Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 > Tommy, > From reading your posts, I am beginning to think that you are indeed > mentally ill, and are in denial of that fact, and thus not taking > medications you should probably be taking. Dixie, I think you are so insecure that you have a dire need to validate yourself by invalidating others. The best thing your boyfriend can do is dump you. You will always have a need to bring him down, just as you have a need to gaze at the world through ideological glasses of Other as villan and YOU as judge. I won't be reading your posts anymore. One of the major themes of this list is freedom, hence the name 12-step-free. You are a disgrace to the concept of freedom and it is a shame that people like you live in this country. I did hear through the rumor mill that you are a quick learner though. I heard that as a young woman you flew your broom solo after only two hours of duel instruction. Disrespectfully, Tommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 > Tommy, > From reading your posts, I am beginning to think that you are indeed > mentally ill, and are in denial of that fact, and thus not taking > medications you should probably be taking. Dixie, I think you are so insecure that you have a dire need to validate yourself by invalidating others. The best thing your boyfriend can do is dump you. You will always have a need to bring him down, just as you have a need to gaze at the world through ideological glasses of Other as villan and YOU as judge. I won't be reading your posts anymore. One of the major themes of this list is freedom, hence the name 12-step-free. You are a disgrace to the concept of freedom and it is a shame that people like you live in this country. I did hear through the rumor mill that you are a quick learner though. I heard that as a young woman you flew your broom solo after only two hours of duel instruction. Disrespectfully, Tommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 I'm so glad you brought this up, Rita. I saw an hour program on this last year and the thing that stands in my mind is that the family of the victim went on a huge campaign to boost the Therapeutic State, the institution which made this whole thing possible. This man had been extremely violent many times before, assaulting women in the psych hospital. Seems like I recall about fifteen times. The man should have been in prison, not at the subway. Szasz also mentions this case in the Reason interview and says that even first violent assaults should bring five year sentences. THE MAN IS NOT SICK, HE IS SICKENING. HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL ON THE FIRST VIOLENT ASSAULT FOR YEARS. THE SECOND FOR LIFE. HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE SUBWAY THAT DAY. WE THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO PAY FOR THE PROPAGATION OF MYTHS WHICH MANY OF US DISBELIEVE, NAMELY MENTAL ILLNESS. FURTHERMORE, MENTAL HOSPITALS ARE NOT ONLY A WASTE OF MONEY BUT THEY ARE TORTURE CHAMBERS. THE MURDERER SHOULD BE SIX FEET UNDER. WHY SHOULD THE CITIZENS ON NEW YOUK NOW BE FORCED TO MAINTAIN HIM???????????????????????????????????????? The " mentally ill " man who pushed Kendra Webdale to her death in front of a New York City subway train had told psychiatrists that he occasionally got urges to push, shove, and kick total strangers, and he had been thrown out of several stores for pushing patrons into the shelves (though no one had been seriously injured). The psychiatrists had all recommended medication and ongoing therapy for the man, but he chose not to comply. It would have been wrong from a civil liberties standpoint to lock up this man for any length of time -- pushing someone in a bookstore doesn't merit much jail time -- and also wrong to force neuroleptics down his throat -- but left to his own devices, he got one of his psychotic urges to shove a stranger and it just happened to be at the edge of a subway platform. > > In the furor after Webdale's death, the New York legislature passed " Kendra's Law " , which mandates incarceration for anyone diagnosed as " paranoid schizophrenic " who refuses to take medication. This law gives me the willies -- Take This Drug Or You'll Never See The Light Of Day!! -- but as I say, I can empathize with the Webdale family. There are no easy answers, but something should have been able to prevent that tragedy. > > ~Rita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 I'm so glad you brought this up, Rita. I saw an hour program on this last year and the thing that stands in my mind is that the family of the victim went on a huge campaign to boost the Therapeutic State, the institution which made this whole thing possible. This man had been extremely violent many times before, assaulting women in the psych hospital. Seems like I recall about fifteen times. The man should have been in prison, not at the subway. Szasz also mentions this case in the Reason interview and says that even first violent assaults should bring five year sentences. THE MAN IS NOT SICK, HE IS SICKENING. HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL ON THE FIRST VIOLENT ASSAULT FOR YEARS. THE SECOND FOR LIFE. HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE SUBWAY THAT DAY. WE THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO PAY FOR THE PROPAGATION OF MYTHS WHICH MANY OF US DISBELIEVE, NAMELY MENTAL ILLNESS. FURTHERMORE, MENTAL HOSPITALS