Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Of course, another possible response could be to just turn your truck off when you pull into the bay. Kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Of course, another possible response could be to just turn your truck off when you pull into the bay. Kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Of course, another possible response could be to just turn your truck off when you pull into the bay. Kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Kenny is always one to look for the complicated solution. I was thinking in terms of lynching the architect, bribing the cops, or pretending not to speak anything but Farsi. BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Re: Tickets at JPS Of course, another possible response could be to just turn your truck off when you pull into the bay. Kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Kenny is always one to look for the complicated solution. I was thinking in terms of lynching the architect, bribing the cops, or pretending not to speak anything but Farsi. BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Re: Tickets at JPS Of course, another possible response could be to just turn your truck off when you pull into the bay. Kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Kenny is always one to look for the complicated solution. I was thinking in terms of lynching the architect, bribing the cops, or pretending not to speak anything but Farsi. BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Re: Tickets at JPS Of course, another possible response could be to just turn your truck off when you pull into the bay. Kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 In a message dated 11/1/04 6:22:23 PM Central Standard Time, paramedicop@... writes: There's no exemption. The exemption is for driving the wrong way down the street or otherwise illegal " movements. " Mike > > Just for information. Let them give you a ticket. Take it to the judge. He > should dismiss it on the grounds of being an emergency vehicle. Would the LE > folks care to comment on this? > > Danny L. > Owner/NREMT-P > Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response > (PETSAR) > Office > FAX The law is in the Texas Vehicle laws under Emergency Vehicle Operation. Not sure of the exact code number. It is actually in a couple of places there referring to standing, stopping, and exceeding the speed limit. Danny L. Owner/NREMT-P Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response (PETSAR) Office FAX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 In a message dated 11/1/04 6:22:23 PM Central Standard Time, paramedicop@... writes: There's no exemption. The exemption is for driving the wrong way down the street or otherwise illegal " movements. " Mike > > Just for information. Let them give you a ticket. Take it to the judge. He > should dismiss it on the grounds of being an emergency vehicle. Would the LE > folks care to comment on this? > > Danny L. > Owner/NREMT-P > Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response > (PETSAR) > Office > FAX The law is in the Texas Vehicle laws under Emergency Vehicle Operation. Not sure of the exact code number. It is actually in a couple of places there referring to standing, stopping, and exceeding the speed limit. Danny L. Owner/NREMT-P Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response (PETSAR) Office FAX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 In a message dated 11/1/04 6:22:23 PM Central Standard Time, paramedicop@... writes: There's no exemption. The exemption is for driving the wrong way down the street or otherwise illegal " movements. " Mike > > Just for information. Let them give you a ticket. Take it to the judge. He > should dismiss it on the grounds of being an emergency vehicle. Would the LE > folks care to comment on this? > > Danny L. > Owner/NREMT-P > Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response > (PETSAR) > Office > FAX The law is in the Texas Vehicle laws under Emergency Vehicle Operation. Not sure of the exact code number. It is actually in a couple of places there referring to standing, stopping, and exceeding the speed limit. Danny L. Owner/NREMT-P Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response (PETSAR) Office FAX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 In the immortal words " Why can't everybody just get along? " Danny L. Owner/NREMT-P Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response (PETSAR) Office FAX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 In the immortal words " Why can't everybody just get along? " Danny L. Owner/NREMT-P Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response (PETSAR) Office FAX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 In the immortal words " Why can't everybody just get along? " Danny L. Owner/NREMT-P Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response (PETSAR) Office FAX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 What about those of us who do not work for MedStar and go there on occasion? We don't get the " low down " that the guys get that work there on a regular basis. Would this really solve the problem, or cause a big " pissing match " ???? I understand that they probably have tried numerous times to warn people, but I personally have never been approached by anyone with the JPS Police Department in regards to my ambulance running in the bay area. One thing to remember....look at the area and the surroundings where JPS is located. I USUALLY turn off my ambulance and lock it so that when I come out of the ER I know it will still be there!!! D. Stone " Trusty, Macara " wrote: Ken, You are correct. There is a sign posted, as well, our Supervisors have received phone calls from Tarrant County Hospital District Police personnel requesting that we remind the crews to shut the engines