Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Can you quote that law? Mike > > > > Sounds like a bunch of " ticket " happy cops to me. But > > it would be interesting to see who one of these would > > stand up in court. > > If it were taken to court by even the most incompetent attorney, it would > not hold up at all. State law exempts emergency vehicles from adherence to > traffic control and parking control devices, therefore their silly signs do > not apply. Of course, this is only if you are on an EMERGENCY call. > Transfer jocks are fair game. But then, transfer jocks shouldn't be taking > up valuable dock space in the first place. > > Rob > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 But not posted signage. There's not a specifically crafted exception to that. Not that *I'd* write that ticket, but they must be under some pretty severe pressure to broach the subject... Mike > > In a message dated 11/1/04 6:22:23 PM Central Standard Time, > > > paramedicop@... writes: > > There's no exemption. The exemption is for driving the wrong way down > the street or otherwise illegal " movements. " > > Mike > > > > > > Just for information. Let them give you a ticket. Take it to the judge. He > > should dismiss it on the grounds of being an emergency vehicle. Would the > LE > > folks care to comment on this? > > > > Danny L. > > Owner/NREMT-P > > Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response > > (PETSAR) > > Office > > FAX > > > The law is in the Texas Vehicle laws under Emergency Vehicle Operation. Not > sure of the exact code number. It is actually in a couple of places there > referring to standing, stopping, and exceeding the speed limit. > > > > Danny L. > Owner/NREMT-P > Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response > (PETSAR) > Office > FAX > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 But not posted signage. There's not a specifically crafted exception to that. Not that *I'd* write that ticket, but they must be under some pretty severe pressure to broach the subject... Mike > > In a message dated 11/1/04 6:22:23 PM Central Standard Time, > > > paramedicop@... writes: > > There's no exemption. The exemption is for driving the wrong way down > the street or otherwise illegal " movements. " > > Mike > > > > > > Just for information. Let them give you a ticket. Take it to the judge. He > > should dismiss it on the grounds of being an emergency vehicle. Would the > LE > > folks care to comment on this? > > > > Danny L. > > Owner/NREMT-P > > Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response > > (PETSAR) > > Office > > FAX > > > The law is in the Texas Vehicle laws under Emergency Vehicle Operation. Not > sure of the exact code number. It is actually in a couple of places there > referring to standing, stopping, and exceeding the speed limit. > > > > Danny L. > Owner/NREMT-P > Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response > (PETSAR) > Office > FAX > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 But not posted signage. There's not a specifically crafted exception to that. Not that *I'd* write that ticket, but they must be under some pretty severe pressure to broach the subject... Mike > > In a message dated 11/1/04 6:22:23 PM Central Standard Time, > > > paramedicop@... writes: > > There's no exemption. The exemption is for driving the wrong way down > the street or otherwise illegal " movements. " > > Mike > > > > > > Just for information. Let them give you a ticket. Take it to the judge. He > > should dismiss it on the grounds of being an emergency vehicle. Would the > LE > > folks care to comment on this? > > > > Danny L. > > Owner/NREMT-P > > Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response > > (PETSAR) > > Office > > FAX > > > The law is in the Texas Vehicle laws under Emergency Vehicle Operation. Not > sure of the exact code number. It is actually in a couple of places there > referring to standing, stopping, and exceeding the speed limit. > > > > Danny L. > Owner/NREMT-P > Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response > (PETSAR) > Office > FAX > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 I pulled up some of the Texas Transportation Code regarding emergency vehicles. I searched the Code and these statutes are some of the ones that could be applied to this situation: To back up what JPS Police is trying to enforce: §546.005. Duty of care. This chapter does not relieve the operator of an authorized emergency vehicle from: (1) the duty to operate the vehicle with appropriate regard for the safety of all persons; or (2) the consequences of reckless disregard for the safety of others. (Added by L.1995, chap. 165(1), eff. 9/1/95.) In defense to what they are trying to enforce: §684.011. Prohibition against unattended vehicles in certain areas. (a) The owner or operator of a vehicle may not leave unattended on a parking facility a vehicle that: (1) is in or obstructs a vehicular traffic aisle, entry, or exit of the parking facility; (2) prevents a vehicle from exiting a parking space in the facility; (3) is in or obstructs a fire lane marked according to Subsection ©; or (4) does