ARE NOT ONLY A WASTE OF MONEY BUT THEY ARE TORTURE CHAMBERS. THE MURDERER SHOULD BE SIX FEET UNDER. WHY SHOULD THE CITIZENS ON NEW YOUK NOW BE FORCED TO MAINTAIN HIM???????????????????????????????????????? The " mentally ill " man who pushed Kendra Webdale to her death in front of a New York City subway train had told psychiatrists that he occasionally got urges to push, shove, and kick total strangers, and he had been thrown out of several stores for pushing patrons into the shelves (though no one had been seriously injured). The psychiatrists had all recommended medication and ongoing therapy for the man, but he chose not to comply. It would have been wrong from a civil liberties standpoint to lock up this man for any length of time -- pushing someone in a bookstore doesn't merit much jail time -- and also wrong to force neuroleptics down his throat -- but left to his own devices, he got one of his psychotic urges to shove a stranger and it just happened to be at the edge of a subway platform. > > In the furor after Webdale's death, the New York legislature passed " Kendra's Law " , which mandates incarceration for anyone diagnosed as " paranoid schizophrenic " who refuses to take medication. This law gives me the willies -- Take This Drug Or You'll Never See The Light Of Day!! -- but as I say, I can empathize with the Webdale family. There are no easy answers, but something should have been able to prevent that tragedy. > > ~Rita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 I'm so glad you brought this up, Rita. I saw an hour program on this last year and the thing that stands in my mind is that the family of the victim went on a huge campaign to boost the Therapeutic State, the institution which made this whole thing possible. This man had been extremely violent many times before, assaulting women in the psych hospital. Seems like I recall about fifteen times. The man should have been in prison, not at the subway. Szasz also mentions this case in the Reason interview and says that even first violent assaults should bring five year sentences. THE MAN IS NOT SICK, HE IS SICKENING. HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL ON THE FIRST VIOLENT ASSAULT FOR YEARS. THE SECOND FOR LIFE. HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE SUBWAY THAT DAY. WE THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO PAY FOR THE PROPAGATION OF MYTHS WHICH MANY OF US DISBELIEVE, NAMELY MENTAL ILLNESS. FURTHERMORE, MENTAL HOSPITALS ARE NOT ONLY A WASTE OF MONEY BUT THEY ARE TORTURE CHAMBERS. THE MURDERER SHOULD BE SIX FEET UNDER. WHY SHOULD THE CITIZENS ON NEW YOUK NOW BE FORCED TO MAINTAIN HIM???????????????????????????????????????? The " mentally ill " man who pushed Kendra Webdale to her death in front of a New York City subway train had told psychiatrists that he occasionally got urges to push, shove, and kick total strangers, and he had been thrown out of several stores for pushing patrons into the shelves (though no one had been seriously injured). The psychiatrists had all recommended medication and ongoing therapy for the man, but he chose not to comply. It would have been wrong from a civil liberties standpoint to lock up this man for any length of time -- pushing someone in a bookstore doesn't merit much jail time -- and also wrong to force neuroleptics down his throat -- but left to his own devices, he got one of his psychotic urges to shove a stranger and it just happened to be at the edge of a subway platform. > > In the furor after Webdale's death, the New York legislature passed " Kendra's Law " , which mandates incarceration for anyone diagnosed as " paranoid schizophrenic " who refuses to take medication. This law gives me the willies -- Take This Drug Or You'll Never See The Light Of Day!! -- but as I say, I can empathize with the Webdale family. There are no easy answers, but something should have been able to prevent that tragedy. > > ~Rita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 Wait! Tommy gets even funnier! He accuses me of being anti-freedom, then he wants to lock someone up for pushing people into store shelves! And even though he doesn't want us to medicate people against their will, it sounds like he has a take-no-mercy view towards mentally ill people and he wants us to kill them at the first opportunity. You're funnnnnny, Tommy. The man should >have been in prison, not at the subway. Szasz also mentions this case >in the Reason interview and says that even first violent assaults >should bring five year sentences. > >THE MAN IS NOT SICK, HE IS SICKENING. HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL ON >THE FIRST VIOLENT ASSAULT FOR YEARS. THE SECOND FOR LIFE. HE SHOULD >NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE SUBWAY THAT DAY. WE THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT BE >FORCED TO PAY FOR THE PROPAGATION OF MYTHS WHICH MANY OF US >DISBELIEVE, NAMELY MENTAL ILLNESS. FURTHERMORE, MENTAL HOSPITALS ARE >NOT ONLY A WASTE OF MONEY BUT THEY ARE TORTURE CHAMBERS. THE MURDERER >SHOULD BE SIX FEET UNDER. WHY SHOULD THE CITIZENS ON NEW YOUK NOW BE >FORCED TO MAINTAIN HIM???????????????????????????????????????? Tommy, why don't you set about changing mental hospitals? Instead of trying to deny that mental illness exists, thereby painting yourself as a kook, recognize that it exists, and do something to alter the conditions in mental hospitals. You know what? Prisons are hell holes