BUT THEY ARE TORTURE CHAMBERS. THE MURDERER

SHOULD BE SIX FEET UNDER. WHY SHOULD THE CITIZENS ON NEW YOUK NOW BE

FORCED TO MAINTAIN HIM????????????????????????????????????????

The " mentally

ill " man who pushed Kendra Webdale to her death in front of a New York

City subway train had told psychiatrists that he occasionally got

urges to push, shove, and kick total strangers, and he had been thrown

out of several stores for pushing patrons into the shelves (though no

one had been seriously injured). The psychiatrists had all

recommended medication and ongoing therapy for the man, but he chose

not to comply. It would have been wrong from a civil liberties

standpoint to lock up this man for any length of time -- pushing

someone in a bookstore doesn't merit much jail time -- and also wrong

to force neuroleptics down his throat -- but left to his own devices,

he got one of his psychotic urges to shove a stranger and it just

happened to be at the edge of a subway platform.

>

> In the furor after Webdale's death, the New York legislature

passed " Kendra's Law " , which mandates incarceration for anyone

diagnosed as " paranoid schizophrenic " who refuses to take medication.

This law gives me the willies -- Take This Drug Or You'll Never See

The Light Of Day!! -- but as I say, I can empathize with the Webdale

family. There are no easy answers, but something should have been

able to prevent that tragedy.

>

> ~Rita

[Guest guest]

I'm so glad you brought this up, Rita. I saw an hour program on this

last year and the thing that stands in my mind is that the family of

the victim went on a huge campaign to boost the Therapeutic State, the

institution which made this whole thing possible. This man had been

extremely violent many times before, assaulting women in the psych

hospital. Seems like I recall about fifteen times. The man should

have been in prison, not at the subway. Szasz also mentions this case

in the Reason interview and says that even first violent assaults

should bring five year sentences.

THE MAN IS NOT SICK, HE IS SICKENING. HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL ON

THE FIRST VIOLENT ASSAULT FOR YEARS. THE SECOND FOR LIFE. HE SHOULD

NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE SUBWAY THAT DAY. WE THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT BE

FORCED TO PAY FOR THE PROPAGATION OF MYTHS WHICH MANY OF US

DISBELIEVE, NAMELY MENTAL ILLNESS. FURTHERMORE, MENTAL HOSPITALS ARE

NOT ONLY A WASTE OF MONEY BUT THEY ARE TORTURE CHAMBERS. THE MURDERER

SHOULD BE SIX FEET UNDER. WHY SHOULD THE CITIZENS ON NEW YOUK NOW BE

FORCED TO MAINTAIN HIM????????????????????????????????????????

The " mentally

ill " man who pushed Kendra Webdale to her death in front of a New York

City subway train had told psychiatrists that he occasionally got

urges to push, shove, and kick total strangers, and he had been thrown

out of several stores for pushing patrons into the shelves (though no

one had been seriously injured). The psychiatrists had all

recommended medication and ongoing therapy for the man, but he chose

not to comply. It would have been wrong from a civil liberties

standpoint to lock up this man for any length of time -- pushing

someone in a bookstore doesn't merit much jail time -- and also wrong

to force neuroleptics down his throat -- but left to his own devices,

he got one of his psychotic urges to shove a stranger and it just

happened to be at the edge of a subway platform.

>

> In the furor after Webdale's death, the New York legislature

passed " Kendra's Law " , which mandates incarceration for anyone

diagnosed as " paranoid schizophrenic " who refuses to take medication.

This law gives me the willies -- Take This Drug Or You'll Never See

The Light Of Day!! -- but as I say, I can empathize with the Webdale

family. There are no easy answers, but something should have been

able to prevent that tragedy.

>

> ~Rita

[Guest guest]

Wait! Tommy gets even funnier! He accuses me of being anti-freedom, then he

wants to lock someone up for pushing people into store shelves! And even

though he doesn't want us to medicate people against their will, it sounds

like he has a take-no-mercy view towards mentally ill people and he wants

us to kill them at the first opportunity. You're funnnnnny, Tommy.