not display the special license plates issued under Section 502.253 or the disabled parking placard issued under Chapter 681 for a vehicle transporting a disabled person and is in a parking space that is designated for the exclusive use of a vehicle transporting a disabled person. ( Subsection (a) does not apply to an emergency vehicle that is owned by, or the operation of which is authorized by, a governmental entity. © If a government regulation governing the marking of a fire lane applies to a parking facility, a fire lane in the facility must be marked as provided by the regulation. If a government regulation on the marking of a fire lane does not apply to the parking facility, all curbs of fire lanes must be painted red and be conspicuously and legibly marked with the warning " FIRE LANE - TOW AWAY ZONE " in white letters at least three inches tall, at intervals not exceeding 50 feet. (Added by L.1995, chap. 165(1), eff. 9/1/95.) Sometimes being a cop has it perks..... D. Stone Mike wrote: Until they can't locate a driver and impound your rig. Mike > > The JPS cops are going to have to find out who was driving the vehicle. This isn't like a parking ticket that you leave on the windshield. And if any JPS cops ask if you were driving, you don't have to answer... > > Wes Ogilvie, EMT-B, JD > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 I pulled up some of the Texas Transportation Code regarding emergency vehicles. I searched the Code and these statutes are some of the ones that could be applied to this situation: To back up what JPS Police is trying to enforce: §546.005. Duty of care. This chapter does not relieve the operator of an authorized emergency vehicle from: (1) the duty to operate the vehicle with appropriate regard for the safety of all persons; or (2) the consequences of reckless disregard for the safety of others. (Added by L.1995, chap. 165(1), eff. 9/1/95.) In defense to what they are trying to enforce: §684.011. Prohibition against unattended vehicles in certain areas. (a) The owner or operator of a vehicle may not leave unattended on a parking facility a vehicle that: (1) is in or obstructs a vehicular traffic aisle, entry, or exit of the parking facility; (2) prevents a vehicle from exiting a parking space in the facility; (3) is in or obstructs a fire lane marked according to Subsection ©; or (4) does not display the special license plates issued under Section 502.253 or the disabled parking placard issued under Chapter 681 for a vehicle transporting a disabled person and is in a parking space that is designated for the exclusive use of a vehicle transporting a disabled person. ( Subsection (a) does not apply to an emergency vehicle that is owned by, or the operation of which is authorized by, a governmental entity. © If a government regulation governing the marking of a fire lane applies to a parking facility, a fire lane in the facility must be marked as provided by the regulation. If a government regulation on the marking of a fire lane does not apply to the parking facility, all curbs of fire lanes must be painted red and be conspicuously and legibly marked with the warning " FIRE LANE - TOW AWAY ZONE " in white letters at least three inches tall, at intervals not exceeding 50 feet. (Added by L.1995, chap. 165(1), eff. 9/1/95.) Sometimes being a cop has it perks..... D. Stone Mike wrote: Until they can't locate a driver and impound your rig. Mike > > The JPS cops are going to have to find out who was driving the vehicle. This isn't like a parking ticket that you leave on the windshield. And if any JPS cops ask if you were driving, you don't have to answer... > > Wes Ogilvie, EMT-B, JD > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 I pulled up some of the Texas Transportation Code regarding emergency vehicles. I searched the Code and these statutes are some of the ones that could be applied to this situation: To back up what JPS Police is trying to enforce: §546.005. Duty of care. This chapter does not relieve the operator of an authorized emergency vehicle from: (1) the duty to operate the vehicle with appropriate regard for the safety of all persons; or (2) the consequences of reckless disregard for the safety of others. (Added by L.1995, chap. 165(1), eff. 9/1/95.) In defense to what they are trying to enforce: §684.011. Prohibition against unattended vehicles in certain areas. (a) The owner or operator of a vehicle may not leave unattended on a parking facility a vehicle that: (1) is in or obstructs a vehicular traffic aisle, entry, or exit of the parking facility; (2) prevents a vehicle from exiting a parking space in the facility; (3) is in or obstructs a fire lane marked according to Subsection ©; or (4) does not display the special license plates issued under Section 502.253 or the disabled parking placard issued under Chapter 681 for a vehicle transporting a disabled person and is in a parking space that is designated for the exclusive use of a vehicle transporting a disabled person. ( Subsection (a) does not apply to an emergency vehicle that is owned by, or the operation of which is authorized by, a governmental entity. © If a government