too. That's why I'm trying to keep my BF out of one. His crime is DWI--a serious one, no doubt, but a slender guy like him would be fuckmeat in prison. Texas prisons are horrible. You're forced to join a gang depending on your skin color (the only guy I know who escaped from that was Goldstein. Since he's white, the Mexican Mafia and the blacks didn't want him. But since he's Jewish, the Aryan Brotherhood didn't want him. So he wasn't forced to join a gang and was left alone by most of the other guys. It helps that is a big guy and can hold his own in a fight.) you're forced to fight people of other races. Little guys like my BF, those who don't know how to fight, are forced to become some big guy's fuckbuddy to gain protection from being beaten and raped. You don't like mental hospitals, then DO SOMETHING about them. Don't just sit there and bitch and moan and pretend that everyone in them is normal and doesn't have a problem. Document the problems in mental hospitals, then take the evidence to the state licensing boards and to your state and national congresscritters. DO SOMETHING. Otherwise, you're just a irritating whiner who comes across as a taco short of a combination plate. Warehouses for old folks (aka nursing homes) are horrendous places too. So are places where severely retarded people are warehoused. Retarded people are raped, beaten--they're horrible, horrible places. But your contention that there is no such thing as mental illness is as logical and as valid as saying there is no such thing as mental retardation. If there's no such thing as mental retardation, then are those 50 year olds wearing diapers, those people who have never learned to speak, those who basically just lie there day after day after day, unable to walk (they've never learned how)--are we to assume they're normal? Should we throw them out on the streets? What about those who can walk and make some utterances, but cannot make sentences, cannot perform basic tasks, at 30 years old still have to have their ass wiped because they don't know how to do it themselves--are they normal Tommy? If mental hospitals are torture chambers, which I agree they probably are, then CHANGE THEM. Do something to change them. Write letters. Don't insist that there is no such thing as mental illness, because most people know better. You paint yourself as a lunatic if you insist that there is no such thing as mental illness, just as you paint yourself as a lunatic if you insist there is no such thing as mental retardation. But write letters, document abuse, do something to change them. Oh, and BTW Tommy, you might check out what Greece does to their mentally disabled (retarded and ill)--they used to just abandon them in the woods to starve or be killed by animals. As recently as the 1950's. Now they put them in cages. For life. Or you might check out what Russia and other former Soviet Union countries do. Pretty much the same thing. You think people have it bad here, why don't you check out what other progressive countries are doing. Try Indonesia. I don't think you'll see mentally ill people at all there. You might in India. Go see if you think mentally ill Indians are riding the gravy train. (Try not to puke at the sight of how thin and ill they look.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 Wait! Tommy gets even funnier! He accuses me of being anti-freedom, then he wants to lock someone up for pushing people into store shelves! And even though he doesn't want us to medicate people against their will, it sounds like he has a take-no-mercy view towards mentally ill people and he wants us to kill them at the first opportunity. You're funnnnnny, Tommy. The man should >have been in prison, not at the subway. Szasz also mentions this case >in the Reason interview and says that even first violent assaults >should bring five year sentences. > >THE MAN IS NOT SICK, HE IS SICKENING. HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL ON >THE FIRST VIOLENT ASSAULT FOR YEARS. THE SECOND FOR LIFE. HE SHOULD >NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE SUBWAY THAT DAY. WE THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT BE >FORCED TO PAY FOR THE PROPAGATION OF MYTHS WHICH MANY OF US >DISBELIEVE, NAMELY MENTAL ILLNESS. FURTHERMORE, MENTAL HOSPITALS ARE >NOT ONLY A WASTE OF MONEY BUT THEY ARE TORTURE CHAMBERS. THE MURDERER >SHOULD BE SIX FEET UNDER. WHY SHOULD THE CITIZENS ON NEW YOUK NOW BE >FORCED TO MAINTAIN HIM???????????????????????????????????????? Tommy, why don't you set about changing mental hospitals? Instead of trying to deny that mental illness exists, thereby painting yourself as a kook, recognize that it exists, and do something to alter the conditions in mental hospitals. You know what? Prisons are hell holes too. That's why I'm trying to keep my BF out of one. His crime is DWI--a serious one, no doubt, but a slender guy like him would be fuckmeat in prison. Texas prisons are horrible. You're forced to join a gang depending on your skin color (the only guy I know who escaped from that was Goldstein. Since he's white, the Mexican Mafia and the blacks didn't want him. But since he's Jewish, the Aryan Brotherhood didn't want him. So he wasn't forced to join a gang and was left alone by most of the other guys. It helps that is a big guy and can hold his own in a fight.) you're forced to fight people of other races. Little guys like my BF, those who don't know how to fight, are