The man should

>have been in prison, not at the subway. Szasz also mentions this case

>in the Reason interview and says that even first violent assaults

>should bring five year sentences.

>

>THE MAN IS NOT SICK, HE IS SICKENING. HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL ON

>THE FIRST VIOLENT ASSAULT FOR YEARS. THE SECOND FOR LIFE. HE SHOULD

>NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE SUBWAY THAT DAY. WE THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT BE

>FORCED TO PAY FOR THE PROPAGATION OF MYTHS WHICH MANY OF US

>DISBELIEVE, NAMELY MENTAL ILLNESS. FURTHERMORE, MENTAL HOSPITALS ARE

>NOT ONLY A WASTE OF MONEY BUT THEY ARE TORTURE CHAMBERS. THE MURDERER

>SHOULD BE SIX FEET UNDER. WHY SHOULD THE CITIZENS ON NEW YOUK NOW BE

>FORCED TO MAINTAIN HIM????????????????????????????????????????

Tommy, why don't you set about changing mental hospitals? Instead of trying

to deny that mental illness exists, thereby painting yourself as a kook,

recognize that it exists, and do something to alter the conditions in

mental hospitals. You know what? Prisons are hell holes too. That's why I'm

trying to keep my BF out of one. His crime is DWI--a serious one, no doubt,

but a slender guy like him would be fuckmeat in prison. Texas prisons are

horrible. You're forced to join a gang depending on your skin color (the

only guy I know who escaped from that was Goldstein. Since he's

white, the Mexican Mafia and the blacks didn't want him. But since he's

Jewish, the Aryan Brotherhood didn't want him. So he wasn't forced to join

a gang and was left alone by most of the other guys. It helps that is

a big guy and can hold his own in a fight.) you're forced to fight people

of other races. Little guys like my BF, those who don't know how to fight,

are forced to become some big guy's fuckbuddy to gain protection from being

beaten and raped.

You don't like mental hospitals, then DO SOMETHING about them. Don't just

sit there and bitch and moan and pretend that everyone in them is normal

and doesn't have a problem. Document the problems in mental hospitals, then

take the evidence to the state licensing boards and to your state and

national congresscritters. DO SOMETHING. Otherwise, you're just a

irritating whiner who comes across as a taco short of a combination plate.

Warehouses for old folks (aka nursing homes) are horrendous places too. So

are places where severely retarded people are warehoused. Retarded people

are raped, beaten--they're horrible, horrible places. But your contention

that there is no such thing as mental illness is as logical and as valid as

saying there is no such thing as mental retardation. If there's no such

thing as mental retardation, then are those 50 year olds wearing diapers,

those people who have never learned to speak, those who basically just lie

there day after day after day, unable to walk (they've never learned

how)--are we to assume they're normal? Should we throw them out on the

streets? What about those who can walk and make some utterances, but cannot

make sentences, cannot perform basic tasks, at 30 years old still have to

have their ass wiped because they don't know how to do it themselves--are

they normal Tommy?

If mental hospitals are torture chambers, which I agree they probably are,

then CHANGE THEM. Do something to change them. Write letters. Don't insist

that there is no such thing as mental illness, because most people know

better. You paint yourself as a lunatic if you insist that there is no such

thing as mental illness, just as you paint yourself as a lunatic if you

insist there is no such thing as mental retardation. But write letters,

document abuse, do something to change them.

Oh, and BTW Tommy, you might check out what Greece does to their mentally

disabled (retarded and ill)--they used to just abandon them in the woods to

starve or be killed by animals. As recently as the 1950's. Now they put

them in cages. For life. Or you might check out what Russia and other

former Soviet Union countries do. Pretty much the same thing. You think

people have it bad here, why don't you check out what other progressive

countries are doing. Try Indonesia. I don't think you'll see mentally ill

people at all there. You might in India. Go see if you think mentally ill

Indians are riding the gravy train. (Try not to puke at the sight of how

thin and ill they look.)

