Re: Tickets at JPS

October 31, 2004

Have they actively tried to " warn " people (something other than a sign)? I work

at a county service and have gone there on ocassion and haven't ever been told

by any police officer to turn our engines off. I usually do, but I have let it

running. If they are just trying to make a point, I can see people transporting

to another facility that isn't so " ticket happy " . Come on, lets try an

alternative than writing tickets to people who really don't make that much money

anyway. Plus, who gets the ticket...how does the officer know who was actually

driving??

D. Stone

Randy wrote:

I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday

night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance

bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. They are

using the following law: Texas Penal Code

§ 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

not leave the vehicle unattended without:

(1) stopping the

engine;

(2) locking the

ignition;

(3) removing the key from the

ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively;

and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels

to

the curb or side of the highway.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.

The reason for enforcing this law is because the hospital says that

the diesel fumes are going up into the ICU which is directly above

the ambulance parking

October 31, 2004

I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer.

There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage

or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to

write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme.

Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief

North Blanco County EMS

City, Texas

Randy wrote:

I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday

night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance

bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police.

October 31, 2004

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure somebody will, but I seem to remember a

sign in the ambulance bay at JPS telling you to shut your engines off. I also

remember from my Medstar days that we were asked by our supervisors to shut our

engines off while in the bay, therefore people would park just outside the

awning so they could keep their truck running. Anyone remember different?

Ken

RE: Tickets at JPS

I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer.

There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage

or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to

write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme.

Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief

North Blanco County EMS

City, Texas

Randy wrote:

I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday

night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance

bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police.

October 31, 2004

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure somebody will, but I seem to remember a

sign in the ambulance bay at JPS telling you to shut your engines off. I also

remember from my Medstar days that we were asked by our supervisors to shut our

engines off while in the bay, therefore people would park just outside the

awning so they could keep their truck running. Anyone remember different?

Ken

RE: Tickets at JPS

I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer.

There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage

or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to

write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme.

Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief

North Blanco County EMS

City, Texas

Randy wrote:

I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday

night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance

bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police.

October 31, 2004

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure somebody will, but I seem to remember a

sign in the ambulance bay at JPS telling you to shut your engines off. I also

remember from my Medstar days that we were asked by our supervisors to shut our

engines off while in the bay, therefore people would park just outside the

awning so they could keep their truck running. Anyone remember different?

Ken

RE: Tickets at JPS

I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer.

There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage

or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to

write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme.

Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief

North Blanco County EMS

City, Texas

Randy wrote:

I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday

night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance

bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police.

October 31, 2004

Nope, that is the way I recall it, both from working in the ER at JPS and the

streets at Medstar.

RE: Tickets at JPS

I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer.

There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage

or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to

write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme.

Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief

North Blanco County EMS

City, Texas

Randy wrote:

I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday

night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance

bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police.

October 31, 2004

Parkland is the same way, but I've never heard of anyone getting a ticket for

it!!

Red

RE: Tickets at JPS

I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer.

There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage

or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to

write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme.

Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief

North Blanco County EMS

City, Texas

Randy wrote:

I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday

night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance

bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police.

October 31, 2004

Parkland is the same way, but I've never heard of anyone getting a ticket for

it!!

Red

RE: Tickets at JPS

I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer.

There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage

or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to

write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme.

Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief

North Blanco County EMS

City, Texas

Randy wrote:

I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday

night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance

bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police.

October 31, 2004

See if he turns his vehicle off while he's out of it writing you your

ticket. If not, he's guilty of the same thing. Then again, so are

the firefighters who leave their trucks to go into burning buildings

(the engine has to be running to pump), and the police officers who

leave their cars running when they go to emergencies, etc.

Medstar should ask the hospital to sign a blanket waiver stating that

JPS assumes responsibility for any drugs found to be less effective

due to temperature extremes related to MICU's not being able to

regulate their temperatures while parked at JPS. That ought to wake

up the lawyers.