forced to become some big guy's fuckbuddy to gain protection from being beaten and raped. You don't like mental hospitals, then DO SOMETHING about them. Don't just sit there and bitch and moan and pretend that everyone in them is normal and doesn't have a problem. Document the problems in mental hospitals, then take the evidence to the state licensing boards and to your state and national congresscritters. DO SOMETHING. Otherwise, you're just a irritating whiner who comes across as a taco short of a combination plate. Warehouses for old folks (aka nursing homes) are horrendous places too. So are places where severely retarded people are warehoused. Retarded people are raped, beaten--they're horrible, horrible places. But your contention that there is no such thing as mental illness is as logical and as valid as saying there is no such thing as mental retardation. If there's no such thing as mental retardation, then are those 50 year olds wearing diapers, those people who have never learned to speak, those who basically just lie there day after day after day, unable to walk (they've never learned how)--are we to assume they're normal? Should we throw them out on the streets? What about those who can walk and make some utterances, but cannot make sentences, cannot perform basic tasks, at 30 years old still have to have their ass wiped because they don't know how to do it themselves--are they normal Tommy? If mental hospitals are torture chambers, which I agree they probably are, then CHANGE THEM. Do something to change them. Write letters. Don't insist that there is no such thing as mental illness, because most people know better. You paint yourself as a lunatic if you insist that there is no such thing as mental illness, just as you paint yourself as a lunatic if you insist there is no such thing as mental retardation. But write letters, document abuse, do something to change them. Oh, and BTW Tommy, you might check out what Greece does to their mentally disabled (retarded and ill)--they used to just abandon them in the woods to starve or be killed by animals. As recently as the 1950's. Now they put them in cages. For life. Or you might check out what Russia and other former Soviet Union countries do. Pretty much the same thing. You think people have it bad here, why don't you check out what other progressive countries are doing. Try Indonesia. I don't think you'll see mentally ill people at all there. You might in India. Go see if you think mentally ill Indians are riding the gravy train. (Try not to puke at the sight of how thin and ill they look.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 Goodbye Dixie. > Re: Re: mental illness > > >Wait! Tommy gets even funnier! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 In California, these mailbox beaters are called Cat J's and get to spend a large amount of their free time (all their time is free time) in jails and prisons (where they receive the title Cat J) on the warden's drug of choice. 2-5 for beating a mailbox. The general population in the prison doesn't consider them a part of society either, just a nuisance. Not any different than before Reagan. They are just locked up in a different building and actually get to go out in the real world once in a blue moon. I don't think society suffers too terribly because these people are given their freedom every so often. Re: mental illness > > > > > >Here is a link I posted in the 12sf links (now Bookmarks) a while > > >back. Eventually I'll post more links for you. Your fantasies > seem > > >to be well entrenched, so I won't spend much time with my own > words. > > > > > >http://www.cjnetworks.com/%7Ecgrandy/frame_docs/drugs_idx.html > > > > > This link didn't work for me. It wasn't a valid link. > > It still works for me. Click on Bookmarks to the left of your screen > if you are reading messages from the egroups/yahoo site. Then click > on Mental Patients' Rights > > > > Under Reagan, thousands of people were turned out of mental > hospitals > > because Reagan decided we couldn't keep people against their will, > and we > > couldn't medicate people against their will. Many of these people > can be > > found today on streetcorners, arguing with mailboxes, and in jails. > I have > > come into contact with a number of them. They are not forced to take > their > > meds, and society suffers as a result. > > Arguing with mailboxs???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well gee, Dixie, that's > a whole different story when we get into such violent crimes as > arguing with mailboxes. Next time you see someone argue with a > mailbox, contact me right away and I'll round up a posse and bring the > poison. > > Society suffers as a result of those who advocate poisoning people who > argue with mailboxes gaining in their advocations. Afterall, Dixie, > are not those who argue with mailboxes part of society? Are they not > people? And if they are not people, then what are they? > > Tommy > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 In California, these mailbox beaters are called Cat J's and get to spend a large amount of their free time (all their time is free time) in jails and prisons (where they receive the title Cat J) on the warden's drug of choice. 