[Guest guest]

Wait! Tommy gets even funnier! He accuses me of being anti-freedom, then he

wants to lock someone up for pushing people into store shelves! And even

though he doesn't want us to medicate people against their will, it sounds

like he has a take-no-mercy view towards mentally ill people and he wants

us to kill them at the first opportunity. You're funnnnnny, Tommy.

The man should

>have been in prison, not at the subway. Szasz also mentions this case

>in the Reason interview and says that even first violent assaults

>should bring five year sentences.

>

>THE MAN IS NOT SICK, HE IS SICKENING. HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL ON

>THE FIRST VIOLENT ASSAULT FOR YEARS. THE SECOND FOR LIFE. HE SHOULD

>NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE SUBWAY THAT DAY. WE THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT BE

>FORCED TO PAY FOR THE PROPAGATION OF MYTHS WHICH MANY OF US

>DISBELIEVE, NAMELY MENTAL ILLNESS. FURTHERMORE, MENTAL HOSPITALS ARE

>NOT ONLY A WASTE OF MONEY BUT THEY ARE TORTURE CHAMBERS. THE MURDERER

>SHOULD BE SIX FEET UNDER. WHY SHOULD THE CITIZENS ON NEW YOUK NOW BE

>FORCED TO MAINTAIN HIM????????????????????????????????????????

Tommy, why don't you set about changing mental hospitals? Instead of trying

to deny that mental illness exists, thereby painting yourself as a kook,

recognize that it exists, and do something to alter the conditions in

mental hospitals. You know what? Prisons are hell holes too. That's why I'm

trying to keep my BF out of one. His crime is DWI--a serious one, no doubt,

but a slender guy like him would be fuckmeat in prison. Texas prisons are

horrible. You're forced to join a gang depending on your skin color (the

only guy I know who escaped from that was Goldstein. Since he's

white, the Mexican Mafia and the blacks didn't want him. But since he's

Jewish, the Aryan Brotherhood didn't want him. So he wasn't forced to join

a gang and was left alone by most of the other guys. It helps that is

a big guy and can hold his own in a fight.) you're forced to fight people

of other races. Little guys like my BF, those who don't know how to fight,

are forced to become some big guy's fuckbuddy to gain protection from being

beaten and raped.

You don't like mental hospitals, then DO SOMETHING about them. Don't just

sit there and bitch and moan and pretend that everyone in them is normal

and doesn't have a problem. Document the problems in mental hospitals, then

take the evidence to the state licensing boards and to your state and

national congresscritters. DO SOMETHING. Otherwise, you're just a

irritating whiner who comes across as a taco short of a combination plate.

Warehouses for old folks (aka nursing homes) are horrendous places too. So

are places where severely retarded people are warehoused. Retarded people

are raped, beaten--they're horrible, horrible places. But your contention

that there is no such thing as mental illness is as logical and as valid as

saying there is no such thing as mental retardation. If there's no such

thing as mental retardation, then are those 50 year olds wearing diapers,

those people who have never learned to speak, those who basically just lie

there day after day after day, unable to walk (they've never learned

how)--are we to assume they're normal? Should we throw them out on the

streets? What about those who can walk and make some utterances, but cannot

make sentences, cannot perform basic tasks, at 30 years old still have to

have their ass wiped because they don't know how to do it themselves--are

they normal Tommy?

If mental hospitals are torture chambers, which I agree they probably are,

then CHANGE THEM. Do something to change them. Write letters. Don't insist

that there is no such thing as mental illness, because most people know

better. You paint yourself as a lunatic if you insist that there is no such

thing as mental illness, just as you paint yourself as a lunatic if you

insist there is no such thing as mental retardation. But write letters,

document abuse, do something to change them.

Oh, and BTW Tommy, you might check out what Greece does to their mentally

disabled (retarded and ill)--they used to just abandon them in the woods to

starve or be killed by animals. As recently as the 1950's. Now they put

them in cages. For life. Or you might check out what Russia and other

former Soviet Union countries do. Pretty much the same thing. You think

people have it bad here, why don't you check out what other progressive

countries are doing. Try Indonesia. I don't think you'll see mentally ill

people at all there. You might in India. Go see if you think mentally ill

Indians are riding the gravy train. (Try not to puke at the sight of how

thin and ill they look.)