off. Each time, they have been very professional and polite. I can understand their frustration, though. I was contacted in the office on Friday and asked, again, if we could remind our crews to shut the engines off. We have it in our SOP's to shut the trucks off while parked under Hospital ER bays. I understand the drug adulteration concerns; however, there are other methods of maintaining proper medication temperatures. It has also been my experience that while in the back of the ambulance, in the middle of summer, keeping the truck running (allowing the A/C to stay running) still doesn't keep the drugs within the proper range, though it does help some. I am curious to read others' thoughts on how JPS Police could enforce this policy without writing tickets. I think JPS PD is running out of honey....what else should they try? Macara Re: Tickets at JPS Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure somebody will, but I seem to remember a sign in the ambulance bay at JPS telling you to shut your engines off. I also remember from my Medstar days that we were asked by our supervisors to shut our engines off while in the bay, therefore people would park just outside the awning so they could keep their truck running. Anyone remember different? Ken RE: Tickets at JPS I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer. There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme. Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief North Blanco County EMS City, Texas Randy wrote: I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 What about those of us who do not work for MedStar and go there on occasion? We don't get the " low down " that the guys get that work there on a regular basis. Would this really solve the problem, or cause a big " pissing match " ???? I understand that they probably have tried numerous times to warn people, but I personally have never been approached by anyone with the JPS Police Department in regards to my ambulance running in the bay area. One thing to remember....look at the area and the surroundings where JPS is located. I USUALLY turn off my ambulance and lock it so that when I come out of the ER I know it will still be there!!! D. Stone " Trusty, Macara " wrote: Ken, You are correct. There is a sign posted, as well, our Supervisors have received phone calls from Tarrant County Hospital District Police personnel requesting that we remind the crews to shut the engines off. Each time, they have been very professional and polite. I can understand their frustration, though. I was contacted in the office on Friday and asked, again, if we could remind our crews to shut the engines off. We have it in our SOP's to shut the trucks off while parked under Hospital ER bays. I understand the drug adulteration concerns; however, there are other methods of maintaining proper medication temperatures. It has also been my experience that while in the back of the ambulance, in the middle of summer, keeping the truck running (allowing the A/C to stay running) still doesn't keep the drugs within the proper range, though it does help some. I am curious to read others' thoughts on how JPS Police could enforce this policy without writing tickets. I think JPS PD is running out of honey....what else should they try? Macara Re: Tickets at JPS Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure somebody will, but I seem to remember a sign in the ambulance bay at JPS telling you to shut your engines off. I also remember from my Medstar days that we were asked by our supervisors to shut our engines off while in the bay, therefore people would park just outside the awning so they could keep their truck running. Anyone remember different? Ken RE: Tickets at JPS I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer. There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme. Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief North Blanco County EMS City, Texas Randy wrote: I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 What about those of us who do not work for MedStar and go there on occasion? We don't get the " low down " that the guys get that work there on a regular basis. Would this really solve the problem, or cause a big " pissing match " ???? I understand that they probably have tried numerous times to warn people, but I personally have never been approached by anyone with the JPS Police Department in regards to my ambulance running in the bay area. One thing to remember....look at the area and the surroundings where JPS is located. I USUALLY turn off my ambulance and lock it so that when I come out of the ER I know it will still be there!!! D. Stone " Trusty, Macara " wrote: Ken, You are correct. There is a sign posted, as well, our Supervisors have received phone calls from Tarrant County Hospital District Police personnel requesting that we remind the crews to shut the engines off. Each time, they have been very professional and polite. I can understand their frustration, though. I was contacted in the office on Friday and asked, again, if we could remind our crews to shut the engines off. We have it in our SOP's to shut the trucks off while parked under Hospital ER bays. I understand the drug adulteration concerns; however, there are other methods of maintaining proper medication temperatures. It has also been my experience that while in the back of the ambulance, in the middle of summer, keeping the truck running (allowing the A/C to stay running) still doesn't keep the drugs within the proper range, though it does help some. I am curious to read others' thoughts on how JPS Police could enforce this policy without writing tickets. I think JPS PD is running out of honey....what else should they try? Macara Re: Tickets at JPS Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure somebody will, but I seem to remember a sign in the ambulance bay at JPS telling you to shut your engines off. I also remember from my Medstar days that we were asked by our supervisors to shut our engines off while in the bay, therefore people would park just outside the awning so they could keep their truck running. Anyone remember different? Ken RE: Tickets at JPS I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer. There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme. Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief North Blanco County EMS City, Texas Randy wrote: I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 There's no exemption. The exemption is for driving the wrong way down the street or otherwise illegal " movements. " Mike > > Just for information. Let them give you a ticket. Take it to the judge. He > should dismiss it on the grounds of being an emergency vehicle. Would the LE > folks care to comment on this? > > Danny L. > Owner/NREMT-P > Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response > (PETSAR) > Office > FAX > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 There's no exemption. The exemption is for driving the wrong way down the street or otherwise illegal " movements. " Mike > > Just for information. Let them give you a ticket. Take it to the judge. He > should dismiss it on the grounds of being an emergency vehicle. Would the LE > folks care to comment on this? > > Danny L. > Owner/NREMT-P > Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response > (PETSAR) > Office > FAX > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 There's no exemption. The exemption is for driving the wrong way down the street or otherwise illegal " movements. " Mike > > Just for information. Let them give you a ticket. Take it to the judge. He > should dismiss it on the grounds of being an emergency vehicle. Would the LE > folks care to comment on this? > > Danny L. > Owner/NREMT-P > Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response > (PETSAR) > Office > FAX > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 > Sounds like a bunch of " ticket " happy cops to me. But > it would be interesting to see who one of these would > stand up in court. Hospital cops are want to be's > just like university/college cops in my opinion. You'd be pretty wrong. I can attest to the professionalism of several university agencies here in Austin and several in San . For what it's worth, they deal with a more concentrated version of " real crimes " - drugs, intoxicated persons, assaults, criminal mischief, theft, etc. Under CCP 2.12, they're peace officers like all the rest of us. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 > Sounds like a bunch of " ticket " happy cops to me. But > it would be interesting to see who one of these would > stand up in court. Hospital cops are want to be's > just like university/college cops in my opinion. You'd be pretty wrong. I can attest to the professionalism of several university agencies here in Austin and several in San . For what it's worth, they deal with a more concentrated version of " real crimes " - drugs, intoxicated persons, assaults, criminal mischief, theft, etc. Under CCP 2.12, they're peace officers like all the rest of us. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 > Sounds like a bunch of " ticket " happy cops to me. But > it would be interesting to see who one of these would > stand up in court. Hospital cops are want to be's > just like university/college cops in my opinion. You'd be pretty wrong. I can attest to the professionalism of several university agencies here in Austin and several in San . For what it's worth, they deal with a more concentrated version of " real crimes " - drugs, intoxicated persons, assaults, criminal mischief, theft, etc. Under CCP 2.12, they're peace officers like all the rest of us. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Until they can't locate a driver and impound your rig. Mike > > The JPS cops are going to have to find out who was driving the vehicle. This isn't like a parking ticket that you leave on the windshield. And if any JPS cops ask if you were driving, you don't have to answer... > > Wes Ogilvie, EMT-B, JD > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Until they can't locate a driver and impound your rig. Mike > > The JPS cops are going to have to find out who was driving the vehicle. This isn't like a parking ticket that you leave on the windshield. And if any JPS cops ask if you were driving, you don't have to answer... > > Wes Ogilvie, EMT-B, JD > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Can you quote that law? Mike > > > > Sounds like a bunch of " ticket " happy cops to me. But > > it would be interesting to see who one of these would > > stand up in court. > > If it were taken to court by even the most incompetent attorney, it would > not hold up at all. State law exempts emergency vehicles from adherence to > traffic control and parking control devices, therefore their silly signs do > not apply. Of course, this is only if you are on an EMERGENCY call. > Transfer jocks are fair game. But then, transfer jocks shouldn't be taking > up valuable dock space in the first place. > > Rob > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Can you quote that law? Mike > > > > Sounds like a bunch of " ticket " happy cops to me. But > > it would be interesting to see who one of these would > > stand up in court. > > If it were taken to court by even the most incompetent attorney, it would > not hold up at all. State law exempts emergency vehicles from adherence to > traffic control and parking control devices, therefore their silly signs do > not apply. Of course, this is only if you are on an EMERGENCY call. > Transfer jocks are fair game. But then, transfer jocks shouldn't be taking > up valuable dock space in the first place. > > Rob > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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