JPS also needs to invest in a simple exhaust filter/revoery system, or

better ventilation.

<I'm in an evil thought mood tonight, I lost an acquaintance to a LODD

death in Austin this week.>

Mike

>

> I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday

> night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance

> bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. They are

> using the following law: Texas Penal Code

>

> § 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

> not leave the vehicle unattended without:

> (1) stopping the

> engine;

> (2) locking the

> ignition;

> (3) removing the key from the

> ignition;

> (4) setting the parking brake effectively;

> and

> (5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels

> to

> the curb or side of the highway.

>

> Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.

>

> The reason for enforcing this law is because the hospital says that

> the diesel fumes are going up into the ICU which is directly above

> the ambulance parking

>

October 31, 2004

See if he turns his vehicle off while he's out of it writing you your

ticket. If not, he's guilty of the same thing. Then again, so are

the firefighters who leave their trucks to go into burning buildings

(the engine has to be running to pump), and the police officers who

leave their cars running when they go to emergencies, etc.

Medstar should ask the hospital to sign a blanket waiver stating that

JPS assumes responsibility for any drugs found to be less effective

due to temperature extremes related to MICU's not being able to

regulate their temperatures while parked at JPS. That ought to wake

up the lawyers.

JPS also needs to invest in a simple exhaust filter/revoery system, or

better ventilation.

<I'm in an evil thought mood tonight, I lost an acquaintance to a LODD

death in Austin this week.>

Mike

>

> I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday

> night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance

> bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. They are

> using the following law: Texas Penal Code

>

> § 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may

> not leave the vehicle unattended without:

> (1) stopping the

> engine;

> (2) locking the

> ignition;

> (3) removing the key from the

> ignition;

> (4) setting the parking brake effectively;

> and

> (5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels

> to

> the curb or side of the highway.

>

> Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.

>

> The reason for enforcing this law is because the hospital says that

> the diesel fumes are going up into the ICU which is directly above

> the ambulance parking

>

November 1, 2004

Just for information. Let them give you a ticket. Take it to the judge. He

should dismiss it on the grounds of being an emergency vehicle. Would the LE

folks care to comment on this?

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response

(PETSAR)

Office

FAX

November 1, 2004

Just for information. Let them give you a ticket. Take it to the judge. He

should dismiss it on the grounds of being an emergency vehicle. Would the LE

folks care to comment on this?

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response

(PETSAR)

Office

FAX

November 1, 2004

Medstar's trucks have a safety switch which allows you to take the key out of

the ignition with the truck still running and then you can lock the doors.

When the brake is pushed before the key is placed back in the ignition the truck

will die. That should take the wind out of there sails.

November 1, 2004

Ken,

You are correct. There is a sign posted, as well, our Supervisors have received

phone calls from Tarrant County Hospital District Police personnel requesting

that we remind the crews to shut the engines off. Each time, they have been very

professional and polite. I can understand their frustration, though. I was

contacted in the office on Friday and asked, again, if we could remind our crews

to shut the engines off. We have it in our SOP's to shut the trucks off while

parked under Hospital ER bays. I understand the drug adulteration concerns;

however, there are other methods of maintaining proper medication temperatures.

It has also been my experience that while in the back of the ambulance, in the

middle of summer, keeping the truck running (allowing the A/C to stay running)

still doesn't keep the drugs within the proper range, though it does help some.

I am curious to read others' thoughts on how JPS Police could enforce this

policy without writing tickets. I think JPS PD is running out of honey....what

else should they try?

Macara

Re: Tickets at JPS

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure somebody will, but I seem to remember a

sign in the ambulance bay at JPS telling you to shut your engines off. I also

remember from my Medstar days that we were asked by our supervisors to shut our

engines off while in the bay, therefore people would park just outside the

awning so they could keep their truck running. Anyone remember different?

Ken

RE: Tickets at JPS

I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer.

There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage

or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to

write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme.

Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief

North Blanco County EMS

City, Texas

Randy wrote:

I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday

night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance

bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police.

November 1, 2004