[Guest guest]

Goodbye Dixie.

> Re: Re: mental illness

>

>

>Wait! Tommy gets even funnier!

>

[Guest guest]

Goodbye Dixie.

> Re: Re: mental illness

>

>

>Wait! Tommy gets even funnier!

>

[Guest guest]

In California, these mailbox beaters are called Cat J's and get to spend

a large amount of their free time (all their time is free time) in jails and

prisons (where they receive the title Cat J) on the warden's drug of choice.

2-5 for beating a mailbox. The general population in the prison doesn't

consider them a part of society either, just a nuisance.

Not any different than before Reagan. They are just locked up in a

different building and actually get to go out in the real world once in a

blue moon. I don't think society suffers too terribly because these people

are given their freedom every so often.

Re: mental illness

>

> >

> > >Here is a link I posted in the 12sf links (now Bookmarks) a while

> > >back. Eventually I'll post more links for you. Your fantasies

> seem

> > >to be well entrenched, so I won't spend much time with my own

> words.

> > >

> > >http://www.cjnetworks.com/%7Ecgrandy/frame_docs/drugs_idx.html

>

> >

> > This link didn't work for me. It wasn't a valid link.

>

> It still works for me. Click on Bookmarks to the left of your screen

> if you are reading messages from the egroups/yahoo site. Then click

> on Mental Patients' Rights

>

>

> > Under Reagan, thousands of people were turned out of mental

> hospitals

> > because Reagan decided we couldn't keep people against their will,

> and we

> > couldn't medicate people against their will. Many of these people

> can be

> > found today on streetcorners, arguing with mailboxes, and in jails.

> I have

> > come into contact with a number of them. They are not forced to take

> their

> > meds, and society suffers as a result.

>

> Arguing with mailboxs???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well gee, Dixie, that's

> a whole different story when we get into such violent crimes as

> arguing with mailboxes. Next time you see someone argue with a

> mailbox, contact me right away and I'll round up a posse and bring the

> poison.

>

> Society suffers as a result of those who advocate poisoning people who

> argue with mailboxes gaining in their advocations. Afterall, Dixie,

> are not those who argue with mailboxes part of society? Are they not

> people? And if they are not people, then what are they?

>

> Tommy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In California, these mailbox beaters are called Cat J's and get to spend

a large amount of their free time (all their time is free time) in jails and

prisons (where they receive the title Cat J) on the warden's drug of choice.

2-5 for beating a mailbox. The general population in the prison doesn't

consider them a part of society either, just a nuisance.

Not any different than before Reagan. They are just locked up in a

different building and actually get to go out in the real world once in a

blue moon. I don't think society suffers too terribly because these people

are given their freedom every so often.

Re: mental illness

>

> >

> > >Here is a link I posted in the 12sf links (now Bookmarks) a while

> > >back. Eventually I'll post more links for you. Your fantasies

> seem

> > >to be well entrenched, so I won't spend much time with my own

> words.

> > >

> > >http://www.cjnetworks.com/%7Ecgrandy/frame_docs/drugs_idx.html

>

> >

> > This link didn't work for me. It wasn't a valid link.

>

> It still works for me. Click on Bookmarks to the left of your screen

> if you are reading messages from the egroups/yahoo site. Then click

> on Mental Patients' Rights

>

>

> > Under Reagan, thousands of people were turned out of mental

> hospitals

> > because Reagan decided we couldn't keep people against their will,

> and we

> > couldn't medicate people against their will. Many of these people

> can be

> > found today on streetcorners, arguing with mailboxes, and in jails.

> I have

> > come into contact with a number of them. They are not forced to take

> their

> > meds, and society suffers as a result.