2-5 for beating a mailbox. The general population in the prison doesn't consider them a part of society either, just a nuisance. Not any different than before Reagan. They are just locked up in a different building and actually get to go out in the real world once in a blue moon. I don't think society suffers too terribly because these people are given their freedom every so often. Re: mental illness > > > > > >Here is a link I posted in the 12sf links (now Bookmarks) a while > > >back. Eventually I'll post more links for you. Your fantasies > seem > > >to be well entrenched, so I won't spend much time with my own > words. > > > > > >http://www.cjnetworks.com/%7Ecgrandy/frame_docs/drugs_idx.html > > > > > This link didn't work for me. It wasn't a valid link. > > It still works for me. Click on Bookmarks to the left of your screen > if you are reading messages from the egroups/yahoo site. Then click > on Mental Patients' Rights > > > > Under Reagan, thousands of people were turned out of mental > hospitals > > because Reagan decided we couldn't keep people against their will, > and we > > couldn't medicate people against their will. Many of these people > can be > > found today on streetcorners, arguing with mailboxes, and in jails. > I have > > come into contact with a number of them. They are not forced to take > their > > meds, and society suffers as a result. > > Arguing with mailboxs???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well gee, Dixie, that's > a whole different story when we get into such violent crimes as > arguing with mailboxes. Next time you see someone argue with a > mailbox, contact me right away and I'll round up a posse and bring the > poison. > > Society suffers as a result of those who advocate poisoning people who > argue with mailboxes gaining in their advocations. Afterall, Dixie, > are not those who argue with mailboxes part of society? Are they not > people? And if they are not people, then what are they? > > Tommy > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Re: mental illness > > > And , here is some more " everyone " for you: > > http://www.antipsychiatry.org/ > > ROFL... As for the government conspiracy accusation, you don't have > to be paranoid to be alarmed about what Dixie's friends are up to: > > > This incredible program, more aptly known as the " Racist Violence > Initiative, " was put forth by Frederick Goodwin, director of the > National Institute of Mental Health (NINH). This initiative includes > ongoing research " into the supposed biological basis of inner-city > violence and includes proposals for biomedical social control. Our > U.S. government asks " Are Black People Genetically Violent? " and > plans a psychiatric screening program which would lead to mass > drugging of innocent inner-city children, the vast majority of whom > are young people of color. The National Science Foundation, the > Centers for Disease Control, and the Justice Department are all > involved. Elaborate pseudoscientific language, and much of the > federal government's effort, goes into obfuscating and/or directly > denying this initiative's clearly racist intent. > Meanwhile, " research " has begun in Chicago. > http://www.wildestcolts.com/mentalhealth/enforcer.html > > Jim This means we really are Nazis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Re: mental illness > > > And , here is some more " everyone " for you: > > http://www.antipsychiatry.org/ > > ROFL... As for the government conspiracy accusation, you don't have > to be paranoid to be alarmed about what Dixie's friends are up to: > > > This incredible program, more aptly known as the " Racist Violence > Initiative, " was put forth by Frederick Goodwin, director of the > National Institute of Mental Health (NINH). This initiative includes > ongoing research " into the supposed biological basis of inner-city > violence and includes proposals for biomedical social control. Our > U.S. government asks " Are Black People Genetically Violent? " and > plans a psychiatric screening program which would lead to mass > drugging of innocent inner-city children, the vast majority of whom > are young people of color. The National Science Foundation, the > Centers for Disease Control, and the Justice Department are all > involved. Elaborate pseudoscientific language, and much of the > federal government's effort, goes into obfuscating and/or directly > denying this initiative's clearly racist intent. > Meanwhile, " research " has begun in Chicago. > http://www.wildestcolts.com/mentalhealth/enforcer.html > > Jim This means we really are Nazis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Re: mental illness > Involuntary Outpatient Commitment > " ...the campaign to make us appear dangerous, unpredictable and > violent is in full swing. It is a battle being fought not just in the > United States, but all over the world. > > We are seeing a world-wide demonization of people based on > psychiatric disability that harkens back to the days of the eugenic > movement. Its tools are IOC, mental health courts, and involuntary > commitment statutes that go far beyond the " dangerous to self and > others " standard that held sway in the past. Coupled with a decrease > in funding for services that really work, increases in forced > treatment may, if unchecked, return us to back wards and life long > misery. " > http://home.kscable.com/madpride/news/IOC/index.htm > > Jim No shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Re: mental illness > Involuntary Outpatient Commitment > " ...the campaign to make us appear dangerous, unpredictable and > violent is in full swing. It is a