regulation governing the marking of a fire lane applies to a parking facility, a fire lane in the facility must be marked as provided by the regulation. If a government regulation on the marking of a fire lane does not apply to the parking facility, all curbs of fire lanes must be painted red and be conspicuously and legibly marked with the warning " FIRE LANE - TOW AWAY ZONE " in white letters at least three inches tall, at intervals not exceeding 50 feet. (Added by L.1995, chap. 165(1), eff. 9/1/95.) Sometimes being a cop has it perks..... D. Stone Mike wrote: Until they can't locate a driver and impound your rig. Mike > > The JPS cops are going to have to find out who was driving the vehicle. This isn't like a parking ticket that you leave on the windshield. And if any JPS cops ask if you were driving, you don't have to answer... > > Wes Ogilvie, EMT-B, JD > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 > > You need to look at the laws, emergency vehicles are not exempt to all > traffic control and parking control laws. Well, I must admit that you made me worry for a moment that the law might have changed since I left law enforcement, having finished the academy over twenty years ago. But a very quick review of the Transportation Code reveals that I am right, as usual. From: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/tn.toc.htm CHAPTER 546. OPERATION OF AUTHORIZED EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND CERTAIN OTHER VEHICLES Subchapter A: Authorized Emergency Vehicles § 546.001. PERMISSIBLE CONDUCT. In operating an authorized emergency vehicle the operator may: (1) park or stand, irrespective of another provision of this subtitle;*END QUOTE*Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 > > You need to look at the laws, emergency vehicles are not exempt to all > traffic control and parking control laws. Well, I must admit that you made me worry for a moment that the law might have changed since I left law enforcement, having finished the academy over twenty years ago. But a very quick review of the Transportation Code reveals that I am right, as usual. From: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/tn.toc.htm CHAPTER 546. OPERATION OF AUTHORIZED EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND CERTAIN OTHER VEHICLES Subchapter A: Authorized Emergency Vehicles § 546.001. PERMISSIBLE CONDUCT. In operating an authorized emergency vehicle the operator may: (1) park or stand, irrespective of another provision of this subtitle;*END QUOTE*Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 > > You need to look at the laws, emergency vehicles are not exempt to all > traffic control and parking control laws. Well, I must admit that you made me worry for a moment that the law might have changed since I left law enforcement, having finished the academy over twenty years ago. But a very quick review of the Transportation Code reveals that I am right, as usual. From: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/tn.toc.htm CHAPTER 546. OPERATION OF AUTHORIZED EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND CERTAIN OTHER VEHICLES Subchapter A: Authorized Emergency Vehicles § 546.001. PERMISSIBLE CONDUCT. In operating an authorized emergency vehicle the operator may: (1) park or stand, irrespective of another provision of this subtitle;*END QUOTE*Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Hopefully this will be the last word, for now, on the JPS Ticket issue. I contacted JPS directly. Please see the response from the Chief of the Tarrant Co. Hospital District police below: Just this morning I instructed the Supervisor's to inform the officers that they should use restraint in writing parking citations for any violation other than fire lanes and handicap offenses. This is mainly due to the limited parking space problems. However specifically with regard to this, I will take care of it and no such citations will be issued. If there is a problem with carbon monoxide from the ambulances (which I have not heard before), then we can address it through more practical administrative avenues. Please rest assured that I will make sure to find out who made such a statement and resolve the problem. Sorry, that was an unprofessional statement for any officer to make, but I will have it resolved by our next meeting. - Lilly Chief, Tarrant County Hospital District Police Dinah S. Welsh Director, State Affairs Texas Hospital Association 512/465-1043 direct line 512/465-1090 fax Re: Tickets at JPS > Sounds like a bunch of " ticket " happy cops to me. But > it would be interesting to see who one of these would > stand up in court. If it were taken to court by even the most incompetent attorney, it would not hold up at all. State law exempts emergency vehicles from adherence to traffic control and parking control devices, therefore their silly signs do not apply. Of course, this is only if you are on an EMERGENCY call. Transfer jocks are fair game. But then, transfer jocks shouldn't be taking up valuable dock space in the first place. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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