>

> Arguing with mailboxs???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well gee, Dixie, that's

> a whole different story when we get into such violent crimes as

> arguing with mailboxes. Next time you see someone argue with a

> mailbox, contact me right away and I'll round up a posse and bring the

> poison.

>

> Society suffers as a result of those who advocate poisoning people who

> argue with mailboxes gaining in their advocations. Afterall, Dixie,

> are not those who argue with mailboxes part of society? Are they not

> people? And if they are not people, then what are they?

>

> Tommy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: mental illness

>

> > And , here is some more " everyone " for you:

> > http://www.antipsychiatry.org/

>

> ROFL... As for the government conspiracy accusation, you don't have

> to be paranoid to be alarmed about what Dixie's friends are up to:

>

>

> This incredible program, more aptly known as the " Racist Violence

> Initiative, " was put forth by Frederick Goodwin, director of the

> National Institute of Mental Health (NINH). This initiative includes

> ongoing research " into the supposed biological basis of inner-city

> violence and includes proposals for biomedical social control. Our

> U.S. government asks " Are Black People Genetically Violent? " and

> plans a psychiatric screening program which would lead to mass

> drugging of innocent inner-city children, the vast majority of whom

> are young people of color. The National Science Foundation, the

> Centers for Disease Control, and the Justice Department are all

> involved. Elaborate pseudoscientific language, and much of the

> federal government's effort, goes into obfuscating and/or directly

> denying this initiative's clearly racist intent.

> Meanwhile, " research " has begun in Chicago.

> http://www.wildestcolts.com/mentalhealth/enforcer.html

>

> Jim

This means we really are Nazis?

[Guest guest]

Re: mental illness

>

> > And , here is some more " everyone " for you:

> > http://www.antipsychiatry.org/

>

> ROFL... As for the government conspiracy accusation, you don't have

> to be paranoid to be alarmed about what Dixie's friends are up to:

>

>

> This incredible program, more aptly known as the " Racist Violence

> Initiative, " was put forth by Frederick Goodwin, director of the

> National Institute of Mental Health (NINH). This initiative includes

> ongoing research " into the supposed biological basis of inner-city

> violence and includes proposals for biomedical social control. Our

> U.S. government asks " Are Black People Genetically Violent? " and

> plans a psychiatric screening program which would lead to mass

> drugging of innocent inner-city children, the vast majority of whom

> are young people of color. The National Science Foundation, the

> Centers for Disease Control, and the Justice Department are all

> involved. Elaborate pseudoscientific language, and much of the

> federal government's effort, goes into obfuscating and/or directly

> denying this initiative's clearly racist intent.

> Meanwhile, " research " has begun in Chicago.

> http://www.wildestcolts.com/mentalhealth/enforcer.html

>

> Jim

This means we really are Nazis?

[Guest guest]

Re: mental illness

> Involuntary Outpatient Commitment

> " ...the campaign to make us appear dangerous, unpredictable and

> violent is in full swing. It is a battle being fought not just in the

> United States, but all over the world.

>

> We are seeing a world-wide demonization of people based on

> psychiatric disability that harkens back to the days of the eugenic

> movement. Its tools are IOC, mental health courts, and involuntary

> commitment statutes that go far beyond the " dangerous to self and

> others " standard that held sway in the past. Coupled with a decrease

> in funding for services that really work, increases in forced

> treatment may, if unchecked, return us to back wards and life long

> misery. "

> http://home.kscable.com/madpride/news/IOC/index.htm

>

> Jim

No shit.

[Guest guest]

Re: mental illness

> Involuntary Outpatient Commitment

> " ...the campaign to make us appear dangerous, unpredictable and

> violent is in full swing. It is a battle being fought not just in the

> United States, but all over the world.

>

> We are seeing a world-wide demonization of people based on

> psychiatric disability that harkens back to the days of the eugenic

> movement. Its tools are IOC, mental health courts, and involuntary

> commitment statutes that go far beyond the " dangerous to self and

> others " standard that held sway in the past. Coupled with a decrease

> in funding for services that really work, increases in forced

> treatment may, if unchecked, return us to back wards and life long

> misery. "

> http://home.kscable.com/madpride/news/IOC/index.htm

>

> Jim

No shit.