battle being fought not just in the > United States, but all over the world. > > We are seeing a world-wide demonization of people based on > psychiatric disability that harkens back to the days of the eugenic > movement. Its tools are IOC, mental health courts, and involuntary > commitment statutes that go far beyond the " dangerous to self and > others " standard that held sway in the past. Coupled with a decrease > in funding for services that really work, increases in forced > treatment may, if unchecked, return us to back wards and life long > misery. " > http://home.kscable.com/madpride/news/IOC/index.htm > > Jim No shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Absolutely Rita. Re: mental illness > > > In a message dated 2/6/01 12:45:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, dixie@f... > > writes: > > > > > ... if Tommy is against any forced meds of any type, even if some of > > those people will commit murders---if he believes the freedom to refuse > > medications trumps all other considerations, even those of the lives and > > safety of other people ... > > > > Dixie~ > > > > I have enjoyed much of your commentary on history and understanding of events > > from this viewpoint. I do not think that you have correct information about > > schizophrenics or about findings from psychology, social work , or > > psychiatry. Schizophrenics are for the most part not dangerous. Because you > > have had a traumatic experience with those not taking meds, I feel you are > > distorting information about those with mental disorders and what Tommy has > > been saying. Piper. > > ---------------- > > Yes. And interesting that Dixie completely avoids addressing Tommy's question about who gets to decide what constitutes " a danger to society " or " a risk of violence " ?? The big problem with forced medication and forced " treatment " of any kind is the potential for abuse by those who are given the power to do such labeling and assessments for " compliance " . I know, because I've been through it (in regard to " addiction treatment " ). I was labeled " a danger to the public " and not allowed to work for 7 1/2 months, despite the fact that I had an excellent, award-winning 17-yar work history. The persons doing the labeling and forcing employees into " addiction treatment " simply sat back smugly and said, " This is our Professional Opinion " . And I was told I was " unfit for duty " for as long as I remained " non-compliant with treatment " by rejecting 12-step ideology and " disease " labels. > > If people like that are given the power to label someone " mentally ill " and force them to take dangerous anti-psychotic medications, all citizens are at risk of abuse. God forbid a person should be eccentric, or dress Goth style, whatever -- persons with this power can give you The Label!! > > ~Rita > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Absolutely Rita. Re: mental illness > > > In a message dated 2/6/01 12:45:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, dixie@f... > > writes: > > > > > ... if Tommy is against any forced meds of any type, even if some of > > those people will commit murders---if he believes the freedom to refuse > > medications trumps all other considerations, even those of the lives and > > safety of other people ... > > > > Dixie~ > > > > I have enjoyed much of your commentary on history and understanding of events > > from this viewpoint. I do not think that you have correct information about > > schizophrenics or about findings from psychology, social work , or > > psychiatry. Schizophrenics are for the most part not dangerous. Because you > > have had a traumatic experience with those not taking meds, I feel you are > > distorting information about those with mental disorders and what Tommy has > > been saying. Piper. > > ---------------- > > Yes. And interesting that Dixie completely avoids addressing Tommy's question about who gets to decide what constitutes " a danger to society " or " a risk of violence " ?? The big problem with forced medication and forced " treatment " of any kind is the potential for abuse by those who are given the power to do such labeling and assessments for " compliance " . I know, because I've been through it (in regard to " addiction treatment " ). I was labeled " a danger to the public " and not allowed to work for 7 1/2 months, despite the fact that I had an excellent, award-winning 17-yar work history. The persons doing the labeling and forcing employees into " addiction treatment " simply sat back smugly and said, " This is our Professional Opinion " . And I was told I was " unfit for duty " for as long as I remained " non-compliant with treatment " by rejecting 12-step ideology and " disease " labels. > > If people like that are given the power to label someone " mentally ill " and force them to take dangerous anti-psychotic medications, all citizens are at risk of abuse. God forbid a person should be eccentric, or dress Goth style, whatever -- persons with this power can give you The Label!! > > ~Rita > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 I don't know about the rest of you, but I think Tommy is expendable in the pursuit of women. > > > mental illness > > > > >Tommy may think that women are expendable in the quest to allow insane > > >people to live drug-free, but I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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