[Guest guest]

Absolutely Rita.

Re: mental illness

>

> > In a message dated 2/6/01 12:45:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, dixie@f...

> > writes:

>

> >

> > ... if Tommy is against any forced meds of any type, even if some of

> > those people will commit murders---if he believes the freedom to refuse

> > medications trumps all other considerations, even those of the lives

and

> > safety of other people ...

> >

> > Dixie~

> >

> > I have enjoyed much of your commentary on history and understanding of

events

> > from this viewpoint. I do not think that you have correct information

about

> > schizophrenics or about findings from psychology, social work , or

> > psychiatry. Schizophrenics are for the most part not dangerous.

Because you

> > have had a traumatic experience with those not taking meds, I feel you

are

> > distorting information about those with mental disorders and what Tommy

has

> > been saying. Piper.

>

> ----------------

>

> Yes. And interesting that Dixie completely avoids addressing Tommy's

question about who gets to decide what constitutes " a danger to society " or

" a risk of violence " ?? The big problem with forced medication and forced

" treatment " of any kind is the potential for abuse by those who are given

the power to do such labeling and assessments for " compliance " . I know,

because I've been through it (in regard to " addiction treatment " ). I was

labeled " a danger to the public " and not allowed to work for 7 1/2 months,

despite the fact that I had an excellent, award-winning 17-yar work history.

The persons doing the labeling and forcing employees into " addiction

treatment " simply sat back smugly and said, " This is our Professional

Opinion " . And I was told I was " unfit for duty " for as long as I remained

" non-compliant with treatment " by rejecting 12-step ideology and " disease "

labels.

>

> If people like that are given the power to label someone " mentally

ill " and force them to take dangerous anti-psychotic medications, all

citizens are at risk of abuse. God forbid a person should be eccentric, or

dress Goth style, whatever -- persons with this power can give you The

Label!!

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> ~Rita

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[Guest guest]

Absolutely Rita.

Re: mental illness

>

> > In a message dated 2/6/01 12:45:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, dixie@f...

> > writes:

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> >

> > ... if Tommy is against any forced meds of any type, even if some of

> > those people will commit murders---if he believes the freedom to refuse

> > medications trumps all other considerations, even those of the lives

and

> > safety of other people ...

> >

> > Dixie~

> >

> > I have enjoyed much of your commentary on history and understanding of

events

> > from this viewpoint. I do not think that you have correct information

about

> > schizophrenics or about findings from psychology, social work , or

> > psychiatry. Schizophrenics are for the most part not dangerous.

Because you

> > have had a traumatic experience with those not taking meds, I feel you

are

> > distorting information about those with mental disorders and what Tommy

has

> > been saying. Piper.

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> Yes. And interesting that Dixie completely avoids addressing Tommy's

question about who gets to decide what constitutes " a danger to society " or

" a risk of violence " ?? The big problem with forced medication and forced

" treatment " of any kind is the potential for abuse by those who are given

the power to do such labeling and assessments for " compliance " . I know,

because I've been through it (in regard to " addiction treatment " ). I was

labeled " a danger to the public " and not allowed to work for 7 1/2 months,

despite the fact that I had an excellent, award-winning 17-yar work history.

The persons doing the labeling and forcing employees into " addiction

treatment " simply sat back smugly and said, " This is our Professional

Opinion " . And I was told I was " unfit for duty " for as long as I remained

" non-compliant with treatment " by rejecting 12-step ideology and " disease "

labels.

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> If people like that are given the power to label someone " mentally

ill " and force them to take dangerous anti-psychotic medications, all

citizens are at risk of abuse. God forbid a person should be eccentric, or

dress Goth style, whatever -- persons with this power can give you The

Label!!

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> ~Rita

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[Guest guest]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I think Tommy is expendable in

the pursuit of women.

> > > mental illness

> >

> > >Tommy may think that women are expendable in the quest to allow insane

> > >people to live drug-free, but I disagree.